ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

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ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mal » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:20 pm

DOGS OVER-RACED ???????????
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There has been a cordon of posts made on the relativity of over-racing dogs
Some agree its too much, some are unsure , others say its OK
Here are the stats [fairly accurate] on the AP 21/6 meeting for the 11 races


GRADE.......LAST RUN -7 DAYS.........ONE WEEK OFF +

GRADE5..............4.................................4
GRADUATION.......5.................................3
GRADE4..............3.................................5
GRADE5...............4................................4
OPEN600M...........3................................5
MIXED 3/4............4................................4
MIXED 1/2/3.........1................................7
GRADE4................2................................6
grade5 non penalty..8...............................0
GRADE5.................6...............................2
GARDE5.................3...............................5

88 DOGS
43 ARE RACING WITH -7 DAYS
45 ARE RACING WITH 7+ DAYS

Something I have noticed and shows up Thursday night
The best race the grade 1/2/3 has 7 dogs who have had 7+ days off
The worst race the G5 non penalty has 0 dogs with 7+ days off
QUESTION
Is it a coincidence the best dogs in the higher grades are not over-raced ?

WHEELER DOGS
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Trainers Lisa Rasmussen and Shaun Matcott do the wheeler dealer production line here.
RAS has 10 dogs and 7 running with less than 7 days off
MAT has 12 dogs and 8 running with less than 7days off
Wheeler has 15 dogs running

Between them thats 7 dogs who have had one week + off
After further investigation 5 of the 7 are not Wheeler dogs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are
WARRIOR JET
WITH DIGNITY
BARON ALLEN
MISS GABBY
CHIEF BRAVEHEART
all are good performers as well, some making higher grades.

DEDUCTION
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When RAS + MAT train for WHEELER they must train these dogs as is.[as much as]
When RAS + MAT train for other owners they are trained more sparingly.
We see a trend perhaps, its not the trainers its the owners.
COLLINS + ROONEY I am sure in saying were also instructed to train as Wheeler asks ?

EXCEPTIONS TO THE OVER-RACE RULE
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Exceptional trainer Peter Jovanovic gets some of his dogs to race -7 days
He can get away with it because he checks his dogs thoroughly and is
one of the very best in detecting if a dog is sore.
Some others are good as well , HOCKLEY checks them well.

CLUBS RESPONSIBLE ?
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There was a time when dogs would race like this
race 3 weeks in a row, once a week
have 2 weeks off
= 3 runs in a month
Thats the way the several old timers would race a dog
And coincidently we had better dogs back then [pre 1990]
BEAT THE GRADER
When clubs introduced beat the grader it encouraged trainers to race
mondays and thursdays to win 2 grade 5s in a week.
How absurd is that
Just make it beat the grader the following week 7 days away.

PREVIEW
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Chatter

R4-9 ROCK COOL DADDY [rasmussen] a victorian dog who has been
reserve monday night and thursday night, bit unfair as still has not raced in SA

R5-6 COLOUR ME HAPPY
will be scratched, copped 28 days for marring [whats marring ???????????}

R7-4 SKULL MURPHY
back in town after a close 2nd in the QLD DERBY heats last week
lets watch the new champ in action

BEST BETS
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R3-4 RUTLAND REASON [T MURRAY]
None of this beat the grader for this A grader trainer
It won last thursday had 7 days off [as Troy does 95% of the time approx.]
Going from g5 to g4 which can be a concern
But will be going from a g4 to a g3 next start :wink:
WIN
AND IF IT WINS IM SURE TROY WILL :drinkers: :partyman: :drinkers: :partyman:

good luck on the punt
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:33 pm

didnt the best bet win last night?
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mal » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:52 pm

Dutchy wrote:didnt the best bet win last night?


nO
SoMe Ew BEtS rAn a PlAcE bUt No WiNnErS

Going to be frugal and be patient with my selective process
Less tips more winners I hope.
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:56 pm

mal wrote:
Dutchy wrote:didnt the best bet win last night?


nO
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Going to be frugal and be patient with my selective process
Less tips more winners I hope.


no i menat Rutland Reason ran and won last night didnt it?
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mal » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:14 am

RUMFORD REASON the Paul Barry dog won last night
RUTLAND REASON is the Troy Murray dog running thursday night.
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby vicgirl » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:33 pm

Paul Wheeler does not involve himself in the training of the dogs at all the only time you hear from him is if he wants to send you a dog. Alot of people have tried to mass breed and have failed to have the success of Paul, He is a great owner who truely loves greyhounds he is very approachable and if you want to talk to him i will pm you his ph number so you can give him a call and discuss his dogs if you want.

Mal i think you will find the higher graded dogs have 7 days off because there is no need to 'beat the grader' once you have won the 5s and 4s. The average dogs or brad and butter dogs go round week in week out because they are only average and for them to survive they have to earn some money and with the ordinary prizemoney in SA to maximize a dogs earnings you have to 'beat the grader'
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:22 pm

if anybody wants my selections pm me and ill get back to you.

probably wont be on after 3ish
Matty Wade is a star and deserves more respect from the forum family!
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mal » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:38 pm

vicgirl wrote:Paul Wheeler does not involve himself in the training of the dogs at all the only time you hear from him is if he wants to send you a dog. Alot of people have tried to mass breed and have failed to have the success of Paul, He is a great owner who truely loves greyhounds he is very approachable and if you want to talk to him i will pm you his ph number so you can give him a call and discuss his dogs if you want.

Mal i think you will find the higher graded dogs have 7 days off because there is no need to 'beat the grader' once you have won the 5s and 4s. The average dogs or brad and butter dogs go round week in week out because they are only average and for them to survive they have to earn some money and with the ordinary prizemoney in SA to maximize a dogs earnings you have to 'beat the grader'


Concede merit to your post
Beat the grader should be abolished
And if Wheeler dogs are raced twice a week in grade 4s what then ?

RESULTS BETS BETS
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Rumford Reason wins at $1-90
Troy Murray had the opportunity to beat the grader with this dog
But he didnt he gave this dog a week off instaed
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby Dutchy » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Rumford reason all up into Scull Murphy = $4.11 :shock: :shock:

unbelievable value....both dogs paid overs IMO,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby mal » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:04 pm

Dutchy wrote:Rumford reason all up into Scull Murphy = $4.11 :shock: :shock:

unbelievable value....both dogs paid overs IMO,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


You may not have realised it Dutchy but you probably
backed the best 2 dogs in South Australia.
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby Dutchy » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:33 pm

mal wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Rumford reason all up into Scull Murphy = $4.11 :shock: :shock:

unbelievable value....both dogs paid overs IMO,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


You may not have realised it Dutchy but you probably
backed the best 2 dogs in South Australia.


yeah but i gotta wait a 7 days+ before i can back them again

Has Vicgirl got any to compete with these top liners?

Why did Scull pay black figures????...unbelievable, esp with a wide runner on its outside
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby vicgirl » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:49 am

no i dont think so hopefully i have 2 who should make it to top grade but they are injury prone so its doubtful one is a 30 20 dog at meadows and ones 25 30 at warn so they should be competetive but my others are either slow early 600m types or 300m flyers which hopefully i can place here and not bring with me. and then i have pups which are a few months away from racing but look like they will make handy dogs if thier box manners improve. Basically i think u are all going to hate me coz my dogs are not much good hopefully my pups are better


Pm me i will send you a list of what im bringing with me and you can tell me if you think they will make it
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Re: ANGLE PK 21/06/07 + interesting stats on dogs over-raced

Postby Dutchy » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:09 am

maybe you could train a SAFooty syndicate dog for us!!!
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