The Tasmanian Siren Fiasco

[Magpiespower]

Aplogies to John Birmingham - nah, stuff that, it was a crap book, but I digress.

What a disaster!

Freo robbed of a win because of a crap PA system.

Tassie shouldn't host another AFL game until someone goes down to JB/Tandy/Dick Smith/Strathfield Car Radio and buys a blower.

Disgraceful.

[sydney-dog]

Comedy hour

Surely before you allocate AFL games to venues such as Aurora, you need to ensure 1. the surface is fit to play on, and 2. other supporting systems such as the PA system meet the minimum standard.

Why didn't the time keeper keep blowing the siren until the umpires had acknowledge that they had heard the siren.

Fremantle were harshly done by, but a memo to their players, you should on focused on playing the game out instead of ten players standing flat footed protesting, if you had done this, you still may of kept the four points

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That the siren wasn't still going is quite bewildering. A number of times in the past this has happened and the siren has continued to sound both in the SANFL and the VFL. I can't see the result being overturned, I don't think the AFL will have the guts to do it, if a reversal of score after a match can be done.

[stan]

That the siren wasn't still going is quite bewildering. A number of thimes in the past this has happened and the siren has continued to sound both in the SANFL and the VFL. I can't see the result being overturned, I don't think the AFL will have the guts to do it, if a reversal of score after a match can be done.

This is a big test for the AFL, can they stand up and make the correct decesion?

The answer will most likly be no. Sorry freo, your are hardly done by and deserve the points. What freo should do is talk to collingwood and get eddie to have a word to his AFL mates, thats probably the best way to og about it. lol

[Strawb]

it was just a plain joke lets see what the AFL will offer and could freo take the result to court. Because stupid results like this cause missed finals and a loss of $$$$ at the end of the year. Wake up AFL replace the siren it is like Westies time cloke a joke.

[Mr66]

The AFL will get away with this abomination because the rule states that the game is over when
the umpire blows his whistle and raise both arms. This clearly didn't happen until after Baker's second kick.
And I follow the idiotic saints.

[Booney]

Clearly this will be one of the biggest stories of the season.The players,from both sides,reacted to the siren sounding.The umpire in charge at no point decided to consult one of his fellow officials for their opinion,and it appears in the ensuing minutes none of the umpires could be sure they heard the siren as nobody could make a decision and stick to it.To then have a super soft free kick paid after the end of the game was even more remarkable as that passage of play should not have been recognised in the first place,how Baker got one shot let alone two is beyond me.

With Freo needing every point they can get and the 'Ainters once again underachieving this will be an interesting few days.But as some one has already pointed out,when the umpire blows his whistle and raises his arms that signifies the end of the game.Hard luck Docker boys.

[sydney-dog]

bottom line is, the AFL will not change the result, i
f it happened in the VFL, SANFL or WAFL, these leagues governing bodies also would not over rule the result.

the rules of the game clearly state the game ends when the controlling umpire hears the siren, not when the crowd, commetators or viewers hears the siren.

no doubt Freo was harshly done by and if I was associated with the club I too would be spewing, but the League needs to focus on the root cause which is the siren / pa was not lound enough and why didn't the time keeper keep blowing the siren until it was heard.

If the league over turns the result it will open a huge can of worms and I do not think any football league in this country would do so.

Watching it on tv you could see the clock run down but you can not hear the siren

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The rule actually states that when any field umpire hears the siren he calls full time, and the game is over. The umpire controlling the play does not need to consult anyone if he hasn't heard it. Instead if a field umpire away from the play calls full time and the field umpire controlling the play doesn't hear that or the siren, then the game is still over, because any field umpire can call full time.

[sydney-dog]

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then i am assuming that none of the field umpires heard the siren as none of the other umpires ran to the field umpire to advise him that the siren had sounded.........

this would mean the result will stand

did anyone watching the game hear the siren, because i didn't

[Mr66]

Just watched the replay on FoxFooty. Michaels Roberts,the Channel 9 boundary rider, said he didn't hear it and it
was apparent all day that it couldn't be heard.
Interesting that the Freo players put their hands up indicating a win while only one STK player (Ball) slumps over in
defeat. Mind you, the camera angle doesn't show every STK players reaction.
I couldn't hear it and neither could the 9 commentary team.
This shouldn't happen in Australia's premier sporting comp.

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then i am assuming that none of the field umpires heard the siren as none of the other umpires ran to the field umpire to advise him that the siren had sounded.........

this would mean the result will stand

did anyone watching the game hear the siren, because i didn't

Yes, the result would probably stand, despite a protest by Fremantle. I don't think the AFL would change the result, but I'm not exactly sure if they can.

The field umpires are the sole judge of hearing the siren, the boundary and goal umpires have no say in it.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I've been to a number of games over the years where the crowd was at fever pitch, next thing all the players throw their hands in the air and start celebrating .... I hadn't heard the siren, so I wasn't sure how the players and umpires had. The 1978 SANFL Grand Final is a classic example. They really need to make sirens that are clearly audible and obvious to all.

The AFL's hands are tied for two reasons. One, they are bound to uphold the laws of the game, and secondly there have been dividends paid out on the TAB for a draw, and they can't alter the result now.

[stan]

The fact that the siren could not be heard is a clear indication that Tasmania is not ready for AFL football.

[RustyCage]

That the siren wasn't still going is quite bewildering. A number of times in the past this has happened and the siren has continued to sound both in the SANFL and the VFL. I can't see the result being overturned, I don't think the AFL will have the guts to do it, if a reversal of score after a match can be done.

Theres no way the result should be changed. The match isn't over until the umpires signal the game is over after hearing the siren. Freo shouldn't have stopped.

[PhilG]

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[Mr66]

There is a PRECEDENT for this type of debacle.
To quote the AFL's own book '100 Years of VFL/AFL football' (1996):
"11 May 1900 - St.Kilda won their first game for over three years last night, when
the VFL changed the result of last Saturday's match against Melbourne.
The final score is now St.Kilda 10.8.68 to 9.13.67
This game ended as a draw - but St.Kilda disputed a behind allowed at the end of the third quarter.
Arthur Sowden of Melbourne passed the ball to team-mate Dick Wardill, but the bell rang as the ball was in flight,
and before Wardill took the mark and kicked a behind.
As both teams agreed to these facts, the VFL was able to make the unusual decision to alter the result of a game
- to the jubilation of the struggling Saints"

Can of worms or Pandora's Box?

[Brad]

Id be mighty annoyed if I was a dockers supporter, player coach etc......

They were robbed no question........

AFL show some Balls!

[sydney-dog]

PAFC1870
mate I agree, no doubt freo have been harshly done by but they should of played the game out, the game is not over until the umpire signals the game as over

[Interceptor]

The fact that the siren could not be heard is a clear indication that Tasmania is not ready for AFL football.

That's a bit harsh stan!
If I remember correctly, The AFL got the SANFL to modify the Footy Park siren after a match a number of years ago.
Same thing will happen here.
Result will stand I suspect.