Selection one, player 85672 Bryce Gibbs, Glenelg

[MatteeG]

Travis Tuck is listed for Hawthorn. Shane Tuck was originally on the Hawks list but wasnt kept, went to Westies and got picked up by Richmond.

[Dissident]

I don't think the rule is fair.

I guess that the way it is now (and before, regardless) means that there was always going to be a 5 year period or so where there would be no F/S selections available.

The changes have meant we now have access to the handful of 25+ year olds roaming around.

I just find it uneven - the son of Ross Gibbs, great player in the SANFL can't have his son play for the Crows after playing over 200 games, yet Brisbane get to have Jonathan Brown who played 50 games for a Melbourne team (albeit, Fitzroy).

50 games. That's just over 2 years of footy.

[Dissident]

The rule is flawed. There is no way in the world a rule like this which in essence is based on history, can be fair and equitable when the history of clubs can differ up to 100 years.

But, it isn't going away.

The Crows are now entering a time where there aren't any F/S selections available (as far as I know). The boys who are 13+ at the moment wouldm I think, have fathers who's playing careers traverse the period before and after the Crows entered.

And the number of games - that's a farce. As far as I've read, it was done to "even up" the number of fathers who's offspring could play for the clubs? Crap.

Look at the ratio of players that play 200 games compared to 100. 100 is probably 5 good years of footy.... 200 is closer to 11 taking into consideration injuries. I'd say that for every 7 players that play 100 games, 1 plays 200.

Maybe it should be the age of the father. When the Crows entered, Ross was too old to realistically play AFL (or, VFL, now) footy. Shouldn't this mean his "career" was pre-90 even though the twilight was after?



I guess it's hard to have a rule that's based and built on tradition and history (which is fair enough!) has black and white rules dictating what history, and what tradition, you can use.

[stan]

Without really knowing how the F/S rule works im in no positiion to comment on that issue. The issue I can talk about is the fact that poor bryce might end up going to carlton or richmond. Poor kid!

[Dissident]

"This legitimises the club's drafting Magarey Medallist Brett Ebert in 2002 as his father Russell had played his 200th game with the Magpies before 1997."

Crap. Utter crap.

Changing a rule AFTER the fact doesn't make it right at the time the screw-up happened.

Does that mean that the changes made a few years ago, illegitamise Jonathan Brown being at Brisbane ?

[stan]

Yes you are correct there diss, nothing legitimises the Ebert issue. But put it down to a proffesional mistake

[Blue Boy]

I wonder if the crows had of just kept silent on this - they could of just picked him up on the father son rule and then just went oops sorry our miscalculation and taken the fine.

[Dissident]

I wonder if the crows had of just kept silent on this - they could of just picked him up on the father son rule and then just went oops sorry our miscalculation and taken the fine.

Could have worked, but it was the Power who brought it in the attention of the AFL (VFL?)

[doggies4eva]

How would a Victorian prove who his father was?

[RustyCage]

"This legitimises the club's drafting Magarey Medallist Brett Ebert in 2002 as his father Russell had played his 200th game with the Magpies before 1997."

Crap. Utter crap.

Changing a rule AFTER the fact doesn't make it right at the time the screw-up happened.

Does that mean that the changes made a few years ago, illegitamise Jonathan Brown being at Brisbane ?

Fire up Disso!!!

[Blue Boy]

Dont think much for Port - But if B.Ebert did noy play for them it would of been a discrase and im glad the AFL let that go through to the keeper.

[Macca19]

I wonder if the crows had of just kept silent on this - they could of just picked him up on the father son rule and then just went oops sorry our miscalculation and taken the fine.

Could have worked, but it was the Power who brought it in the attention of the AFL (VFL?)

Thats only heresay at the moment. Both John Reid and Stephen Trigg have stated they were the ones that went to the AFL.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Without really knowing how the F/S rule works im in no positiion to comment on that issue. The issue I can talk about is the fact that poor bryce might end up going to carlton or richmond. Poor kid!

Which would be the case if his father hadn't played footy at all. Has anyone considered that maybe Bryce Gibbs isn't rated so highly by other clubs and either Port or the Crows may get him anyway? I've seen Gibbs play. He's a good kid but IMHO he's not in the class of a Deledio or a Hodge who were previous 1 picks. There may be other players running around elsewhere in Australia who are rated higher. This is storm in a tea cup stuff.

[stan]

Without really knowing how the F/S rule works im in no positiion to comment on that issue. The issue I can talk about is the fact that poor bryce might end up going to carlton or richmond. Poor kid!

Which would be the case if his father hadn't played footy at all. Has anyone considered that maybe Bryce Gibbs isn't rated so highly by other clubs and either Port or the Crows may get him anyway? I've seen Gibbs play. He's a good kid but IMHO he's not in the class of a Deledio or a Hodge who were previous 1 picks. There may be other players running around elsewhere in Australia who are rated higher. This is storm in a tea cup stuff.

i was of the opinion that he was rated pretty highly around Australia, so he might go in the top 5 at least.

[Punk Rooster]

What I can't work out is-
Port have Father/Son access to North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville, West Torrens, Central Districts & Port Adelaide.
Crows have Glenelg, South Adelaide, Sturt & Norwood.
6 v 4. You'd think there'd be a 5/5 split? Throw West Adelaide to the Crows & make it even. Not rocket surgery.

[Dissident]

What I can't work out is-
Port have Father/Son access to North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville, West Torrens, Central Districts & Port Adelaide.
Crows have Glenelg, South Adelaide, Sturt & Norwood.
6 v 4. You'd think there'd be a 5/5 split? Throw West Adelaide to the Crows & make it even. Not rocket surgery.

Hmmm I thought they already had one of those ... ?

I thought it was 4 v 5 with the team with 4 (port) having Woodville and Torrens

[TroyGFC]

6 v 4. You'd think there'd be a 5/5 split?

Thats because Woodville and West Torrens are one team that makes a 5v4, and Glenelg's greatness makes up 2 teams. No you are correct its a useless system Crows and Port have no tradition so why give them any exSANFL player under the father and son rules.[/quote]

[sydney-dog]

I think the changes are laughable
honestly the AFL would of saved greater face by making no amendments at all

In regards to recent selections, only Brown, Cousins and Ablett are worth any value, while Watson and Waite are on the way up.....

Others such as the Clokes and Shaw's are only worth a third round draft pick at best

[stan]

I think the changes are laughable
honestly the AFL would of saved greater face by making no amendments at all

In regards to recent selections, only Brown, Cousins and Ablett are worth any value, while Watson and Waite are on the way up.....

Others such as the Clokes and Shaw's are only worth a third round draft pick at best

Depends, Jason Cloke maybe a third round pick, but Travis Cloke, much higher, hard to say but this guy isnt a bad player. Maybe taking J.Cloke was sort of a handicap the pies were willing to go for.

[sydney-dog]

Stan

On the surface it does look like Travis Cloke has more to offer then his brothers but then again I think it was Jason who also started his career with bit of a bang and has since faded