i've done this exercise......mal

[bayman]

well i see you have this record of the backing up horses & i've asked you not to put in the horses that had no hope regardless of whether they had backed up or not & after asking you twice you have refused so i've done this exercise for the day including the no hopers as well

r1 the whole field did not back up so $1 e/w results in a cost $14 with the return of $6.40 = -$7.60
r2 no's 2,3,4,6,7,8,9 cost $14 with the return of $15.00 = +$1.00
r3 field cost $12 with the return of $4.70 = -$7.30
r4 no's 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $6.50 = -$9.50
r5 no's 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 cost $18 with the return of $10.50 = -$7.50
r6 no's 3,4,6,7,8 cost $10 with the return of $3.00 = -$7.00
r7 no's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 cost $16 with the return of $6.80 = -$9.20
r8 no's 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $4.00 = -$12.00
r9 no's 1,3,4,5,6,7 cost $12 with a return of $2.40 = -$9.60

total spent $128.00
total collects $59.30

TOTAL LOSS $68.70

ALSO DID YOU KNOW THE WINNER OF RACE 8 AT STAWELL TODAY (FOX STREET) RACED AT MOONEE VALLEY YESTERDAY ???

MAL YOU CAN THROW FIGURES LIKE YOU DO TO SUIT YOUR ARGUEMENT & I'VE DONE EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU IN REVERSE

NOW I'LL SAY IT AGAIN MOST NOT ALL HORSES ARE CAPABLE OF BACKING UP & A LOT OF HORSES BACKED UP WELL TODAY & JUST TO SEE IF I'M WRONG I'LL DO THIS EXERCISE AGAIN NEXT WEEK

[mighty_tiger_79]

i dont like the idea of that system, especially after today losing so much money.

maybe we can break it down and only back horses racing off a 7 day break, regardless of how good they may be to racing all the time.

maybe we can restrict it to backing horses whose last start was at the same track/distance?

[mighty_tiger_79]

i thought that every horse in the race had a chance!!!!!!! others may be better then others of course!!

[bayman]

yes mt that system is as stupid as mals system when you include horses that can not win at the outset your obviously are going to lose just as with mals system if he were honest & fair dinkum he would've agreed to not putting in no hopers in his system to make it TRULY FAIR but he wont so i just proved it the other way

[bayman]

i thought that every horse in the race had a chance!!!!!!! others may be better then others of course!!

theoretically yes but as you know you can put the line through some as they are either no good,poorly drawn, have a poor driver on board etc

[mal]

well i see you have this record of the backing up horses & i've asked you not to put in the horses that had no hope regardless of whether they had backed up or not & after asking you twice you have refused so i've done this exercise for the day including the no hopers as well

r1 the whole field did not back up so $1 e/w results in a cost $14 with the return of $6.40 = -$7.60
r2 no's 2,3,4,6,7,8,9 cost $14 with the return of $15.00 = +$1.00
r3 field cost $12 with the return of $4.70 = -$7.30
r4 no's 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $6.50 = -$9.50
r5 no's 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 cost $18 with the return of $10.50 = -$7.50
r6 no's 3,4,6,7,8 cost $10 with the return of $3.00 = -$7.00
r7 no's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 cost $16 with the return of $6.80 = -$9.20
r8 no's 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $4.00 = -$12.00
r9 no's 1,3,4,5,6,7 cost $12 with a return of $2.40 = -$9.60

total spent $128.00
total collects $59.30

TOTAL LOSS $68.70

ALSO DID YOU KNOW THE WINNER OF RACE 8 AT STAWELL TODAY (FOX STREET) RACED AT MOONEE VALLEY YESTERDAY ???

MAL YOU CAN THROW FIGURES LIKE YOU DO TO SUIT YOUR ARGUEMENT & I'VE DONE EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU IN REVERSE

NOW I'LL SAY IT AGAIN MOST NOT ALL HORSES ARE CAPABLE OF BACKING UP & A LOT OF HORSES BACKED UP WELL TODAY & JUST TO SEE IF I'M WRONG I'LL DO THIS EXERCISE AGAIN NEXT WEEK

Lets go through this another time :

I AGREE SOME HORSES CAN BACK UP + WIN, IVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES
BUT I AM not good enough TO WORK OUT WHICH ONES CAN.
THE TRAINER KNOWS IF THE HORSE IS FIT + SOUND ENOUGH I DONT.
From a punting perspective that makes it guess work

FOX STREET WINS and as f.....g usual you isolate a time when it happens.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN 1 LOUSY POST FROM YOU TELLING ME WHICH ONES
DO NOT BACK UP AND WIN

4 WINNERS AT GDP WON BACKING UP TODAY
ONE PAID $5-80 ONE PAID $7-60

THE ONE THAT PAID $5-80 4 OF THE 7 RUNNERS WERE BACKING UP
THE ONE THAT PAID $7-60 3 OF THE 9 RUNNERS WERE BACKING UP

You POST to suit yourself.

PS there is a question I am asking you AGAIN in the GDP12/02/07 preview
the question Ive been waiting for an answer for months.

[bayman]

well i see you have this record of the backing up horses & i've asked you not to put in the horses that had no hope regardless of whether they had backed up or not & after asking you twice you have refused so i've done this exercise for the day including the no hopers as well

r1 the whole field did not back up so $1 e/w results in a cost $14 with the return of $6.40 = -$7.60
r2 no's 2,3,4,6,7,8,9 cost $14 with the return of $15.00 = +$1.00
r3 field cost $12 with the return of $4.70 = -$7.30
r4 no's 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $6.50 = -$9.50
r5 no's 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 cost $18 with the return of $10.50 = -$7.50
r6 no's 3,4,6,7,8 cost $10 with the return of $3.00 = -$7.00
r7 no's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 cost $16 with the return of $6.80 = -$9.20
r8 no's 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9 cost $16 with the return of $4.00 = -$12.00
r9 no's 1,3,4,5,6,7 cost $12 with a return of $2.40 = -$9.60

total spent $128.00
total collects $59.30

TOTAL LOSS $68.70



MAL YOU CAN THROW FIGURES LIKE YOU DO TO SUIT YOUR ARGUEMENT & I'VE DONE EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU IN REVERSE



Lets go through this another time :



You POST to suit yourself.

PS there is a question I am asking you AGAIN in the GDP12/02/07 preview
the question Ive been waiting for an answer for months.

post to suit yourself you say, no i post to prove your 'record' is wrong as i put up look above &
the ? in gdp 12/2 i have answered before & now i've answered again

[mighty_tiger_79]

so both systems fail and punters lose overall!!!!!!!!!