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Melbourne have officially applied for a priority pick......

If you don't ask you don't get but really can't see too many other clubs been ok with this. But they would be unlikely to get it in my opinion.

Under the old rules it was under 4 wins in two years they will finish with 5. But not one wooden spoon GWS will probably trade melbourne for it and have picks 3 and 4 anyway

What a joke if they get it!

the joker wrote:Under the old rules it was under 4 wins in two years they will finish with 5. But not one wooden spoon GWS will probably trade melbourne for it and have picks 3 and 4 anyway

Not sure about that. GWS has had a stack of first round picks, I don't think they would go chasing them now. I think they will try and consolidate and maybe get anothet mature player.

Reckon they're a good chance they get it. I kinda hope they do in terms of hopefully seeing them competitive again one day, but imho they don't deserve it. They are in this position purely out of continual mismanagement so it doesn't seem right that they get rewarded for it.

Would sh*t me if they are awarded it.

Clubs such as Hawthorn and Port (im sure there have been others that I have omitted), have been made to re-build their lists from the bottom up, with no priority picks. In ports circumstance, were made to re-build in the middle of a compromised draft.

This mob have had more than enough top end picks to generate a substantial rebuild, and astute drafting and Melbourne certainly do not belong in the same sentence, not to mention the fact one can argue, that development of the talent they do have is hardly worth promoting.

Make them re-build like every other club has to. If you bugger up your selections- live by the sword, die by the sword.

can't polish a turd ...

valleys07 wrote:Would sh*t me if they are awarded it.

Clubs such as Hawthorn and Port (im sure there have been others that I have omitted), have been made to re-build their lists from the bottom up, with no priority picks. In ports circumstance, were made to re-build in the middle of a compromised draft.

This mob have had more than enough top end picks to generate a substantial rebuild, and astute drafting and Melbourne certainly do not belong in the same sentence, not to mention the fact one can argue, that development of the talent they do have is hardly worth promoting.

Make them re-build like every other club has to. If you bugger up your selections- live by the sword, die by the sword.

Didn't the Hawks grab one of Roughead or Buddy via a priority pick?

JK wrote:

valleys07 wrote:Would sh*t me if they are awarded it.

Clubs such as Hawthorn and Port (im sure there have been others that I have omitted), have been made to re-build their lists from the bottom up, with no priority picks. In ports circumstance, were made to re-build in the middle of a compromised draft.

This mob have had more than enough top end picks to generate a substantial rebuild, and astute drafting and Melbourne certainly do not belong in the same sentence, not to mention the fact one can argue, that development of the talent they do have is hardly worth promoting.

Make them re-build like every other club has to. If you bugger up your selections- live by the sword, die by the sword.

Didn't the Hawks grab one of Roughead or Buddy via a priority pick?

Correct, in the 2004 draft Deledio, Roughead and Griffen were taken via the priority pick.

As for Melbourne being entitle to a priority pick or not is open to hearty debate.

They have however taken the opportunity to put their hand out on the back of a shithouse performance against primarily an U21 side.

If they had asked for this after the 4 point loss to Port, 3 point win over Adelaide or 1 point win over Essedon, would anyone have even listened?

Tell 'em to get stuffed!

JK wrote:

valleys07 wrote:Would sh*t me if they are awarded it.

Clubs such as Hawthorn and Port (im sure there have been others that I have omitted), have been made to re-build their lists from the bottom up, with no priority picks. In ports circumstance, were made to re-build in the middle of a compromised draft.

This mob have had more than enough top end picks to generate a substantial rebuild, and astute drafting and Melbourne certainly do not belong in the same sentence, not to mention the fact one can argue, that development of the talent they do have is hardly worth promoting.

Make them re-build like every other club has to. If you bugger up your selections- live by the sword, die by the sword.

Didn't the Hawks grab one of Roughead or Buddy via a priority pick?

I stand corrected JK. Remove them in that case.

In fairness- clubs such as Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn etc. were given priority picks within the rules back in the 2000's. That I don't have an issue with. It does grind my gears when a club has had ample opportunity to build a list, buggers it up and asks for more help via draft concessions, and the AFL potentially could approve it.

Is there a rule under which Melbourne are applying to the AFL for this pick, other than the fact they are perennial cellar dwellers?

Are priority picks back on the board because the AFL privately have concerns that Free Agency only benefits the better clubs whilst potentially being detrimental to the cellar dwellers?

Priority picks :

2000 - Nick Reiwoldt

2001 - Luke Hodge, Luke Ball, Chris Judd

2002 - None

2003 - Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia

2004 - Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen

2005 - Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Xavier Ellis

2006 - None

2007 - Matthew Kreuzer

2008 - None

2009 - Tom Scully

Fully compromised from here with GC and GWS coming in.

JK wrote:Are priority picks back on the board because the AFL privately have concerns that Free Agency only benefits the better clubs whilst potentially being detrimental to the cellar dwellers?

How does the priority pick assist them then?

Say a Darcy Moore was on the table and Melbourne took him with their priority pick, where he may have gone to a GWS without that pick in place. If Melbourne develop him into a starin the making at 21, what is to stop Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon, Sydney etc, swooping in with their cheque book, offer him a 6-7 year deal @ 800k a season, leaving Melbourne in no better position?

Booney wrote:Priority picks :

2000 - Nick Reiwoldt

2001 - Luke Hodge, Luke Ball, Chris Judd

2002 - None

2003 - Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia

2004 - Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen

2005 - Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Xavier Ellis

2006 - None

2007 - Matthew Kreuzer

2008 - None

2009 - Tom Scully

Fully compromised from here with GC and GWS coming in.

So a few were handed out in the 2000's!

Why was the rule changed post 2009?

Yeah Port and Hawthorn had to rebuild but Melbourne are well and truly shithouse. Even Roosy can't do anything wit this mob. The expansion teams snaffled their draft picks and free agency snaffled their experience. Next year they lose Frawley (hope we don't take him on recent efforts) so that would make Frawley, Rivers and Sylvia gone to FA with Scully famously getting poached by the Giants.

Melbourne were in a worse position than Port ever where and the last time I checked, their experienced players elected to stay. Hawthorn, while not great in the Schwab era were no worse than Geelong in 1999 before good teaching coaches in Clarkson and Thompson came through and brought a young group through together. Those young groups had some players who had been at the club for awhile and new at least a semblence of success (Crawford, Graham). Melbourne has none of the above and will fold within three years if that is all they can dish up.

regards,

REB

valleys07 wrote:

JK wrote:Are priority picks back on the board because the AFL privately have concerns that Free Agency only benefits the better clubs whilst potentially being detrimental to the cellar dwellers?

How does the priority pick assist them then?

Say a Darcy Moore was on the table and Melbourne took him with their priority pick, where he may have gone to a GWS without that pick in place. If Melbourne develop him into a starin the making at 21, what is to stop Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon, Sydney etc, swooping in with their cheque book, offer him a 6-7 year deal @ 800k a season, leaving Melbourne in no better position?

From memory he would need to be in the system longer than that to become a FA. The thinking is probably that a young gun is still most likely to spend a minimum of 6 years (or whatever the qualifying period is) with the club and possibly much longer should they become more successful over that time. The successful clubs are the only ones that are ever going to pick up a bonefide star, meaning the lesser clubs likely get further depleted. Buddy for example could have been offered $1.5mil a year to go to Melb but there's next to chance he would take that deal. Between FA, fixturing, inquitable salary cap/living allowances, it's a difficult task for a club that' seriously rock-bottom, to rebuild. Sure some clubs have managed it, but Melbourne clearly isn't one of them. As REB has said, the existence of the club is possibly at stake here.

JK wrote:

valleys07 wrote:

JK wrote:Are priority picks back on the board because the AFL privately have concerns that Free Agency only benefits the better clubs whilst potentially being detrimental to the cellar dwellers?

How does the priority pick assist them then?

Say a Darcy Moore was on the table and Melbourne took him with their priority pick, where he may have gone to a GWS without that pick in place. If Melbourne develop him into a starin the making at 21, what is to stop Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon, Sydney etc, swooping in with their cheque book, offer him a 6-7 year deal @ 800k a season, leaving Melbourne in no better position?

From memory he would need to be in the system longer than that to become a FA. The thinking is probably that a young gun is still most likely to spend a minimum of 6 years (or whatever the qualifying period is) with the club and possibly much longer should they become more successful over that time. The successful clubs are the only ones that are ever going to pick up a bonefide star, meaning the lesser clubs likely get further depleted. Buddy for example could have been offered $1.5mil a year to go to Melb but there's next to chance he would take that deal. Between FA, fixturing, inquitable salary cap/living allowances, it's a difficult task for a club that' seriously rock-bottom, to rebuild. Sure some clubs have managed it, but Melbourne clearly isn't one of them. As REB has said, the existence of the club is possibly at stake here.

Ok- some good points there JK/REB. Thanks for that.

Obviously Melbourne are partly to blame for poor draft choices and mismanagement, but is this a sign the AFL is trying to table a solution for the potential error that is free agency? One that we may not yet understand the ramifications?

Or do people genuinely believe that FA is doing the game (not the players) some good?

I agree that things like fixturing and inequitable salary cap allowances play a part too.

valleys07 wrote:

Booney wrote:Priority picks :

2000 - Nick Reiwoldt

2001 - Luke Hodge, Luke Ball, Chris Judd

2002 - None

2003 - Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia

2004 - Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen

2005 - Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Xavier Ellis

2006 - None

2007 - Matthew Kreuzer

2008 - None

2009 - Tom Scully

Fully compromised from here with GC and GWS coming in.

So a few were handed out in the 2000's!

Why was the rule changed post 2009?

I think it was made harder to receive a pick and you had to request it, not just be given one because you are shit.

The Dees have given up on 2014 and Sunday was a sad reflection on the whole group.

Like REB said, Frawley will move to whoever offers him the most and they'll be rudderless down back without him and impotent up front without the option of sending him there.

Very dark days ahead for the Dees, just when it looked like Roos was taking them somewhere they fall in a heap again.

As difficult as it is for me to admit it, Melbourne now are considerably better than Port circa 2011.

Wasn't that long ago the Demons beat the Crows at AO.

It will be a sham if Melbourne get a priority pick - or more specifically a 1st round pp. For the record, I think Port got Ebert with a second round priority pick. That (a 2nd round pp) would be something I wouldn't strongly oppose.