Propping up clubs.

[Booney]

With the new TV deal ensuring 8 games each and every week,the AFL must have 16 clubs operating.This means several clubs which have and will continue to struggle on a financial basis will be for ever having money poured into them by the AFL.This is my question.

With the clubs knowing this is the case poor management could become the "norm" for these teams,like the Kangaroos,Carlton,Bulldogs.I am not suggesting that any of them would deliberatly perform poorly off the field,but the managment does not have to exceed in any areas to look good.I am sure the AFL would set guide lines a KPI's for the clubs to achieve,but what if they dont meet this criteria,what would the AFL do?

[Magpiespower]

AFL - The welfare state.

[MightyEagles]

It'll be mostly the clubs in Victoria who will need hand outs. I can't see the SA, WA, Sydney and Brisbane needing hand outs any time in the near future, do you?

[Booney]

No I dont see any non-Victorian based clubs needing a hand out.But that aint my question.

[Leaping Lindner]

With the new TV deal ensuring 8 games each and every week,the AFL must have 16 clubs operating.This means several clubs which have and will continue to struggle on a financial basis will be for ever having money poured into them by the AFL.This is my question.

With the clubs knowing this is the case poor management could become the "norm" for these teams,like the Kangaroos,Carlton,Bulldogs.I am not suggesting that any of them would deliberatly perform poorly off the field,but the managment does not have to exceed in any areas to look good.I am sure the AFL would set guide lines a KPI's for the clubs to achieve,but what if they dont meet this criteria,what would the AFL do?

Good point. It certainly takes the urgency out of having to perform financially.Whilst this is the situation with the TV deal you'd imagine that no AFL clubs would merge or fold,BUT the AFL could put a lot of pressure for a club to relocate to QLD or NSW. I think that scenario is highly likely.
FWIW Sydney were propped up financially by the AFL for years simply to ensure a better TV deal.

[doggies4eva]

With the new TV deal ensuring 8 games each and every week,the AFL must have 16 clubs operating.This means several clubs which have and will continue to struggle on a financial basis will be for ever having money poured into them by the AFL.This is my question.

With the clubs knowing this is the case poor management could become the "norm" for these teams,like the Kangaroos,Carlton,Bulldogs.I am not suggesting that any of them would deliberatly perform poorly off the field,but the managment does not have to exceed in any areas to look good.I am sure the AFL would set guide lines a KPI's for the clubs to achieve,but what if they dont meet this criteria,what would the AFL do?

I thought poor management was the norm for most of these clubs

[stan]

With the new TV deal ensuring 8 games each and every week,the AFL must have 16 clubs operating.This means several clubs which have and will continue to struggle on a financial basis will be for ever having money poured into them by the AFL.This is my question.

With the clubs knowing this is the case poor management could become the "norm" for these teams,like the Kangaroos,Carlton,Bulldogs.I am not suggesting that any of them would deliberatly perform poorly off the field,but the managment does not have to exceed in any areas to look good.I am sure the AFL would set guide lines a KPI's for the clubs to achieve,but what if they dont meet this criteria,what would the AFL do?

I thought poor management was the norm for most of these clubs

It seems to be. All the time with these guys. Its a simple practice dont spend more than you make......

[sydney-dog]

i just find it laughable that some of these melbourne base clubs don't chut up in regards to the concessions given to both the swans and lions but over the past 10 years at least 4 or 5 Melbourne based clubs have received financial assistance from the AFL

[Ian]

Let them die a natural death, the number of clubs in Vic. (paticullary Melbourne) needs to be reduced, and dont just move them interstate, ideally the comp would have no more than 12 teams, and go back to one home and one away game against each other,
Let the scum die.

[sydney-dog]

Not to mention that before the AFL got revenue from the TV rights deal they used the licence fee that both SA and WA based AFL clubs had to pay was used to top up some of the struggling AFL Clubs

[RustyCage]

Let them die a natural death, the number of clubs in Vic. (paticullary Melbourne) needs to be reduced, and dont just move them interstate, ideally the comp would have no more than 12 teams, and go back to one home and one away game against each other,
Let the scum die.

I agree, get rid of the Crows.

[Ian]

Let them die a natural death, the number of clubs in Vic. (paticullary Melbourne) needs to be reduced, and dont just move them interstate, ideally the comp would have no more than 12 teams, and go back to one home and one away game against each other,
Let the scum die.

I agree, get rid of the Crows.

Starting to get sick of losing show downs are we?

[sydney-dog]

Ian, no it's because they struggle to grow their minority supporter base so if the crows died they would be hoping that they could grab their share of the crows 50,000 membership base

[Strawb]

The ideal league is 14 teams and here goes
Geelong
Melbourne
Essendon
Collingwood
Carlton
Hawthorn (in Tasmania or still in Melborune.)
Western Bulldogs
Adelaide
Sydney
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
West Coast
Fremantle
Kangaroos (In Canberra or Gold Coast.)
Why not Richmond or St. Kilda
My reasons are for not those to clubs are
Richmond has alot of problems with money amnd they are inner city Melbourne.
St. Kilda are just a plain Joke they should have been kicked out many years ago.
Why I chose Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn
Doggies because you need a Western Suburbs team in Melbourne.
Hawthorn Eastern Suburbs of melbourne and you need to keep these two clubs to keep supporters in the AFL.

[RustyCage]

Let them die a natural death, the number of clubs in Vic. (paticullary Melbourne) needs to be reduced, and dont just move them interstate, ideally the comp would have no more than 12 teams, and go back to one home and one away game against each other,
Let the scum die.

I agree, get rid of the Crows.

Starting to get sick of losing show downs are we?

No, I just hate people saying they should get rid of some clubs. How would you feel if your club was just left to die off without any help from the AFL?

[mick]

After the woeful performance of one Adelaide club today and the ugly footy played by the other, I can't understand why people would pay top dollar to watch this crap.

[Ian]

No, I just hate people saying they should get rid of some clubs. How would you feel if your club was just left to die off without any help from the AFL?

Yeh, I'd probablly be upset, only if it was North adelaide, to me the AFL is only secondary, but yes people with the same passion for an AFL club would be upset, but......

Why should the AFL prop up a club at the expebse of the other teams? Surely they should be able to make enough money to survive comfortably, if not that just proves my point, there are too many sides in Melbourne, like it or not thats the way it is, and yes, the AFL should take most of the blame. When the then VFL decided to expand into other states, they should have done one of two things,

Left the VFL as it was, and call tenders for the AFL licences (max 12), if you couldn't afford it, you stayed where you were.

or

Convinced the SANFL and WAFL to ammalgamate with them making a 3 (10 team each) division compitition with relegation and promotion.
You would have had no Power, and no Crows, but you would have had 9 (or 10) sides based in SA that already had a supporter base that was genuinlly passionate about their club, some would have ended up in div. 1, some in div 2, and some in div 3, as would have the other states.

.......but alas, they gread of the VFL saw them want it all to themselves and they created a monster that has lost touch, let all 16 clubs sink for all I care. (and the real footy can take over )

[mick]

No, I just hate people saying they should get rid of some clubs. How would you feel if your club was just left to die off without any help from the AFL?

Yeh, I'd probablly be upset, only if it was North adelaide, to me the AFL is only secondary, but yes people with the same passion for an AFL club would be upset, but......

Why should the AFL prop up a club at the expebse of the other teams? Surely they should be able to make enough money to survive comfortably, if not that just proves my point, there are too many sides in Melbourne, like it or not thats the way it is, and yes, the AFL should take most of the blame. When the then VFL decided to expand into other states, they should have done one of two things,

Left the VFL as it was, and call tenders for the AFL licences (max 12), if you couldn't afford it, you stayed where you were.

or

Convinced the SANFL and WAFL to ammalgamate with them making a 3 (10 team each) division compitition with relegation and promotion.
You would have had no Power, and no Crows, but you would have had 9 (or 10) sides based in SA that already had a supporter base that was genuinlly passionate about their club, some would have ended up in div. 1, some in div 2, and some in div 3, as would have the other states.

.......but alas, they gread of the VFL saw them want it all to themselves and they created a monster that has lost touch, let all 16 clubs sink for all I care. (and the real footy can take over )

Great Post Ian

[doggies4eva]

12 clubs works for me - 11 home and away games so a fair 22 game season + finals.

I wouldn't let any clubs die but create a second division drop the bottom 4 clubs, invite 4 new clubs in with preference to the regions not covered - Tassie and Canberra. Second division would have a lower salary cap, lower entry fees and support from the AFL to get it going. This would have 3 rounds - ie 21 game season (everyone plays each other 3 times) plus finals. At the end of the year Div 2 top plays Div 1 bottom for the chance to be promoted.