2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

[marbles]

The comparison to deledio to gws - richmond took a future 1st and 3rd rounder

Carlton refusing a 2016 1st rounder and a player like lyons its a massive f##k you by the blues. Didnt wanna see him along side betts jacobs n co?

She is probably packing her bags right now "no f#####g way am i staying in melbourne" haha would be tantrum city in the gibbs household

[cracka]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

Never thought I would see that sentence TBH

Yeah funny how the haters never rated Lyons but now losing him has weakened our midfield drastically

Or how the lovers rated Lyons but now losing him hasn't weakened your midfield much.

Who are the Lyons lovers on here?

[Gozu]

I'm not that fussed that we missed out on Gibbs but it does seem a bit strange Carlton didn't trade him not just to the Crows but any other team.

Why would you want a guy on your list you and all his teammates know doesn't want to be there?

Another thing with a newborn baby why the hell did he sign a 5 year deal with Carlton 2 years ago if he knew his wife wasn't that keen to stay in Melb?

[Spargo]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

Keep spinning it.

[Grahaml]

There would be some pretty angry grand parents in adelaide tonight possibly 2 sets

The wife of gibbs stuck in melbourne on her own with a new born baby whilst he's out kicking a footy all day and shes miles away from her family mum and dad plus step mum and dad the move to crows was likely her decision i doubt shes gonna stick around in melbourne for another year

And in a years time gibbs would be possibly too old to even go for?

Is he able to walk on on blues and do crows have a preseason draft pick?

Else he might be stuck in melbourne on his own whilst his missus moves back to adelaide with the new baby

His fault for signing a massively front loaded 5 year contract. Only 3 options for him now.
1- He plays out the remaining 3 years of his contract.
2- He sits out of footy for the next 3 years
3- He plays this year and seeks another trade at seasons end

Some further more serious options might be available. If he up and moves to Adelaide and tells Carlton they can fly him over for matches they might quickly want to re-evaluate his contractual situation and he could possibly then go into the draft. However, you'd think the AFL would be taking a pretty dim view of that particular maneuvre. Stuart Dew retired and came back a year later, that could happen again. Then again, he is a Carlton boy so he could revive a tradition and threaten court action.

But all in all, I think he'll play next season with Carlton and then get traded to SA for quite a lot less than they would have gotten this time around.

[Gozu]

Who are the Lyons lovers on here?

All the people on here who don't barrack for the Crows.

[cracka]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

Exactly. After losing Dangerfield last year we were meant to be shit.
This forum is getting so much like bigfooty where the aim is just to bag everyone else's club rather than decent footy talk

[whufc]

There would be some pretty angry grand parents in adelaide tonight possibly 2 sets

The wife of gibbs stuck in melbourne on her own with a new born baby whilst he's out kicking a footy all day and shes miles away from her family mum and dad plus step mum and dad the move to crows was likely her decision i doubt shes gonna stick around in melbourne for another year

And in a years time gibbs would be possibly too old to even go for?

Is he able to walk on on blues and do crows have a preseason draft pick?

Else he might be stuck in melbourne on his own whilst his missus moves back to adelaide with the new baby

His fault for signing a massively front loaded 5 year contract. Only 3 options for him now.
1- He plays out the remaining 3 years of his contract.
2- He sits out of footy for the next 3 years
3- He plays this year and seeks another trade at seasons end

Some further more serious options might be available. If he up and moves to Adelaide and tells Carlton they can fly him over for matches they might quickly want to re-evaluate his contractual situation and he could possibly then go into the draft. However, you'd think the AFL would be taking a pretty dim view of that particular maneuvre. Stuart Dew retired and came back a year later, that could happen again. Then again, he is a Carlton boy so he could revive a tradition and threaten court action.

But all in all, I think he'll play next season with Carlton and then get traded to SA for quite a lot less than they would have gotten this time around.

Going off an AFL player I know generally their contract will state they have to live in the state the club is based in.

[Jim05]

I'm not that fussed that we missed out on Gibbs but it does seem a bit strange Carlton didn't trade him not just to the Crows but any other team.

Why would you want a guy on your list you and all his teammates know doesn't want to be there?

Another thing with a newborn baby why the hell did he sign a 5 year deal with Carlton 2 years ago if he knew his wife wasn't that keen to stay in Melb?

The big issue Carlton would of had IMO is that it was massively front loaded too. There was talk on SEN the other day that it was something like $4m over 5 years with the first 2 years over $1m a year and then decreasing over the final 3 years.

[Grahaml]

There would be some pretty angry grand parents in adelaide tonight possibly 2 sets

The wife of gibbs stuck in melbourne on her own with a new born baby whilst he's out kicking a footy all day and shes miles away from her family mum and dad plus step mum and dad the move to crows was likely her decision i doubt shes gonna stick around in melbourne for another year

And in a years time gibbs would be possibly too old to even go for?

Is he able to walk on on blues and do crows have a preseason draft pick?

Else he might be stuck in melbourne on his own whilst his missus moves back to adelaide with the new baby

His fault for signing a massively front loaded 5 year contract. Only 3 options for him now.
1- He plays out the remaining 3 years of his contract.
2- He sits out of footy for the next 3 years
3- He plays this year and seeks another trade at seasons end

Some further more serious options might be available. If he up and moves to Adelaide and tells Carlton they can fly him over for matches they might quickly want to re-evaluate his contractual situation and he could possibly then go into the draft. However, you'd think the AFL would be taking a pretty dim view of that particular maneuvre. Stuart Dew retired and came back a year later, that could happen again. Then again, he is a Carlton boy so he could revive a tradition and threaten court action.

But all in all, I think he'll play next season with Carlton and then get traded to SA for quite a lot less than they would have gotten this time around.

Going off an AFL player I know generally their contract will state they have to live in the state the club is based in.

I imagine so. But what do Carlton do if his family moves to SA? Demand he let them go without him? Carlton already at risk of looking heartless, can't see them doing that.

[Grahaml]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

Keep spinning it.

Invoking the spirit of Donald Trump?

[whufc]

Yeah it's a tough one they have taken the tough line stance, I reckon they make him sit a year out and let him move before releasing him now that they have gone down this path

I reckon they would have the same questions about why he signed such a large contract etc

[Jim05]

[quote="marbles"]There would be some pretty angry grand parents in adelaide tonight possibly 2 sets

The wife of gibbs stuck in melbourne on her own with a new born baby whilst he's out kicking a footy all day and shes miles away from her family mum and dad plus step mum and dad the move to crows was likely her decision i doubt shes gonna stick around in melbourne for another year

And in a years time gibbs would be possibly too old to even go for?

Is he able to walk on on blues and do crows have a preseason draft pick?

Else he might be stuck in melbourne on his own whilst his missus moves back to adelaide with the new baby

His fault for signing a massively front loaded 5 year contract. Only 3 options for him now.
1- He plays out the remaining 3 years of his contract.
2- He sits out of footy for the next 3 years
3- He plays this year and seeks another trade at seasons end

Some further more serious options might be available. If he up and moves to Adelaide and tells Carlton they can fly him over for matches they might quickly want to re-evaluate his contractual situation and he could possibly then go into the draft. However, you'd think the AFL would be taking a pretty dim view of that particular maneuvre. Stuart Dew retired and came back a year later, that could happen again. Then again, he is a Carlton boy so he could revive a tradition and threaten court action.

But all in all, I think he'll play next season with Carlton and then get traded to SA for quite a lot less than they would have gotten this time around.

Going off an AFL player I know generally their contract will state they have to live in the state the club is based in.

I imagine so. But what do Carlton do if his family moves to SA? Demand he let them go without him? Carlton already at risk of looking heartless, can't see them doing that.[/quote]
Sets a dangerous precedent. Anyone who wants out whilst in contract can play the family card in the future?
Players know what they are signing up for and when you sign up to be drafted you know there is a fair chance you will end up interstate. Don't like it, look for another job. He would have to sit out for at least a year if he chooses to walk away from the club and then hope Carlton lets him go next year but TBH I don't see them folding.

[marbles]

So gibbs cant be delisted?

I reckon hes stuck in melbourne, his missus will come home with the baby. His massive contract will pay for flights back n forth

Just look at soldiers who go away to serve in the army 6 to 12 months

Not that i know the girl personally but youd assume thats whats best for her

[marbles]

Tredrea spinning on news tonight that hartlett was happy to go to essendon and essendon happy to take him but kenny talked him out of it.

Never give up on you my son!!

How good are freo gonna be also getting back fyfe and sandilands as new recruits too

[Spargo]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

Keep spinning it.

Invoking the spirit of Donald Trump?

At the end of the day, all the huffing & puffing from West Lakes pre draft about bolstering their midfield, was just that. In fact you went the other way & traded a mid out. Adelaide believes their premiership window is open now which means you improve your current list, now. Copping shit for paying overs for a player who you've clearly identified & could help you take the next step is irrelevant. Have a look at the teams currently ahead and those who have gone passed the Crows (Haw, Syd, Geel, WB, GWS, WC) all have been active this draft period.
Whilst the ultra conservative Crows have sat on their hands at times, other clubs are constantly on the front foot & have traded out stars (Hawks) been willing to pay overs to land the big fish (WB) whilst paying part of the traded players wage, generally making things happen which has brought success to these clubs.
If being a winner & making a stance at the trade table here & now jeopardises success in the next couple of years, more fool you. The Crows wanted Gibbs, he wanted to come, Adelaide in the end wouldn't take a risk to reap a possible reward. Was that the best decision?

[MW]

I thought Gibbs asked for trade to Adelaide but anyway go on

[Dutchy]

Happy with the Roos, 3 picks inside 33....overall would have about $1m of cap space with the departures/pickups, we will be all over the free agents in 12 months time I suspect.

[Gozu]

I think Gibbs was chasing the Crows much more than we were chasing him.

If we wanted Gibbs bad enough we would've traded for him it's not like he wasn't on the table.

Fair point about the Crows always being too conservative and risk averse the club has unfortunately always been like that.

[OnSong]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

Never thought I would see that sentence TBH

Yeah funny how the haters never rated Lyons but now losing him has weakened our midfield drastically

Or how the lovers rated Lyons but now losing him hasn't weakened your midfield much.

Please, of our midfield group, he was good but our first to be dropped. No one is under any illusion of his ability.