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Re: Carlton

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:37 pm

JK wrote:Yeah I get the angst and don't disagree with it, just wondering if he was still on supporter's "shit list"or whether more recent performances had earned him a level of redemption


better now I think. Most supporters I know have been pretty happy with him since the start of 2018 when his body and his on field leadership have shone through.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:41 pm

JK wrote:Yeah I get the angst and don't disagree with it, just wondering if he was still on supporter's "shit list"or whether more recent performances had earned him a level of redemption

Recent performances like?
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Re: Carlton

Postby JK » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:46 pm

Looks a decent performance to me
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Re: Carlton

Postby Jim05 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:22 pm

Still reckon the Roos/Voss combo will get the gig unfortunately for Carlton fans
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Re: Carlton

Postby Spargo » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:33 pm

Jim05 wrote:Still reckon the Roos/Voss combo will get the gig unfortunately for Carlton fans


I agree.
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Re: Carlton

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:35 pm

Jim05 wrote:Still reckon the Roos/Voss combo will get the gig unfortunately for Carlton fans


They’ll set us back further than what Malthouse did.
Never understood the love affair with Roos either.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Jase » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:13 pm

Spargo wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Still reckon the Roos/Voss combo will get the gig unfortunately for Carlton fans


I agree.
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Re: Carlton

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:21 pm

Jim05 wrote:Still reckon the Roos/Voss combo will get the gig unfortunately for Carlton fans


Whilst the jury is out on the Roos/Goodwin handover, you would think we would take a more careful approach than to rush into this arrangement.
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Re: Carlton

Postby beef » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:32 am

The issue i have with Roos is its a 2 or 3 year hand over deal. So again we are not trying to win and looking to the future. Been rebuilding for 20 years. List age wise will be better in 3 years but also won't have Simpson Murphy Thomas Kruezer so no guarantee any better.
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Re: Carlton

Postby MW » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:32 am

Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed
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Re: Carlton

Postby caleb777 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:38 am

The next 4 weeks will be really telling for Carlton IMO. Our last 7 weeks have been great and its awesome to win games but apart from the Brisbane game all of our wins have been against teams that are not in form. Freo - trash, Sydney - rebuilding, Adelaide - pile of crap, GC - even larger pile of crap. Yes they are good wins especially the wins in Sydney and Perth but im not 100% sold since our best players are still including Curnow, Murphy and Simpson. No disrespect to them but we need them to be playing smaller roles and we get a win. There has been some massively good signs from Silvagni, Setterfield and obviously Walsh but im just not there yet. We still have a lot of growth left.
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Re: Carlton

Postby woodublieve12 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:54 am

MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


pardon???
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Re: Carlton

Postby Dutchy » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:47 am

MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


Tend to agree :shock:

Won 51% of games coached
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Re: Carlton

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:01 am

Dutchy wrote:
MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


Tend to agree :shock:

Won 51% of games coached


Won a flag at Sydney with a squad full of talent, I think Longmire has done batter with less talent at his disposal.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Dutchy » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 am

plus had the COLA ;)
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Re: Carlton

Postby MW » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:08 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


pardon???


You heard me ;)
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Re: Carlton

Postby Booney » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:24 pm

Dutchy wrote:
MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


Tend to agree :shock:

Won 51% of games coached


Around 66% at Sydney, his numbers are skewed by taking over the basket case that was/is Melbourne.

Having said that, in 2005 when they won it only 3 teams scored less than them in the season proper and they won finals with 7, 15 and 8 goals. As he played is as he coached, defence first.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Jim05 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:28 pm

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
MW wrote:Roos is the most overrated coach that has ever existed


Tend to agree :shock:

Won 51% of games coached


Around 66% at Sydney, his numbers are skewed by taking over the basket case that was/is Melbourne.

Having said that, in 2005 when they won it only 3 teams scored less than them in the season proper and they won finals with 7, 15 and 8 goals. As he played is as he coached, defence first.

And we have him to thank for Lyon, Longmire and his other defence first disciples
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Re: Carlton

Postby marbles » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:07 pm

caleb777 wrote:The next 4 weeks will be really telling for Carlton IMO. Our last 7 weeks have been great and its awesome to win games but apart from the Brisbane game all of our wins have been against teams that are not in form. Freo - trash, Sydney - rebuilding, Adelaide - pile of crap, GC - even larger pile of crap. Yes they are good wins especially the wins in Sydney and Perth but im not 100% sold since our best players are still including Curnow, Murphy and Simpson. No disrespect to them but we need them to be playing smaller roles and we get a win. There has been some massively good signs from Silvagni, Setterfield and obviously Walsh but im just not there yet. We still have a lot of growth left.


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Re: Carlton

Postby gadj1976 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:28 pm

beef wrote:The issue i have with Roos is its a 2 or 3 year hand over deal. So again we are not trying to win and looking to the future. Been rebuilding for 20 years. List age wise will be better in 3 years but also won't have Simpson Murphy Thomas Kruezer so no guarantee any better.


The pres said that our plans haven't changed, we'll be bringing someone in to win games. To me that means, no training period, no training wheels, no initiation, no rebuild.

If Roos or someone else was to come in it would be as a mentor, not as coach.

Our list is in good shape. We have depth for the first time in years.

I'd love to see Roos/Teague or even an Eade/Teague combo. Someone to help a fledgling coach. Note, this type of in club mentoring seems to not work as it this position doesn't exist or hasn't been proven to exist within club ranks to date.

Collingwood tried. We tried. Both failed and weren't replaced.
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