TELSTRA DOME OR TELSTRA DOOM injury curse.

[mal]

TELSTRA DOME OR TELSTRA DOOM.

The debate once again continues as to whether TD is SAFE for
AFL footballers to play on.
There seems to be a spate of leg related injuries occuring with
alarming frequency at this venue.
Main tenants SK + WB have several long term leg injury concerns.
SK in particular have had a wretched run now for a few years.
Leg injuries are sustained on all AFL venues but seemingly more
often at the dubious TD staduim.
There is merit in suggesting that SK MAY have a lack of expertise
with thier training methods and this MAY contribute to thier woes.

ROUND 11 AFL has claimed more victims.

GRANT[WB] knee.
LAYCOCK[ES] knee cartilage.
WINDERLICH[ES] fractured lower leg.

My focus is purely on statistics and face values.
Can anyone collaborate further whether Telstra DOOM is up to standard.

[Punk Rooster]

Some pretty specious reasoning there Mal...
Of course players are going to get injured, & the sheer weight of games at Telstra dictate that injuries will happen there!
(ie if 60 games p/year are at Telstra, & 2 at Aurora (Tas), then of course Telstra will have more injuries)
Is the MCG notorious for neck injuries? I haven't seen players get neck injuries at any other ground!

[mal]

PR

Excellent point about the ratio of games.
That's one reason for sure, more games more injuries.

176 games played this year, and 50 odd played at the DOOM.

[mighty_tiger_79]

i noticed the bulldogs have four or five out on long term knee injuries, the stat came up when Grant went down in the third quarter of yesterdays game.

my question is did they all obtain there injuries at the house of doom?

[dinglinga]

mal is the job for u

2007 – AFL research applications
4:17:18 PM Fri 2 June, 2006

The Australian Football League is seeking applications from individual researchers or groups interested in applying for funding for research projects relating to Australian Football. The AFL Research Board, through consultation with its peak bodies, has identified priority areas of interest.

The board will prioritise funding for projects to start in January 2007 that may be selected from:


Groin injuries – validation of clinical effi cacy of standardised tests.

Shoulder injuries – management of gleno-humeral or acromio-clavicular injuries.

Injury status, management and education programs for young players and their coaches entering the AFL talent pathway.

The mechanism of on-fi eld incidents causing severe injury and on-fi eld management of severe injuries at the AFL level.

Heat – monitoring the effect of heat on player performance at the AFL level.


The AFL Research Board would also welcome proposals on topics other than those listed that would enhance the development of the game.

All applications must include the purpose of the study, methods, budget summary, timeline and approval from the institution’s ethics committee.

[mighty_tiger_79]

for MAL to be interested in that position he would need the topic

INJURIES AT TELSTRA DOOM

[Wedgie]

10 years ago didn't people in the AFL used to complain about the amount of injuries at Subiaco?

Previous to that they used to complain about the muddy MCG (aka Tony Hall) on injuries.

Personally I think its a non issue.

[dinglinga]

maybe a new one ...injuries at a airport

[sydney-dog]

Mal

I actually find it humerous that every time that a leg injury occurs at the TD you raise your unsafe surface theory

lets agree with three games per round at the TD their will be injuries, if you want to prove your theory how about providing some real data rather then round by round injury snap shots.

please tell us over the last three years how many injuries have occured at TD compared to other games, can we categorise these injuries from minor to serious

2-3 rounds back we had 6 or 7 serious injuries at the MCG, we did not hear boo from you

[mal]

S-DOG

And Steve Waugh pulled a hamstring in England playing cricket.
And Scott Welsh pulled a muscle playing for West at Richmond .
You pick out and itemise the MCG how many more grounds to you
want , I only have one oval.
Actually you had better put Subiaco on your list of multiple leg
injuries ovals as well.

And just for the record my 'AINTS boys pulled off a great win
at the SCG and guess what....no one got a leg injury.

Compare other grounds if you must but catergorise each ground
on an individual basis and compare the leg injuries with the DOOM.
You might find several that will compare with the DOOM but overall
the DOOM will be the measuring stick.

And concentrate on LONG TERM injuries as well.

[heater31]

im with s-dog on this one mal, you can't keep on using week to week data to prove your theory of leg injuries and the dome, it needs to be over a period of considerable time (eg 2 or 3 years) and then compare it to other grounds.



ps if your theory is correct and their and more injuries at the dome i can provide one possible reason why. think about what is underneath the playing surface.

[mal]

HEATER31

Have you got 'CONCRETE' evidence.[underneath]

Would be interesting to get the data over a longer period.
This year is diabolical to date.[MCG +SUBIACO bad also]

[heater31]

spot on mal, if that does make a difference then the tool who thought of that idea needs his head read

[sydney-dog]

Mal

News Flash
Leg injuries have always been an issue even way before TD

As stated before, the data required to make any conclusive assessment is quite frightening, you not only need to know where the injuries occured but also how and have an understanding of any other contributing factors

Mal, in all seriousness, both Brisbane and Adelaide too have had horour injury runs this season, so do we safe AAMI and the Gabba are unsafe, the Pies up to a week ago had a dream run to the first half of the season and they have played a lot of their games at TD....

By taking these high level snap shots allows you to create a debate but you require a lot more data before any conclusions can be proved

[mal]

S-DOG

Spot on we need statistical evidence over a period of time
Im with you on that point, win draw or lose I would be
gracious in defeat or exonerated on the evidence.
Its been wonerful debating the DOOM in particular with you
over the last few weeks under various posts.

Maybe we have both overlooked one aspect to this issue.
TD is played in dry conditions more often then other grounds.
The tempo of each game is probably quicker hence the greater
chance of leg related injuries.
Sydney who have remained injury free for a long time this
year and last year play on a smaller ground and play a style
of footy which negates free flowing faster footy.

I would love to find out what happens predominantly at the DOOM
Is it the CONCRETE below the grass ? as HEATER 31 suggests.

Great point on CO being injury free this year.
However they did have a horror run with leg injuries last year
Nathan Buckley had a wretched year with his hamstring but I
dont know which oval he first ruined it in.

And kust mabe the point raised on the DOOM by PUNK ROOSTER
may well be the common denominator and that is there are 50 odd
games played at the venue in a 176 game minr round season.

Maybe SPELL CHECK or ECKY can intervene with the stats that matter.

[Punk Rooster]

I would actually "blame" Buckley's hamstring on his age (wear & tear), rather than a particular ground.
I really think leg injuries are "avoidable" with conditioning, maintenance & warming/stretching up being extremely important.

[mal]

PR

Past your bedtime.

Another good point raised and that is a lot of the guys
getting injured are in the mature aged bracket.
Any idea where Bucks did the hammy.

[Rik E Boy]

S-DOG

And Steve Waugh pulled a hamstring in England playing cricket.
And Scott Welsh pulled a muscle playing for West at Richmond .
You pick out and itemise the MCG how many more grounds to you
want , I only have one oval.
Actually you had better put Subiaco on your list of multiple leg
injuries ovals as well.

And just for the record my 'AINTS boys pulled off a great win
at the SCG and guess what....no one got a leg injury.

Compare other grounds if you must but catergorise each ground
on an individual basis and compare the leg injuries with the DOOM.
You might find several that will compare with the DOOM but overall
the DOOM will be the measuring stick.

And concentrate on LONG TERM injuries as well.

Don't worry malcontent, Your lot of tragics will be back at the Domea55 soon enough MEDICS!!

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247176

Unless this chap is mal of course Surely 'our' mal wouldn't get himself banned from Aintsational. That takes some doing.

regards,

REB

[mighty_tiger_79]

Famous Telstra Dome quotes.

July 2005 "like rolled mud" Leigh Colbert.

"I pull up 10-20 % sorer after a game at the Dome." Nick Riewoldt on the Footy Show.

June 2003 " By far the worst in the afl." Michael Voss.

May 2005 "What a shocker that ground is." Matthew Pavlich.

They are comments made by some big names.

apparently a couple of seasons ago the Brisbane Lions put in an official complaint about the ground. You would have thought people would have listened given they were the dominating team during that time!!!!!!!!!

why did the aussie cricketers wear footy boots when they played the world 11 last year, surely if the surface is that good they would have got away with cricket boots.