2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

[Brodlach]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

Totally agree, wish someone had said no to Tambling and Carey

In recent years they have got trade week almost spot on.

If Jim is correct re the front ending of his contract, don't blame Carlton at all for their stance.

In the end we missed out.....move on.

[whufc]

Been thinking more, no matter how Crows fans spin it they have the second longest current GF drought of the established clubs. It's 18 years since a GF which no club would accept.

They have never bottomed out but they have also never been an out and out genuine premiership favourite.

Are they too conservative?? Do they over rate their list when they are a 7-12 side and not willing to play the youth etc etc

At the end of the day they have got it wrong for a long time

[MW]

Their midfield this year included 2 x Crouch, Atkins and Lyons. Backline had Lever, Forward line had Cameron, McGovern. Milera played a few games before getting injured and squeezed out. Youth no?

[DOC]

I think they were high amongst the favourites in both 2005 and 2006.

The crows have maintained their first round pick instead of giving it for a 209 game player who may or may not play for a few more years.

Just because a player says he wants to play for you and does not end up there is hardly a big deal. Someone said on here previously that sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no. I guess the crows decided that Gibbs was worth X but Carlton wanted more. No deal. Same as real estate. Only worth what someone is willing to pay.

[David Brent]

I'll give you Wallace, but no issues with our Lids contract. He wants out for success & the bloke deserves it. We will get something back for him so no dramas there.

Where did the 5 years get you? as soon as it is up he wants out.

IMO any contract over 3 years long should be for absolute A graders, I don't put Lids in that bracket. Prestia is miles off it also.

Yet you best player comes out of contract in 12 months time.

So you rag my club for stuffing up long contracts, then also have a dig at us as someone (I presume you mean Martin?) is coming out of contract yet if we extended it then it would be too long & we would be again in the wrong according to your logic above.

I think at the time of Lids contract he would have been our best player easily so warranted a longer contract, I have no issues with that. I know you hate the Tigs with a passion mate but your getting a little bit picky here IMO.

[MW]

Biggest issue with Gibbs was he is worth X, Crows offered Carlton X + gravy as he is contracted, but Carlton wanted X plus the farm cause they are bitter about him wanting to leave.
Pretty simple to understand to most people except those who want to see the negative in how the Crows did it.

[whufc]

I think they were high amongst the favourites in both 2005 and 2006.

The crows have maintained their first round pick instead of giving it for a 209 game player who may or may not play for a few more years.

Just because a player says he wants to play for you and does not end up there is hardly a big deal. Someone said on here previously that sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no. I guess the crows decided that Gibbs was worth X but Carlton wanted more. No deal. Same as real estate. Only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Agree Gibbs was over valued but was just thinking that maybe the Crows are too responsible which makes them constantly a 5th-13th.

With the rise of GWS, the start of what could be a Bulldogs dynasty and the strong Sydney and Geelong I find it really hard to see the Crows getting a GF appearance in the next few years.

[whufc]

Biggest issue with Gibbs was he is worth X, Crows offered Carlton X + gravy as he is contracted, but Carlton wanted X plus the farm cause they are bitter about him wanting to leave.
Pretty simple to understand to most people except those who want to see the negative in how the Crows did it.

I agree Gibbs was overs but I do laugh at the Crows lovers who do continue to believe how good and great they are because they are constantly finishing 5-13.

At the end of the day for a club of Adelaides size, it's support, its finances, it's 10 out and out home games a year etc to not play in a GF in 18 years is nothing short of an embarrassment and an out and out failure.

[DOC]

Yep. two out of eighteen get to play the rest get to watch.

Speaking of Dynastys, is that the nickname Port should use to broaden their appeal in China?

[daysofourlives]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

You dont always have to be the winner in a trade, we clearly lost in the Mitchell, Lewis trades and thats why the Hawks get things done and will continue to do so. You become easy to trade with you get good deals like the exchange of draft picks with Carlton late. Trading pick 48, 66 and 70 this year for next years 2nd rounder, likely to be about pick 19-23 is an unbelievable trade and even more so that Carlton would have known it was going to get the O'Meara trade done for us. No doubt we probably have a handshake agreement to look after them in the future but would they have trusted any other club to do a similar deal?
Too many clubs are worried about getting one over the other club.
In the end how much of a goose does Cochrane look now, leave it to the list managers. He was never going to the draft, whats better than 3 top 10 picks? Give me 4 top 10 picks anyday. Gold Coast might have missed the boat 1st time round with their list but they wont this time, should be a real contender when these 4 top picks become a graders within 3 years to go with their current spine which is up there with the best in the comp

[Lightning McQueen]

There would be some pretty angry grand parents in adelaide tonight possibly 2 sets

The wife of gibbs stuck in melbourne on her own with a new born baby whilst he's out kicking a footy all day and shes miles away from her family mum and dad plus step mum and dad the move to crows was likely her decision i doubt shes gonna stick around in melbourne for another year

And in a years time gibbs would be possibly too old to even go for?

Is he able to walk on on blues and do crows have a preseason draft pick?

Else he might be stuck in melbourne on his own whilst his missus moves back to adelaide with the new baby

I'm glad you find it amusing.

[Wedgie]

My parents have always lived in the country 2.5 hours away by car (longer than a flight to Melbourne), my missus and I survived bringing up kids, I'm not sure what the issue is?

[Booney]

List not improved one bit, lost Lyons...

You know that trading isn't the only way clubs improve, right? Trades can be great, but you don't just go around sending blokes and picks to clubs just to satisfy those who want to see action. If Adelaide wasn't able to get any players at a price that made us a winner in that trade, then so be it. Sometimes the best decision a list manager can make is to say no.

You dont always have to be the winner in a trade, we clearly lost in the Mitchell, Lewis trades and thats why the Hawks get things done and will continue to do so. You become easy to trade with you get good deals like the exchange of draft picks with Carlton late. Trading pick 48, 66 and 70 this year for next years 2nd rounder, likely to be about pick 19-23 is an unbelievable trade and even more so that Carlton would have known it was going to get the O'Meara trade done for us. No doubt we probably have a handshake agreement to look after them in the future but would they have trusted any other club to do a similar deal?
Too many clubs are worried about getting one over the other club.
In the end how much of a goose does Cochrane look now, leave it to the list managers. He was never going to the draft, whats better than 3 top 10 picks? Give me 4 top 10 picks anyday. Gold Coast might have missed the boat 1st time round with their list but they wont this time, should be a real contender when these 4 top picks become a graders within 3 years to go with their current spine which is up there with the best in the comp

I think you lost in the trade period, full stop. Vickery is the laughing stock of the KPP world, you know it, but Hawks fans are telling me you'll make him a player. You're not ******* magicians, by the way. O'Meara is the biggest gamble any club has taken this trade period, period. His knees are well and truly under a question mark and you've lost Lewis because of that roll of the dice. The only "win" I see is Mitchell for Mitchell. Tom type is a very good player and one who will be so for many years.

But, with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne, Gibson, Birchall, Frawley, McEvoy all with their best football behind them to go into this draft with 88 and 1,307 as your only picks is very interesting. A heap of the kids on the list have seen very little senior football in the last 3 years and they won't all stroll into the "one soldier down one soldier" in philosophy of the angry little man in charge.

Interesting times for Hawthorn and Geelong, I reckon.

[Booney]

Biggest issue with Gibbs was he is worth X, Crows offered Carlton X + gravy as he is contracted, but Carlton wanted X plus the farm cause they are bitter about him wanting to leave.
Pretty simple to understand to most people except those who want to see the negative in how the Crows did it.

I agree Gibbs was overs but I do laugh at the Crows lovers who do continue to believe how good and great they are because they are constantly finishing 5-13.

At the end of the day for a club of Adelaides size, it's support, its finances, it's 10 out and out home games a year etc to not play in a GF in 18 years is nothing short of an embarrassment and an out and out failure.

You forgot to mention the inability to keep the best of the best here year after year and the fact very few outsiders look at it as a destination club.

[MW]

My parents have always lived in the country 2.5 hours away by car (longer than a flight to Melbourne), my missus and I survived bringing up kids, I'm not sure what the issue is?

If you had the opportunity to go back to where your parents are and have the same job and opportunities, would you?

[Wedgie]

My parents have always lived in the country 2.5 hours away by car (longer than a flight to Melbourne), my missus and I survived bringing up kids, I'm not sure what the issue is?

If you had the opportunity to go back to where your parents are and have the same job and opportunities, would you?

Geezus, no way!

[Dogwatcher]

Exactly. After losing Dangerfield last year we were meant to be shit.
This forum is getting so much like bigfooty where the aim is just to bag everyone else's club rather than decent footy talk

Who said this? I don't recall this being an overarching feeling. People may have said they were going to hold steady, barely anyone predicted a slide.

[Spargo]

Pick 1307
Very good Booney.

[JK]

Exactly. After losing Dangerfield last year we were meant to be shit.
This forum is getting so much like bigfooty where the aim is just to bag everyone else's club rather than decent footy talk

Who said this? I don't recall this being an overarching feeling. People may have said they were going to hold steady, barely anyone predicted a slide.

The majority of media and football pundits wrote the Crows off last season, particularly once they'd taken a look at the draw. I thought they'd be nowhere near the 8 myself. Definitely a surprise to most

[Dogwatcher]

Exactly. After losing Dangerfield last year we were meant to be shit.
This forum is getting so much like bigfooty where the aim is just to bag everyone else's club rather than decent footy talk

Who said this? I don't recall this being an overarching feeling. People may have said they were going to hold steady, barely anyone predicted a slide.

The majority of media and football pundits wrote the Crows off last season, particularly once they'd taken a look at the draw. I thought they'd be nowhere near the 8 myself. Definitely a surprise to most

Maybe I'm looking at it with hindsight.
I certainly didn't think they'd slide, though.