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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:29 am

Booney wrote:Tell me if I'm wrong here, please.

Collingwood trade Treloar, picks 26,33 and 42 (1687 points) for pick 14 and future 2nd rounder ( we'll call it pick 30, for points value - 1790 points ). So let's call the points even, for arguments sake.

As such Treloar for pick 14, does that pass the "pub test" when taking into account the AFL Integrity Unit sign off on all trades being fair and "market value"? For mine, it doesn't, again, tell me if you think I'm wrong.

So the AFL basically sign off on a trade that allows Collingwood to dump some salary so they either a) don't end up going over the TPP in coming years or b) end up having a stacked top end TPP and nothing at the bottom end, basically have 5 blokes on mega money and 10-15 at the bottom end on scraps leaving them (probably) uncompetitive.

Then the AFL allow them and the Bulldogs an extension on the lodging of paper work to make sure they don't go over the TPP and spread the wage of Treloar out to best suit their needs.

As I said, tell me if you think I'm wrong here.


I think Treloar is equal to pick 14.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Booney » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:41 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:I think Treloar is equal to pick 14.


That's clearly the point that has the most bearing on my theory. I think he's worth more than pick 14.

When he was traded from GWS to Collingwood in 2015 :

Treloar and pick 28 to Collingwood
Pick 7, 65 and pick 7 in 2016.

So he cost Collingwood 2 first rounders.

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2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Spargo » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:51 am

Jim05 wrote:Have noticed the last few days that we are really being conditioned to Burns opening and Pucovski missing out completely. Always amazed how CA constantly trots out the ex players to defend them. Ponting was the latest to side by CA although it was hard to hear him as he voice was muffled from being so far up CA’s arse


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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Spargo » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:53 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Handy team

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How shit is Gallucci if he still can't make that list?

Considering Jacobs has barely played the last few years also...
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:54 am

Booney wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I think Treloar is equal to pick 14.


That's clearly the point that has the most bearing on my theory. I think he's worth more than pick 14.

When he was traded from GWS to Collingwood in 2015 :

Treloar and pick 28 to Collingwood
Pick 7, 65 and pick 7 in 2016.

So he cost Collingwood 2 first rounders.

He averages 28 touches, 5 tackles and 5 clearances a game.


Sorry, I'm a bit slower today.

I'm probably not the best judge of the draft anyway, I think it's a load of poop, how many top 20 draft picks end up being mediocre players and then there's the hidden gems that get picked up in the 70's.

Give me a 50 gamer 21 year old any day.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:54 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Handy team

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How shit is Gallucci if he still can't make that list?

Injured ;)
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:55 am

Spargo wrote:Considering Jacobs has barely played the last few years also...

Yeah, you'd have him over Trengove in the ruck any day, I'd still have Trenners starting on the field.

Port may still pick him up and rookie list him.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:56 am

Brodlach wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:How shit is Gallucci if he still can't make that list?

Injured ;)

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Trader » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:14 am

Booney wrote:Tell me if I'm wrong here, please.

Collingwood trade Treloar, picks 26,33 and 42 (1687 points) for pick 14 and future 2nd rounder ( we'll call it pick 30, for points value - 1790 points ). So let's call the points even, for arguments sake.

As such Treloar for pick 14, does that pass the "pub test" when taking into account the AFL Integrity Unit sign off on all trades being fair and "market value"? For mine, it doesn't, again, tell me if you think I'm wrong.


I think your summary is wrong. (I'm working on the assumption that all they are getting is Pick 14 and the future 2nd rounder you mentioned above).

Collingwood give up: Treloar, picks 26, 33 and 42 or (Treloar & 1687 points).
Collingwood get: Pick 14 (1161) and Future Pick 30 (629pts) = 1790points.

In short, collingwood give up treloar and get a NET 103points, or the equivalent of pick 64.

Collingwood haven't given up Treloar for Pick 14, they've given him up for pick 64!!!!!

I agree it doesn't pass the sniff test!!!
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Booney » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:24 am

Your take is worse/better than mine! :lol:
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:24 am

Trader wrote:I think your summary is wrong. (I'm working on the assumption that all they are getting is Pick 14 and the future 2nd rounder you mentioned above).

Collingwood give up: Treloar, picks 26, 33 and 42 or (Treloar & 1687 points).
Collingwood get: Pick 14 (1161) and Future Pick 30 (629pts) = 1790points.

In short, collingwood give up treloar and get a NET 103points, or the equivalent of pick 64.

Collingwood haven't given up Treloar for Pick 14, they've given him up for pick 64!!!!!

I agree it doesn't pass the sniff test!!!


You'd be the best judge, it's right up your alley.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby whufc » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:41 pm

Booney wrote:Tell me if I'm wrong here, please.

Collingwood trade Treloar, picks 26,33 and 42 (1687 points) for pick 14 and future 2nd rounder ( we'll call it pick 30, for points value - 1790 points ). So let's call the points even, for arguments sake.

As such Treloar for pick 14, does that pass the "pub test" when taking into account the AFL Integrity Unit sign off on all trades being fair and "market value"? For mine, it doesn't, again, tell me if you think I'm wrong.

So the AFL basically sign off on a trade that allows Collingwood to dump some salary so they either a) don't end up going over the TPP in coming years or b) end up having a stacked top end TPP and nothing at the bottom end, basically have 5 blokes on mega money and 10-15 at the bottom end on scraps leaving them (probably) uncompetitive.

Then the AFL allow them and the Bulldogs an extension on the lodging of paper work to make sure they don't go over the TPP and spread the wage of Treloar out to best suit their needs.

As I said, tell me if you think I'm wrong here.


I'm more steering towards they had already breached the salary cap and the AFL requested them to get back between the flags this off season or they will face punishment.

Given they haven't won a flag during this period does the AFL really want to be dealing with a Salary Cap breach scandal on the back of the season they have just had.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby tigerpie » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:36 pm

If they'd already breached the cap then it would be leaked all over the place by the AFL by now.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby JK » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:58 pm

tigerpie wrote:If they'd already breached the cap then it would be leaked all over the place by the AFL by now.
Its Collingwood. Cop a huge fine for the AFL coffers, they'd love it.


There was a story getting around his contract was heavily back ended at his own insistence to stop an ex getting her hands on a sizeable chunk of his income. F*** knows how true but a $300k discount in a coupla years time off $1.2mil (for eg) probably still not ideal for the Dags (best read in Brad Pitt pikey mode)
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:50 pm

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Armchair expert » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:51 pm

James Frawley has signed with the Saints
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:29 am

Brodlach wrote:MItch Hinge officially signs with the Crows as a DFA

The Crows should target Daw, I reckon them two would work well together.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:31 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Brodlach wrote:MItch Hinge officially signs with the Crows as a DFA

The Crows should target Daw, I reckon them two would work well together.

There’s plenty of knobs already there


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