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amber_fluid wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Dutchy wrote:People think the game is over umpired these days? Check this out

I'd imagine a lot more frees were paid back in the day as a result of there only being one umpire.

Plus back then you had to actually hand ball the ball and not throw it.

And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

Dutchy wrote:

DOC wrote:Nice one.

Was not aware that stats were kept then for frees.

Why wouldn't have they been?

From memory (and a fading one), I don't recall many stats kept prior to the mid 70's for such things. Possible that I was just not aware of them.

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

The idea is not to take possession off the ball if youre under immense pressure, keep the ball moving, all too often players take possession knowing they will be tackled and the umpire will ball it up.
Your comment makes no sense, how many tackles were there back in the 70's and 80's? i recall something about 25 a game per team tops. Of course players would be required to stay ahead of the play if this was the case.

Don't take possession if under pressure? WTF?

Go back to worrying about shit that doesn't happen and stop trying to screw our game up more.

daysofourlives wrote:

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

The idea is not to take possession off the ball if youre under immense pressure, keep the ball moving, all too often players take possession knowing they will be tackled and the umpire will ball it up.
Your comment makes no sense, how many tackles were there back in the 70's and 80's? i recall something about 25 a game per team tops. Of course players would be required to stay ahead of the play if this was the case.

There were less tackles "back in the day because in the 70s and 80s the tactical emphasis was on attack "how you can score" hence it wasn't uncommon to get 50 goal games throughout the season. If you read Tactics in Modern Football by Dave Wheadon published in 1991 the evolution of tactics is discussed. Late 80s the game started to change with Malthouse as pressure and defensive action came to the fore as we saw at West Coast early 90s 15 goals wins you a game.

The 1980s NAFC coaching manuals only covered offensive stats (interesting that chapter in the level 2 book was written by the Glenelg Fitness coach at the time Jaquesy) and our stats template was used as the benchmark across the country - another example of how the VFL wasn't that far ahead of the SANFL at the time (different now)

Arguably one of the biggest tactical drivers that led to a greater emphasis on tackles and linked to KPIs was Carlton in 1995. They worked out in 1994 that if they had 75 pressure acts a game (chases, spoils, blocks, shepherds, tackles etc) they would win. That was the teams drive in 1995 when it won the flag and it's a when the stat of tackles came to the fore or regarded as key. Defensive stats became more important or as important as offensive stats

Now let alone 75 pressure acts you see 75 tackles!

Parkin presented on this at a conference in early 1996 an interested party was Pagan (the tension in Parkin was evident as the educator in him wanted to impart the knowledge at the conference, the football coach in him wanted to keep his moth shut)

Defensive acts pressure became the byword late 90s and this was enhanced by Roos at Sydney with the implementation of the Zone/web team defence

So in a nutshell there were far less tackles back in the day as it wasnt considered an important aspect of the game compared to offensive play. Now there are far more tackles due to the defensive nature of the game. increased fitness standards means player have the capacity to tackle more and run both ways. previously with less fit players the game was more open.

Finally the object of our game is not to tap the ball but to win possession of it. So to require players to not take possession but rather tap it where there is less certainty in getting the ball to a team mate.

if you want more open footy pay the holds and scrags and let the payer making the ball his object be protected not the sheepdog sweating off. taht will keep the ball in motion

here endeth the lesson

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

The idea is not to take possession off the ball if youre under immense pressure, keep the ball moving, all too often players take possession knowing they will be tackled and the umpire will ball it up.
Your comment makes no sense, how many tackles were there back in the 70's and 80's? i recall something about 25 a game per team tops. Of course players would be required to stay ahead of the play if this was the case.

There were less tackles "back in the day because in the 70s and 80s the tactical emphasis was on attack "how you can score" hence it wasn't uncommon to get 50 goal games throughout the season. If you read Tactics in Modern Football by Dave Wheadon published in 1991 the evolution of tactics is discussed. Late 80s the game started to change with Malthouse as pressure and defensive action came to the fore as we saw at West Coast early 90s 15 goals wins you a game.

The 1980s NAFC coaching manuals only covered offensive stats (interesting that chapter in the level 2 book was written by the Glenelg Fitness coach at the time Jaquesy) and our stats template was used as the benchmark across the country - another example of how the VFL wasn't that far ahead of the SANFL at the time (different now)

Arguably one of the biggest tactical drivers that led to a greater emphasis on tackles and linked to KPIs was Carlton in 1995. They worked out in 1994 that if they had 75 pressure acts a game (chases, spoils, blocks, shepherds, tackles etc) they would win. That was the teams drive in 1995 when it won the flag and it's a when the stat of tackles came to the fore or regarded as key. Defensive stats became more important or as important as offensive stats

Now let alone 75 pressure acts you see 75 tackles!

Parkin presented on this at a conference in early 1996 an interested party was Pagan (the tension in Parkin was evident as the educator in him wanted to impart the knowledge at the conference, the football coach in him wanted to keep his moth shut)

Defensive acts pressure became the byword late 90s and this was enhanced by Roos at Sydney with the implementation of the Zone/web team defence

So in a nutshell there were far less tackles back in the day as it wasnt considered an important aspect of the game compared to offensive play. Now there are far more tackles due to the defensive nature of the game. increased fitness standards means player have the capacity to tackle more and run both ways. previously with less fit players the game was more open.

Finally the object of our game is not to tap the ball but to win possession of it. So to require players to not take possession but rather tap it where there is less certainty in getting the ball to a team mate.

if you want more open footy pay the holds and scrags and let the payer making the ball his object be protected not the sheepdog sweating off. taht will keep the ball in motion

here endeth the lesson

You realise you just wasted 8 minutes of your life?

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

The idea is not to take possession off the ball if youre under immense pressure, keep the ball moving, all too often players take possession knowing they will be tackled and the umpire will ball it up.
Your comment makes no sense, how many tackles were there back in the 70's and 80's? i recall something about 25 a game per team tops. Of course players would be required to stay ahead of the play if this was the case.

There were less tackles "back in the day because in the 70s and 80s the tactical emphasis was on attack "how you can score" hence it wasn't uncommon to get 50 goal games throughout the season. If you read Tactics in Modern Football by Dave Wheadon published in 1991 the evolution of tactics is discussed. Late 80s the game started to change with Malthouse as pressure and defensive action came to the fore as we saw at West Coast early 90s 15 goals wins you a game.

The 1980s NAFC coaching manuals only covered offensive stats (interesting that chapter in the level 2 book was written by the Glenelg Fitness coach at the time Jaquesy) and our stats template was used as the benchmark across the country - another example of how the VFL wasn't that far ahead of the SANFL at the time (different now)

Arguably one of the biggest tactical drivers that led to a greater emphasis on tackles and linked to KPIs was Carlton in 1995. They worked out in 1994 that if they had 75 pressure acts a game (chases, spoils, blocks, shepherds, tackles etc) they would win. That was the teams drive in 1995 when it won the flag and it's a when the stat of tackles came to the fore or regarded as key. Defensive stats became more important or as important as offensive stats

Now let alone 75 pressure acts you see 75 tackles!

Parkin presented on this at a conference in early 1996 an interested party was Pagan (the tension in Parkin was evident as the educator in him wanted to impart the knowledge at the conference, the football coach in him wanted to keep his moth shut)

Defensive acts pressure became the byword late 90s and this was enhanced by Roos at Sydney with the implementation of the Zone/web team defence

So in a nutshell there were far less tackles back in the day as it wasnt considered an important aspect of the game compared to offensive play. Now there are far more tackles due to the defensive nature of the game. increased fitness standards means player have the capacity to tackle more and run both ways. previously with less fit players the game was more open.

Finally the object of our game is not to tap the ball but to win possession of it. So to require players to not take possession but rather tap it where there is less certainty in getting the ball to a team mate.

if you want more open footy pay the holds and scrags and let the payer making the ball his object be protected not the sheepdog sweating off. taht will keep the ball in motion

here endeth the lesson

And if you go back to my original quote, thats exactly what i said, pay the holding the man frees, far too many get let go

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

am Bays wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:And they paid holding the man frees when blokes didnt take possession of the ball ala Kevin Bartlett tapping it in front of himself. I wish they would start paying these again. It helps keep the ball moving rather than blokes taking possession and getting tackled immediately and having stacks on. Get rid of all prior opportiunity, simplify it, if you dont kick or handball its holding the ball, tackles forces it out, its holding t, make the job easier for the umpires, there will be a spike in frees initially but give it two weeks the players will adapt.

Great idea if you want to encourage blokes to be second to the footy so they can tackle and win a free kick, then miss a target, have their team mates get tackled, turnover, rinse repeat.

The idea is not to take possession off the ball if youre under immense pressure, keep the ball moving, all too often players take possession knowing they will be tackled and the umpire will ball it up.
Your comment makes no sense, how many tackles were there back in the 70's and 80's? i recall something about 25 a game per team tops. Of course players would be required to stay ahead of the play if this was the case.

There were less tackles "back in the day because in the 70s and 80s the tactical emphasis was on attack "how you can score" hence it wasn't uncommon to get 50 goal games throughout the season. If you read Tactics in Modern Football by Dave Wheadon published in 1991 the evolution of tactics is discussed. Late 80s the game started to change with Malthouse as pressure and defensive action came to the fore as we saw at West Coast early 90s 15 goals wins you a game.

The 1980s NAFC coaching manuals only covered offensive stats (interesting that chapter in the level 2 book was written by the Glenelg Fitness coach at the time Jaquesy) and our stats template was used as the benchmark across the country - another example of how the VFL wasn't that far ahead of the SANFL at the time (different now)

Arguably one of the biggest tactical drivers that led to a greater emphasis on tackles and linked to KPIs was Carlton in 1995. They worked out in 1994 that if they had 75 pressure acts a game (chases, spoils, blocks, shepherds, tackles etc) they would win. That was the teams drive in 1995 when it won the flag and it's a when the stat of tackles came to the fore or regarded as key. Defensive stats became more important or as important as offensive stats

Now let alone 75 pressure acts you see 75 tackles!

Parkin presented on this at a conference in early 1996 an interested party was Pagan (the tension in Parkin was evident as the educator in him wanted to impart the knowledge at the conference, the football coach in him wanted to keep his moth shut)

Defensive acts pressure became the byword late 90s and this was enhanced by Roos at Sydney with the implementation of the Zone/web team defence

So in a nutshell there were far less tackles back in the day as it wasnt considered an important aspect of the game compared to offensive play. Now there are far more tackles due to the defensive nature of the game. increased fitness standards means player have the capacity to tackle more and run both ways. previously with less fit players the game was more open.

Finally the object of our game is not to tap the ball but to win possession of it. So to require players to not take possession but rather tap it where there is less certainty in getting the ball to a team mate.

if you want more open footy pay the holds and scrags and let the payer making the ball his object be protected not the sheepdog sweating off. taht will keep the ball in motion

here endeth the lesson

Good read AB.

Also, the spikes in the graph would represent rule changes perhaps.

Here it comes.

AFL wants to finish the season, in Victoria.

I read today that Scott Pendlebury needs just 4 disposals to move past Sam Mitchell into 6th spot on the most disposals in AFL history list so I looked into some more AFL stat lists.

Pendlebury has 8684 career disposals and is the highest on list among current players, Joel Selwood is 10th, Dave Mundy 18th, Marc Murphy 24th, Josh Kennedy 26th, Shaun Burgoyne 27th and Travis Boak is 29th.

Mitchell has the highest average disposal count of the top 30 (26.4) and Pendlebury has the second highest (26.32).

Pendlebury has the most handballs in AFL history with 4360, Selwood is 5th on that list, Kennedy 6th, Boak 13th and Mundy 15th.

Last round Lance Franklin (973 goals) moved into 6th spot on the most goals in AFL history list and he's currently 4th on the most behinds in AFL history list with 686, 4 behind Gary Ablett Senior.

Selwood has the most tackles in the AFL with 1662 and of the other current players Pendlebury is 3rd on the most tackles list, Burgoyne is 8th, Kennedy 10th, Liam Shiels 12th and Mundy is 14th.

Patrick Dangerfield is just 2 behind Jason Akermanis on the most Inside 50s in AFL history list, Dangerfield is 5th on that list with 1325. Of the other current players on that list Selwood is 7th, Dustin Martin is 11th, Pendlebury is 13th and Boak is 15th.

Your post led me onto afltables as was interested about the marking stats.

Was surprised to find no current players in top 30, given the somewhat chip-chip nature of modern football. (Kade Simpson the most recent retiree on the list)

Nick Riewoldt on 2944 will take some catching.

We all love giving them shit, I know I do, but well done :

North Melbourne’s faithful have voted with their feet, endorsing the club’s direction in overwhelming fashion by eclipsing its previous membership record.

The Kangaroos have reached 45,133 members so far in 2021, surpassing the previous record of 45,014 back in 2016 when then the team was coming off consecutive preliminary finals berths in 2014 and 2015 and a 9-0 season start in 2016.

Port v Melbourne Thursday night
Essendon v Crows Friday night

Booney wrote:We all love giving them shit, I know I do, but well done :

North Melbourne’s faithful have voted with their feet, endorsing the club’s direction in overwhelming fashion by eclipsing its previous membership record.

The Kangaroos have reached 45,133 members so far in 2021, surpassing the previous record of 45,014 back in 2016 when then the team was coming off consecutive preliminary finals berths in 2014 and 2015 and a 9-0 season start in 2016.

I must say I was pleasantly surprised when the members email came through saying this.

Despite sitting bottom Ive actually enjoyed this season immensely, probably the most for 4-5 years. We have never has this much access to young talent and most Roos fans are enjoying the journey so far I reckon.

Dutchy wrote:Despite sitting bottom Ive actually enjoyed this season immensely, probably the most for 4-5 years. We have never has this much access to young talent and most Roos fans are enjoying the journey so far I reckon.

Yeah I can understand where your coming from. You have had a complete upheaval at the club and a massive change in list. As you said you have seen some good young players out there getting games and will add to the young list at the next draft with a good draft hand.

Who's your pick with your first? Surely you are bidding on Daicos and maybe Darcy?
Then maybe look at getting Horne in to the midfield?

Dutchy wrote:Despite sitting bottom Ive actually enjoyed this season immensely, probably the most for 4-5 years. We have never has this much access to young talent and most Roos fans are enjoying the journey so far I reckon.

Playing some decent footy on and off as well, exciting times ahead if it all pulls together

Congratulations and all the best to Silk tonight but go PA