The Tasmanian Siren Fiasco

[Magpiespower]

The result from the AFL commision. Freo wins the game. They ruled the game ended whens the siren went, and hence the points go to freo.

What a joke.

Might as well just rip up the rule book.

[Aerie]

The result from the AFL commision. Freo wins the game. They ruled the game ended whens the siren went, and hence the points go to freo.

What a joke.

Might as well just rip up the rule book.

I disagree. A good move by the AFL. There is always a place for commonsense and it is good to see it was used on this occasion.

[am Bays]

Might as well just rip up the rule book.

Australian Football doesn't have a rule book, we have a book of Laws.

[sydney-dog]

in regards to betting, the laws of the land prevent agencies paying out twice on one result, given that the AFL gave the agencies the all clear to pay the draw they are now not able to pay the win

For me, if you take the sportsmanship view then the correct decision was made, but if you take the view on the laws of our game and what they represent then the wrong decision was made.

The AFL was in a no win situation, personally I have concerns about the direction that they have just taken, I just hope they have not lead the game down a path that any decision that a club believes that may have effected the result will be protested and challenged

Whether they realise it or not they have just taken the game out of the umpires hands

[Magpiespower]

Australian Football doesn't have a rule book, we have a book of Laws.

Who writes these laws?

Neddy Smith?

I disagree. A good move by the AFL. There is always a place for commonsense and it is good to see it was used on this occasion.

Does that mean Collingwood can retrospectively claim the 1980 Escort Cup premiership now?

The rules, ahem, laws, of the game are there in black and white and if they're not going to be enforced, they're not worth the paper they're printed on.

Waiting for St. Kilda's next move...

[stan]

of the game are there in black and white and if they're not going to be enforced, they're not worth the paper they're printed on.

Good post MP you bring up a good arguement there. And although i think Freo were robbed and deserve the points and before i thought that the AFL should award the points to Freo, but now im not so sure,im really starting to think that the AFL probably should have enforced the rules.

[Magpiespower]

Good post MP you bring up a good arguement there. And although i think Freo were robbed and deserve the points and before i thought that the AFL should award the points to Freo, but now im not so sure,im really starting to think that the AFL probably should have enforced the rules.

Agree 100%.

syd is right - the precedent has been set.

The AFL might have opened up a can of worms here...

[PhilG]

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[MightyEagles]

I remember when Adelaide played Collingwood at Victoria Park (the last time that we played them there), a Collingwood player was running with the ball, the siren went just before he kicked it and kicked a goal and the goal stood. Adelaide went down by 5 pts if I recall correctly. Sure Adelaide didn't kick straight but it's just about the same thing.

[Punk Rooster]

I remember when Adelaide played Collingwood at Victoria Park (the last time that we played them there), a Collingwood player was running with the ball, the siren went just before he kicked it and kicked a goal and the goal stood. Adelaide went down by 5 pts if I recall correctly. Sure Adelaide didn't kick straight but it's just about the same thing.

Disagree totally. As explained in my other post, a nano-sacond, few seconds, cop it on the chin (not Timmy The Chin ). But 26 seconds? Nah, the AFL got it right imo.

[JK]

I remember when Adelaide played Collingwood at Victoria Park (the last time that we played them there), a Collingwood player was running with the ball, the siren went just before he kicked it and kicked a goal and the goal stood. Adelaide went down by 5 pts if I recall correctly. Sure Adelaide didn't kick straight but it's just about the same thing.

Richard Osbourne, and the kick was prior to the halftime siren, think it was 97

[doggies4eva]

I am surprised by the decision. While I would have liked Freo to have won and thought they were robbed, I thought that anything but upholding the draw would be a dangerous precendent. I have been to games where the umpire didn't hear the siren and the game goes on until he hears it. This has been the practice in line with the rules for as long as I can remember. Ignoring the Laws of the game for the sake of "justice" is a farce. It's a question of interpreting the Laws of the game. Justice doesn't come into it.

[Magpiespower]

Saints not taking any further action.

But what's next?

A club appeals because a wrong decision late in the game costs them the four points?

Sounds over-the-top but I reakon that's where we're headed.

Also, the timekeepers - not the umpires - have to be entrusted in determining when the quarter ends from now on. Surely?

And not just the final quarter, but ALL quarters.

Because it's not altogether uncommon for players to kick goals after the siren has sounded, even if it's only a fraction of a second late.

[doggies4eva]

Saints not taking any further action.

But what's next?

A club appeals because a wrong decision late in the game costs them the four points?

Sounds over-the-top but I reakon that's where we're headed.

Also, the timekeepers - not the umpires - have to be entrusted in determining when the quarter ends from now on. Surely?

And not just the final quarter, but ALL quarters.

Because it's not altogether uncommon for players to kick goals after the siren has sounded, even if it's only a fraction of a second late.

That's right - what happens now if a player kicks a goal within a second or two after the siren. The umpire has heard the siren but hasn't had time to signal the end of the quarter. Until now the goal has always counted. This decision throws that into doubt.

[Footy Chick]

Saints not taking any further action.

But what's next?

A club appeals because a wrong decision late in the game costs them the four points?

Sounds over-the-top but I reakon that's where we're headed.

Also, the timekeepers - not the umpires - have to be entrusted in determining when the quarter ends from now on. Surely?

And not just the final quarter, but ALL quarters.

Because it's not altogether uncommon for players to kick goals after the siren has sounded, even if it's only a fraction of a second late.

Ball must have come off boot before siren sounds unless a free has been awarded as far as I knew

That's right - what happens now if a player kicks a goal within a second or two after the siren. The umpire has heard the siren but hasn't had time to signal the end of the quarter. Until now the goal has always counted. This decision throws that into doubt.

[smac]

Firstly, I agree that it is a valid arguement that the rules have not been adhered to in this case.

Personally, I would have been disappointed in the direction the game was heading in if the draw were left to stand.

[Aerie]

Good on St. Kilda for not taking any further action. The decent thing has been done. Anyone who thinks the decision the AFL made was wrong, is what is wrong with the world today! Rules and laws are put in place as a guide, but commonsense and decency should always prevail.

In this case, the game was over when the siren was sounded. The faults were in the siren being quiet and the time-keeper not continuing to sound it. There were no wrong decisions made by the umpires on the field. The umpires involvement is a non-issue.

Nothing more should come of this. In what appeared to be a massive AFL stuff up on Sunday evening has turned out to show the AFL, St. Kilda and Fremantle Football Clubs have done a brilliant job in how they have handled the situation. Hopefully all other clubs will follow in their footsteps and the game will be better for it.

Collingwood, take note.

[Punk Rooster]

Good on St. Kilda for not taking any further action. The decent thing has been done. Anyone who thinks the decision the AFL made was wrong, is what is wrong with the world today! Rules and laws are put in place as a guide, but commonsense and decency should always prevail.

In this case, the game was over when the siren was sounded. The faults were in the siren being quiet and the time-keeper not continuing to sound it. There were no wrong decisions made by the umpires on the field. The umpires involvement is a non-issue.

Nothing more should come of this. In what appeared to be a massive AFL stuff up on Sunday evening has turned out to show the AFL, St. Kilda and Fremantle Football Clubs have done a brilliant job in how they have handled the situation. Hopefully all other clubs will follow in their footsteps and the game will be better for it.

Collingwood, take note.

WTF has it got to do with Collingwood? This detracts from an otherwise sensible discussion.

[Aerie]

Good on St. Kilda for not taking any further action. The decent thing has been done. Anyone who thinks the decision the AFL made was wrong, is what is wrong with the world today! Rules and laws are put in place as a guide, but commonsense and decency should always prevail.

In this case, the game was over when the siren was sounded. The faults were in the siren being quiet and the time-keeper not continuing to sound it. There were no wrong decisions made by the umpires on the field. The umpires involvement is a non-issue.

Nothing more should come of this. In what appeared to be a massive AFL stuff up on Sunday evening has turned out to show the AFL, St. Kilda and Fremantle Football Clubs have done a brilliant job in how they have handled the situation. Hopefully all other clubs will follow in their footsteps and the game will be better for it.

Collingwood, take note.

WTF has it got to do with Collingwood? This detracts from an otherwise sensible discussion.

In a general sense I was referring to Collingwood with regards to their stance on playing jumpers. Both the away jumper controversy and their arrogance against Port Adelaide. They think they are bigger than the game. St. Kilda do not.

I'm not saying that clubs should not challenge the AFL if they believe an injustice has been done, but every Tom, Dick and Harry can see they are making fools of themselves and turning the rest of the football world against them with their belief that black and white stripes are their god-given right.

[Magpiespower]

WTF has it got to do with Collingwood?

Perhaps the 1980 Escort Cup Grand Final when the Pies were robbed when North's Kerry Goode kicked a goal a lifetime after the final siren, which went unheard by the two umpires.

Eddie mentioned it yesterday - if not the result being overturned then at least an asterix put in the record books to show that Collingwood actually won the game.

I thought he was taking the urine at first, but now I'm not so sure...