Brisbane Lions, you're time at the top is officially over!!!

[Interceptor]

More ridiculous nonsense.
Yes, Brisbane get 4 in a row at the Gabba, but the 4th game is a home game for Melbourne that they have chosen to play there.
Geelong managed to get 3 in a row down at Catland -are you going to complain about that?

Drawing a long bow there, Geelong haven't had a home ground advantage for 13 games in a season ever let alone having finals played in Geelong like the Lions get to most years!!!

Just for the record, the Cats have 8 home games in Geelong this year (as opposed to Brisbane's 12). The only reason they opened up the season with 3 at Geelong was because of the MCG redevelopment, its no advantage as its just games they miss out later in the year. There's no reason for Rds 11-14 in Brisbane.

Talk about ridiculous nonsense, I think you've just taken the cake there!

Wedgie, some of your anti-AFL rantings are clearly in a league of their own when it comes to silliness.

Anyway my point wasn't based on the total number of home games, it was the consecutive home games.
Round 14 is the Melbourne 'home' game.
Why it's on the end of 3 consecutive regular Brisbane home games, I don't know.
Just a quirk of the fixture as far as I'm concerned.

Have Geelong lobbied to have finals at their ground?
I assume it's a capacity/lights issue as they would have as fair case to in my mind.

[mal]

INTERCEPTOR.

re BL having 4 consequtive games at the GABBA

Imagine HW and ML playing home games next year
against PP at aami staduim next year.

There would be a f.....g riot.

Yeah sure the 4th game in a row is a ML home game played
at the Gabba, but its in Brisbane...its a distinct advantage for
the Lions...

Its also unfair for the other clubs around australia.

[McAlmanac]

This all just highlights the lack of integrity in the AFL competition. Unless you play each side twice - once at your place and once at theirs - there will always be inequity.

[Wedgie]

Wedgie, some of your anti-AFL rantings are clearly in a league of their own when it comes to silliness.

Ahh, the good ole comeback of I disagree with you but have no facts to prove my point,;)
KG or Cornsey is that you?

[Wedgie]

PS I did some mathematics using 5 teams as test cases:
Geelong, Brisbane, Collingwood, West Coast and Adelaide.

Geelong get a genuine home ground advantage in 36% of its matches and an away game disadvantage of 64%.
Brisbane get a geunine home ground advantage in 59%/55% of its matches and an away game disadvantage of 41%/45%.
Collingwood get a genuine home ground advantage in 27% of its matches BUT gets 55% of its matches at a neutral ground and gets an away game disadvantage of 18%.
Adelaide and West Coast both gets exactly the same home/away ratio with 2 neutral games thrown in.
Basically if you take away netural games which have no advantages each club would have the following quotient with zero being the worse and 100 being the best:

Geelong 36
Brisbane 59 (or 55) - depends on if you count it as an advantage when they play Hawthorn at the Gold Coast - I would
Collingwood 60
Adelaide 50
West Coast 50

My point is, if you want to say that Brisbane don't have an advantage, feel free to compare their draw to some other clubs, but to compare it to Geelong's is absolutely ridiculous, and that doesn't even take into account financial top ups, salary cap concessions, priority draft picks, zonal allowances, etc, etc, etc.

And why games are where they are is irrelevent to my point as I'm merely pointing who has the advantages and who doesn't as part of the wonderful conglomeration that is the AFL.

[Rik E Boy]

PS I did some mathematics using 5 teams as test cases:
Geelong, Brisbane, Collingwood, West Coast and Adelaide.

Geelong get a genuine home ground advantage in 36% of its matches and an away game disadvantage of 64%.
Brisbane get a geunine home ground advantage in 59%/55% of its matches and an away game disadvantage of 41%/45%.
Collingwood get a genuine home ground advantage in 27% of its matches BUT gets 55% of its matches at a neutral ground and gets an away game disadvantage of 18%.
Adelaide and West Coast both gets exactly the same home/away ratio with 2 neutral games thrown in.
Basically if you take away netural games which have no advantages each club would have the following quotient with zero being the worse and 100 being the best:

Geelong 36
Brisbane 59 (or 55) - depends on if you count it as an advantage when they play Hawthorn at the Gold Coast - I would
Collingwood 60
Adelaide 50
West Coast 50

My point is, if you want to say that Brisbane don't have an advantage, feel free to compare their draw to some other clubs, but to compare it to Geelong's is absolutely ridiculous, and that doesn't even take into account financial top ups, salary cap concessions, priority draft picks, zonal allowances, etc, etc, etc.

And why games are where they are is irrelevent to my point as I'm merely pointing who has the advantages and who doesn't as part of the wonderful conglomeration that is the AFL.

Wedgie. How can you possibly quantify home ground advantage as a mathematical formula . True, I failed maths more regularly than Port won flags but I reckon you've lost it! Please explain how you conjured this forumula for this dim witted poster!

regards,

REB

[mal]

REB

When Wedgie puts up a BL ratio at 59% that means
that they play 59% in QLD and 41% away.

That is lop sided and unfair.

WC-FR-AC-PP-SS have never EVER had a 'dream draw'
where they play 4 consequtive games in thier home state.

One more point.

They play those games in rd's 11-12-13-14 when its
generally cold and wet all over the rest of australia.
So the other clubs go to a climate which is several
degrees higher....another BL advantage.

The wedge sledge is vindicated.

[sydney-dog]

Wedgie

I am interested in your definition of home / away and netrual game advantage

Can we use Collingwood as an example, which Category do you place the following games in

Rnd 1- v Adel at Telstra Dome
Rnd 5 - v Power at Telstra Dome
Rnd 10 - v Lions at MCG
Rnd 15 - v Fremantle at MCG
Rnd 16 - v Eagles at Telstra

[Rik E Boy]

REB

When Wedgie puts up a BL ratio at 59% that means
that they play 59% in QLD and 41% away.

That is lop sided and unfair.

WC-FR-AC-PP-SS have never EVER had a 'dream draw'
where they play 4 consequtive games in thier home state.

One more point.

They play those games in rd's 11-12-13-14 when its
generally cold and wet all over the rest of australia.
So the other clubs go to a climate which is several
degrees higher....another BL advantage.

The wedge sledge is vindicated.

The 'Wedgie sledge' (sounds like a new dance LOL) simply does not stack up because you CANNOT quantify home ground advantage in mathematical terms. Wedgie's position would have you believe that Brisbane's home ground advantage against West Coast is equal to that of their home ground advantage over Melbourne which is bull5hit.

regards,

REB

[mal]

REB : RE WEDGE SLEDGE

Let them give up home games but play them on nuetral venues.

examples.

SK AT AURORA
WB AT DARWIN
KA AT MANUKA

ML played AC this year in the gold coast. FAIR.
ML play BL in round 14 UNFAIR.

There is that intangibility of an unfair advantage to BL.

14 Games in QUEENSLAND now thats BULLSIT.

[Rik E Boy]

True mate but it doesn't alter the fact that Melbourne chose to play there in the first place.

regards,

REB

[mal]

REB

Yep ML has abided by that.

My gripe is on the matter is that the other 14 clubs
are at advantage/and or disadvantage pending that result
when ML play BL.
And that ML are at a disadvantage in the comp.
And BL get an unfair advantage on the 15 teams.

[Dissident]

It's not a level playing field. Never will be.

But I do beleive the cream will always rise to the top.

[mal]

HW V BL at carrara oval shame shame shame.

Congratulations to the Hawthorn football club
for playing thier home game at carrara tonight and LOSING.
The club is financially better off now I guess[applause]
HW now slips to 4-3 record.
And Hawthorn supporters must be pissed off [I would be]
And after playing in the QLD heat now have to recover for next week.

The club got what they deserved.

And Brisbane gets 14 home state games this year.

[sydney-dog]

MAL

It's the same melbourne base teams which are complaining about unfair concessions to both Sydney and Brisbane, but over the years the Demons, Bullies, Roo's and the Hawks have all been prepared to sacrafice home games and play them interstate, why ?, because too many teams in Melbourne are fighting for the membership and corporate dollar and the teams which are falling behind need to raise revenue by other means........

What is the answer, relocate couple of these struggling melbourne based teams

[mal]

SYDNEYDOG

Yeah agree I guess in a perfect world they would
never give up the home state advantage and do
it purely for financial impetus.
So I guess now its up to the AFL to rectify the
advantages however they can.
No matter what evolves it should be an even playing
field for all 16 clubs regardless of financial hardship.

The solution ???? I just barrack and watch footy.

Also note WB play on the road for the 2nd consequtive week
by playing a HOME game in Sydney vrs. SS this week.
If you barracked for the WB you would be 'moody' as well.

[doggies4eva]

While I have been critical of the AFL for its short-sightedness, the establishment and support of the Sydney and Brisbane teams have been one of their major achievements. Turn back the clock to the time that these moves were happening and you may recall that the big battle for media attention had started between the two codes. What would be our national football game rugby or AFL? As another poster pointed out the attempt by the NRL to get a toe-hold in Perth and Adelaide failed with only the Melbourne team surviving. Since then they have added an NZ team but ther game is based on pokie revenue and media hype. The crowds that the AFL have been getting are fantastic compared to the NRL.

Given that the AFL won round 1 of this inter-code competition, I feel that the NRL has hit back with a team in NZ when all the AFL can do is program an occasional game in Tassie, Canberra or the NT. It is time for the next bold move - while there is serious money in the coffers from the TV deal.

[MatteeG]

Mal- yes we are pissed off! Why play Brisbane anywhere but home?

Hopefully the results ensures this isnt done again too soon!

[TroyGFC]

And Brisbane gets 14 home state games this year.

Unfortunatly even home games up there we cant win every week anymore.

[TroyGFC]

We are back!!!! Jono and Bradshaw awesome up forward for last few weeks and Aka starting to regain form, looked brilliant kicking a goal in last quater on the run.