Port Adelaide 2019

[Magellan]

When did we get a Krispy Kremes in Adelaide?

July 2014.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/west-beaches/krispy-kreme-is-to-open-its-first-sa-store-on-july-15-creating-5000-doughnuts-an-hour/news-story/d61eb6c3f24bf1c0e634ef74f4aa6d70

[UK Fan]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

How come crows haven’t experienced the same dramatic loss of fans if it’s just because it’s new ??

Are you suggesting PAFC forecast a 23% drop in crowds in the first 5 years of Adelaide Oval and everything is on track. I guess we will see in the financial reports.

KT sounds concerned about members dropping off.

https://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/20 ... f-our-club

[woodublieve12]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

How come crows haven’t experienced the same dramatic loss of fans if it’s just because it’s new ??

Are you suggesting PAFC forecast a 23% drop in crowds in the first 5 years of Adelaide Oval and everything is on track. I guess we will see in the financial reports.

KT sounds concerned about members dropping off.

https://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/20 ... f-our-club

you seem more concerned about crowd numbers and membership than anyone on the board or any fan!!!

[Trader]

CGAF > immediately asked pertinent question.

Is there a bigger spanner on this site? I'll wait.

Didn't think so.

CGAF about China and what appear to be figures that could only be considered “ball park” at best.

I would of thought reconnecting with members who have walked away in droves would be priority number one for the club atm.

I'd consider securing the financial future for any football club priority number one. 10K fans (although hypothetical) leaving doesn't even come close to the potential millions to be made from the China relationship.
On a side note: Fans who 'walk away' from any club are not fans, they're spectators.

I couldn't care about the Port situation but interested in general what 10K (I don't know how accurate that number is) would mean to a sporting club.

Let say out of those 10k lets say 75% of them were casual ticket purchases not members so we are left with 7500 the average cost of a ticket is $30 and they are guaranteed to play 11 home games a year. 7,500 x 30 x 11- $2,475,000

Let say each of those 82,500 who haven't showed up (7,500 x 11 home games) were going to spend $10 (very conservative) in the café/merch. $825,000 presuming they mark up 100% (its probably more) the loss of income would be around $400,000

A drop of 10,000 attendances could very conservatively be a loss of around 3mil a year on just entrance costs.

Full credit to people who run/manage football clubs having to deal with such fluctuations in numbers/finances based around performance which is so much out of your own control.

My understanding is those match day tickets go to the AFL, not to the home club (or at least a higher percentage??).
That's why clubs try so hard to sell 3 game memberships, as they keep the cash, rather than it going to the AFL.

Smaller crowds also mean less costs (don't open all food outlets, pay a smaller amount to the Govt for the footy express, etc.)

So the drop off to the club's bottom line would be less than $3m, but nevertheless, it's still a big impact!!

[mots02]

When did we get a Krispy Kremes in Adelaide?

July 2014.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/west-beaches/krispy-kreme-is-to-open-its-first-sa-store-on-july-15-creating-5000-doughnuts-hour/news-story/d61eb6c3f24bf1c0e634ef74f4aa6d70

Maybe a sponsorship opportunity with Port is possible?

A joint statement from PAFC and Krispy Kremes:

"After some initial hysteria related to some people's attraction to new shiny things, we've both been on a decline in popularity since 2014 - we think there's some great synergy between our brands and the type of people we attract"

[Dutchy]

Port made $500k revenue from China in 2019 if I read that correctly, is that before or after costs?

In an AFL world where clubs turnover $60-$100m even if it is profit its not huge $$$ for the effort, or are they still playing to long game here?

After costs, $500k contributed to the bottom line.

Are they still playing the long game, is that a rhetorical question? Of course it's the long game, you're hardly going to invest that level of resources into the strategy to make $500k in one year then turn your back on it. It has always been about increasing revenue streams from non-traditional revenue streams.

If that $500k can turn into $1m in two years, $2m in the years after and contribute to a positive financial result and paying debt down then the strategy is working. Just 4 years in and I feel as though the club will be more than happy with the results to date, particularly given the infrastructure now in place does not need reinvestment in the short term.

OK so $500k profit, be interesting to see if this is cream on the top of their general operations profit for the year or they need this just to tread water.

Agree if they can turn this into something bigger its worthwhile, if they can't then they need to ditch it.

[LMA]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

How come crows haven’t experienced the same dramatic loss of fans if it’s just because it’s new ??

Are you suggesting PAFC forecast a 23% drop in crowds in the first 5 years of Adelaide Oval and everything is on track. I guess we will see in the financial reports.

KT sounds concerned about members dropping off.

https://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/20 ... f-our-club

Crows crowds have been consistent through their life, what was Ports crowds at Footy Park? Only an idiot with an axe to grind would think Port averaging 44k 2 years out of 22 is where they should be at. I have said it before, our attendance vs membership ratio is comparable to most clubs in the comp.

[Booney]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

How come crows haven’t experienced the same dramatic loss of fans if it’s just because it’s new ??

Are you suggesting PAFC forecast a 23% drop in crowds in the first 5 years of Adelaide Oval and everything is on track. I guess we will see in the financial reports.

KT sounds concerned about members dropping off.

https://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/20 ... f-our-club

Crows crowds have been consistent through their life, what was Ports crowds at Footy Park? Only an idiot with an axe to grind would think Port averaging 44k 2 years out of 22 is where they should be at. I have said it before, our attendance vs membership ratio is comparable to most clubs in the comp.

Adelaide crowds are down 4000 from 2014 to 2019.

[LMA]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

How come crows haven’t experienced the same dramatic loss of fans if it’s just because it’s new ??

Are you suggesting PAFC forecast a 23% drop in crowds in the first 5 years of Adelaide Oval and everything is on track. I guess we will see in the financial reports.

KT sounds concerned about members dropping off.

https://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/20 ... f-our-club

you seem more concerned about crowd numbers and membership than anyone on the board or any fan!!!

It's his Porn

[LMA]

When did we get a Krispy Kremes in Adelaide?

July 2014.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/west-beaches/krispy-kreme-is-to-open-its-first-sa-store-on-july-15-creating-5000-doughnuts-hour/news-story/d61eb6c3f24bf1c0e634ef74f4aa6d70

Maybe a sponsorship opportunity with Port is possible?

A joint statement from PAFC and Krispy Kremes:

"After some initial hysteria related to some people's attraction to new shiny things, we've both been on a decline in popularity since 2014 - we think there's some great synergy between our brands and the type of people we attract"

Who doesn't love a donut. Your members even sit on them.

[LMA]

Oh dear, haven't we been through this already. Doesnt take a genius, nor a smart man even, to realise that in the first few years of something new (AO development) you always get interested parties initially until the novelty has waned. How many people are still queuing up at Krispy Kremes at Hindmarsh. Port attendance figures are down but only a fool would compare them now to 2014.

So the China experiment is currently in it's prime then as it's still relatively new?? Doesn't bode well for the future then.

Shit comparison, even your other name could do better than that.

[mots02]

When did we get a Krispy Kremes in Adelaide?

July 2014.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/west-beaches/krispy-kreme-is-to-open-its-first-sa-store-on-july-15-creating-5000-doughnuts-hour/news-story/d61eb6c3f24bf1c0e634ef74f4aa6d70

Maybe a sponsorship opportunity with Port is possible?

A joint statement from PAFC and Krispy Kremes:

"After some initial hysteria related to some people's attraction to new shiny things, we've both been on a decline in popularity since 2014 - we think there's some great synergy between our brands and the type of people we attract"

Who doesn't love a donut. Your members even sit on them.

And yet they are less fragile when it comes to regularly attending games than your mob

[amber_fluid]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

[Booney]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

[amber_fluid]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

And this is why the coach should have been moved on too.
2020 with a new coach and expectations to play finals the following year with a new game plan.

Blind Freddy can see that Hinkley has lost the plot and the playing group.

[LMA]

Maybe a sponsorship opportunity with Port is possible?

A joint statement from PAFC and Krispy Kremes:

"After some initial hysteria related to some people's attraction to new shiny things, we've both been on a decline in popularity since 2014 - we think there's some great synergy between our brands and the type of people we attract"

Who doesn't love a donut. Your members even sit on them.

And yet they are less fragile when it comes to regularly attending games than your mob

More members = More crowd

[LMA]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

And this is why the coach should have been moved on too.
2020 with a new coach and expectations to play finals the following year with a new game plan.

Blind Freddy can see that Hinkley has lost the plot and the playing group.

Can you tell Ol' Fred that Betts has past his expiry date, I don't think he's seen it yet.

[Dutchy]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

Sounds just like Brisbane's recruiting strategy 10+ years ago, why is Vossy held in such high regard?

[Booney]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

Sounds just like Brisbane's recruiting strategy 10+ years ago, why is Vossy held in such high regard?

By who?

[amber_fluid]

China is more important than falling attendances or heaven forbid actually playing finals.

I'm resigned to the fact we won't for a year or two.

They realised they ****** up at the end of 2017 with Watts,Rockliff,Motlop and that the group we had through '18 wasn't going to get us into contention. We've gone hard at the '18 draft, going hard again at this draft with the intent to turn the list over ASAP.

I still don't agree with the Howard trade, never will but I see they wanted high end draft picks to aim at young talent ( which Howard is ) and it wouldn't bother me if they came out and said the "moneyball" of the 2017 trade period didn't work and we're resetting. They don't have to, really, we can see it unfolding in front of us.

And this is why the coach should have been moved on too.
2020 with a new coach and expectations to play finals the following year with a new game plan.

Blind Freddy can see that Hinkley has lost the plot and the playing group.

Can you tell Ol' Fred that Betts has past his expiry date, I don't think he's seen it yet.

The Betts marketing ploy will bring in more coin than the China ‘experiment’, with a lot less effort too.