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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:23 am

bennymacca wrote:
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bennymacca wrote:50% of 100 game players, and 70% of 200 game players were selected in the top 20 in the draft. So you really are giving up a lot when you trade away a first round pick

Good observation, from the clubs' perspective.

However, from the player's perspective it means that if you're not taken early on in the draft you're probably not going to make it at the top level.


depends on what "making it" means.

plenty of Rory Lairds and Lawrence Angwins to prove exceptions to the rule too


Lots of late picks turned out to be absolute stars of the game too.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby bennymacca » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:29 am

what might be more interesting is what percentage of afl players become 100/200 game players.

and those percentages for first round picks vs the rest.

it may be double the rate for fist round draft picks, but its still going to be pretty low i think.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby bennymacca » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:40 am

watch "the greatest" last night

was just one of those crappy list shows but had it on in the background

They counted down the greatest goals in history, and rated Eddie's as the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsUbxWLC-M

Hard to argue. Still makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. And have never been more excited attending the footy than that moment
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Magellan » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:46 am

Booney wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
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bennymacca wrote:50% of 100 game players, and 70% of 200 game players were selected in the top 20 in the draft. So you really are giving up a lot when you trade away a first round pick

Good observation, from the clubs' perspective.

However, from the player's perspective it means that if you're not taken early on in the draft you're probably not going to make it at the top level.


depends on what "making it" means.

plenty of Rory Lairds and Lawrence Angwins to prove exceptions to the rule too


Lots of late picks turned out to be absolute stars of the game too.

Perhaps it also demonstrates that stats are sort of bullshit. ;)

Definitely, there's always exceptions, I'm simply speaking in terms of probabilities.

I use the term 'making it' to means becoming an established player, and crafting a career out of playing AFL footy - making a name in the game, which then provides something bankable.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby bennymacca » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:56 am

stats are stats. its whether the correct inferences are made from them.

just because you can pick a single counter example it doesnt mean the stat is bullshit.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:06 pm

bennymacca wrote:watch "the greatest" last night

was just one of those crappy list shows but had it on in the background

They counted down the greatest goals in history, and rated Eddie's as the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsUbxWLC-M

Hard to argue. Still makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. And have never been more excited attending the footy than that moment

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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Magellan » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:26 pm

bennymacca wrote:stats are stats. its whether the correct inferences are made from them.

just because you can pick a single counter example it doesnt mean the stat is bullshit.

I presume this bolshy reply is aimed at my previous post.

Ease up, Benny. I like stats as much as you obviously do. You've rather quickly forgotten I endorsed your initial conclusion about giving up high draft picks, so it's clear I don't really means that they're bullshit. Look for the little smiley winky man at the end of the sentence next time, it means I'm not really being serious.

Drawing a probability-based conclusion based on those percentages is a correct inference, given I also qualified what I thought 'making it' meant. Up to others to judge whether I'm right on that score. With further data you could tear my proposition to shreds, as you've correctly suggested.

'A single counter example'? Where?

Time for a Bex, a lie down, and some more Eddie Betts vids. ;)
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:51 pm

Magellan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:stats are stats. its whether the correct inferences are made from them.

just because you can pick a single counter example it doesnt mean the stat is bullshit.

I presume this bolshy reply is aimed at my previous post.

Ease up, Benny. I like stats as much as you obviously do. You've rather quickly forgotten I endorsed your initial conclusion about giving up high draft picks, so it's clear I don't really means that they're bullshit. Look for the little smiley winky man at the end of the sentence next time, it means I'm not really being serious.

Drawing a probability-based conclusion based on those percentages is a correct inference, given I also qualified what I thought 'making it' meant. Up to others to judge whether I'm right on that score. With further data you could tear my proposition to shreds, as you've correctly suggested.

'A single counter example'? Where?

Time for a Bex, a lie down, and some more Eddie Betts vids. ;)


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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby bennymacca » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:42 pm

Magellan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:stats are stats. its whether the correct inferences are made from them.

just because you can pick a single counter example it doesnt mean the stat is bullshit.

I presume this bolshy reply is aimed at my previous post.

Ease up, Benny. I like stats as much as you obviously do. You've rather quickly forgotten I endorsed your initial conclusion about giving up high draft picks, so it's clear I don't really means that they're bullshit. Look for the little smiley winky man at the end of the sentence next time, it means I'm not really being serious.

Drawing a probability-based conclusion based on those percentages is a correct inference, given I also qualified what I thought 'making it' meant. Up to others to judge whether I'm right on that score. With further data you could tear my proposition to shreds, as you've correctly suggested.

'A single counter example'? Where?

Time for a Bex, a lie down, and some more Eddie Betts vids. ;)


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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Brodlach » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:03 pm

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And how the hell does he even get the title 'Legends night' self appointed perhaps.

I agree.


Yep, biggest tool on TV. Would rather listen to BT carry on

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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Magellan » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:29 pm

bennymacca wrote:watch "the greatest" last night

was just one of those crappy list shows but had it on in the background

They counted down the greatest goals in history, and rated Eddie's as the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsUbxWLC-M

Hard to argue. Still makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. And have never been more excited attending the footy than that moment

How did some of the freakish goals Peter Daicos kicked rate in that list?
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby beef » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:36 pm

Magellan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:watch "the greatest" last night

was just one of those crappy list shows but had it on in the background

They counted down the greatest goals in history, and rated Eddie's as the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsUbxWLC-M

Hard to argue. Still makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. And have never been more excited attending the footy than that moment

How did some of the freakish goals Peter Daicos kicked rate in that list?

Only had one offically in the list (number 7 i think, vs richmond at vic park) they did do a package of his other goals not in the list though
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:47 pm

bertiebeatle wrote:
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carey wrote:I seriously can't stand David King. Total wanker

And how the hell does he even get the title 'Legends night' self appointed perhaps.

I agree.


Yep, biggest tool on TV. Would rather listen to BT carry on


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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby MW » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:14 pm

Dwayne will tell you what the players grandmother had for breakfast as he's lining up for goal
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Spargo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:59 pm

Nick Dal Santo is excellent. Calls it as it is.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Feenix » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:34 pm

Watching Gary Ablett being interviewed on the footy show was the worst TV I have ever seen. Seriously hang your head in shame, just incredibly terrible journalism. I know we all know the footy show is gutter TV but that was an all time low. When Shane Crawford is the only one asking intelligent questions you know something is wrong.

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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Jim05 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:52 pm

Feenix wrote:Watching Gary Ablett being interviewed on the footy show was the worst TV I have ever seen. Seriously hang your head in shame, just incredibly terrible journalism. I know we all know the footy show is gutter TV but that was an all time low. When Shane Crawford is the only one asking intelligent questions you know something is wrong.

Saw a little bit and it was shocking. Can't believe the Suns allowed him to do it
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Bandit » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:21 am

Yeah hutchy seems desperate... the kind of journo who would hide in and dig through bins to get the story.
They think they're asking the questions that the public want - wrong, they are only satisfying their own need to flog the same story that has been around for ages. How many times does he need to answer the same question, clearly he's not going to elaborate any further.
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby JK » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:40 am

Spargo wrote:Nick Dal Santo is excellent. Calls it as it is.


Only seen him once in his current role, but thought he was trying too hard - hopefully he's settled into it now after a coupla goes
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Re: AFL 360 - (and other Foxtel footy programs)

Postby Booney » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:04 am

Jim05 wrote:
Feenix wrote:Watching Gary Ablett being interviewed on the footy show was the worst TV I have ever seen. Seriously hang your head in shame, just incredibly terrible journalism. I know we all know the footy show is gutter TV but that was an all time low. When Shane Crawford is the only one asking intelligent questions you know something is wrong.

Saw a little bit and it was shocking. Can't believe the Suns allowed him to do it


Caro had a crack at Hutchy on Classified on Monday night saying The Footy Show was mad for paying GAj for the interview. She made it clear GAj doesn't do anything unless there's a cheque involved....
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