globe derby monday 16/7/2007

[bayman]

overall tricky meeting so tread warily

r1 9 a good thing & for multis 4,5,6,7,8
r2 too hard watch the market with 2,4 but besides that 3,5,10 then 7,8 but stay out
r3 main chances 2,8,10
r4 chances 1,7,8,10,11,12 in another open event, for betfair i'd lay the 9 at anything under double figures
r5 main chances 1,2,3 for multis 6,7, another betfair lay is the 9 it didn't have much peace last week but it still dissapointed me in its effort
r6 4 a good thing but i hate the colors it wears, for multis 1,2,3,5,8,10
r7 chances 1,4,6,8,9
r8 5 looks the goods again, main dangers 1,4 & for multis 2,6,8
r9 big watch on 6,7 apart from that 5 on top from 1,2,3 but stay out

suggested bet(s)
r1 no 9 win
r6 no 4 win
r8 no 5 win

betfair lays
r4 no 9 (if its less than double figures lay)
r5 no 9 (i'd lay it at anything shorter than 6/1)

good luck on the punt & now to watch the tigers jump into the 5 & beat mals mob today

[G]

I hate to go against Bayman BUT R1 no. 9 is an absolute LAY in my opinion.
Its drawn the outside of the 2nd row over 1800m with Keturah Nelson on board and if its relatively short - represents NO value.

[Dutchy]

good work G, now give us some more tips!!!

[centreman]

Fair Call G But some would say after Sat Night when Jones kicked away on Nutha Lignum and got beat Some might be happy to have KETURAH ABOARD!!!! (Jones Drove Malhana Destroyer last start)

I'm Sure Mal Will Defend Jones Drive. He's Always blowing his trumpet. (Swear they are Related)

Good Call Dutchy, Bout time G put some tips forward instead of sitting back an sponging off of everyone else!!!!!!!!


Few tips if there E/Way
Race 2 No.5
Race 3 No.1
Race 9 No.5 (may be win only price)

Specials
Race 4 No.7 (must deal with 2 stable mates is only concern)
Race 8 No.5

[SCD]

Agree with the G man on this one....
9 is value if > $5 - it's the only way i'm backing it with her on.. that won't be happening and I wouldn't be betting in the race given I think it's the best horse with the worst driver..

No full preview (haven't had time)
R3 - 7 e/w (went really good last week after early mistake and field not that strong)
R4 - 7 win (should be improved by 1st go at a stand and is racing really well) - like your comment though Centreman
R6 - 4 (lay it) - was disappointed with it's run last time + the 1 will lead and run along at 30seconds quarters - I think it will be way too short and the race will be set up for a Precipation or Carnival Rose
R8 - 5 win - should lead and be too quick for these
R9 - 1 e/w - D Harding will make it shorter, but it's going ok and race isn't strong...

Centreman - your comment on Nutha Lignum is spot on (i didn't want to say anything cause I didn't want MAL to start defending him!!) It was a poor tactical decision to kick away when the death and 3 wide line were gone..

[mal]

HARNESS HARP
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NUTHA LIGNUM driven by S JONES
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SCD + CENTREMAN you are both intelligent and good trotting judges
but you need to know the facts about the JONES drive on Nutha Lignum
I discussed tactics with Jones and how the race would pan out
The [1] GLENYS GLORY we expected to be 3rd on the pegs
[2] NUTHA LIGNUM was to lead it
[8] GUNBARRELL STARIGHT was to be one out one back or 5th pegs
[4] PETRIA was to be in the breeze
The plans were unstuck when the [1] missed the start
[2] NL led [4] P in the death [8] GS 3rd the pegs

After an early burn NL led with the only danger GS on its back
GS has as we know a paraylising 200m sprint and the one to beat
JONES had 3 decisions
Go for home at the 400
Go for home at the before the turn
Go for home in the straight

No matter what happened GS would outsprint him
Many on course experts thought he should not have let GS out before the turn
Those who know there horses like JONES/MAL know no matter what GS had NL beaten

Perhaps if he took off at the 400m, but then hes a sitting shot for the field in the straight.

NOT EVEN HOLLYWOOD HARDING COULD HAVE WON ON NUTHA LIGNUM.


THE JUGGERmalNAUT + OZTREOS
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Had a brief chat to Crayfish Joey Buttieg
TJ was raring to go and a special on saturday night
OZ was only 75% fit and needed the run, and can be excused for its loss at $1-20 fav.


SMARTER THAN SIMMO/THEO/STEVE PAPAS
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Former SAFOOTY poster was on course saturday night
He misses being on the site and stirring a few of us up
The lad is largely misunderstood and is a nice person in real life
Do we give him one more chance ??????????????????????????

SIMON JONES
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Leaving for NZ in 2 weeks time
Had a few drinks with his mates last night
Some of those guys have to drive at GDP today
Hmn hope they steer straight

[mal]

LATE MAL
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R4-5 DR DRE[$4-50]
MALpet BAD BOY NITRO looks the winner, but will be odds on
DR DRE was a big run last start when it took on ZERRAFOS/FIRE+BRIMESTONE for the lead
DD finished 4th , but a good effort after being set an impossible task
EW if we get close to EW odds
MALODDS
BBN $1-80
DD..$3-00


OTHER RACES COMMENTS
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R1-9 malHANA DESTROYER looks the winner on default
G has slandered the driver, but there are no superstar drivers in this race
All Nelson has to do is make sure it dosent gallop + the horse will be in the finish

R5-1 CELESTIAL VISION
With Hollywood Harding in the cart will be in the finish

R7-8 VILLA TIRANO
Top run last week when had a hard run and still won
If he gets to the death cheaply will be hard to beat

R8
Dunno if I would take odds on ASSERT
If the other drivers gang up and hunt up early Assert may not be a cert.

Good luck. good day to watch only

[Dutchy]

I hate to go against Bayman BUT R1 no. 9 is an absolute LAY in my opinion.
Its drawn the outside of the 2nd row over 1800m with Keturah Nelson on board and if its relatively short - represents NO value.

great call G, didnt see or hear the race what happened to it?

[mal]

I hate to go against Bayman BUT R1 no. 9 is an absolute LAY in my opinion.
Its drawn the outside of the 2nd row over 1800m with Keturah Nelson on board and if its relatively short - represents NO value.

great call G, didnt see or hear the race what happened to it?

It was $1-70 favourite which was shocking odds to take
Should have been about $3-00
Never in it, I think it was interfered with
$1-70 a trotter in a tr0 or tr1 race is suicidal
G would be a betfair beneficiary

[mal]

LATE MAL RESULTS
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1 BET
1 WINNER

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DOCTOR
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DRE WINS
PAPER $4-50
TAB $3-20

FIGMAL does it again

Yes a $3-20 winner just for BOONEY

And what a run 3 wide with a lap to go instead of 1000 to go

ca ching ca ching ca ching

ANY2 RESULTS
BBN + DD

UNI $1-00
SUPERTAB $3-00

[SCD]

HARNESS HARP
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NUTHA LIGNUM driven by S JONES
---------------------------------

SCD + CENTREMAN you are both intelligent and good trotting judges
but you need to know the facts about the JONES drive on Nutha Lignum
I discussed tactics with Jones and how the race would pan out
The [1] GLENYS GLORY we expected to be 3rd on the pegs
[2] NUTHA LIGNUM was to lead it
[8] GUNBARRELL STARIGHT was to be one out one back or 5th pegs
[4] PETRIA was to be in the breeze
The plans were unstuck when the [1] missed the start
[2] NL led [4] P in the death [8] GS 3rd the pegs

After an early burn NL led with the only danger GS on its back
GS has as we know a paraylising 200m sprint and the one to beat
JONES had 3 decisions
Go for home at the 400
Go for home at the before the turn
Go for home in the straight

No matter what happened GS would outsprint him
Many on course experts thought he should not have let GS out before the turn
Those who know there horses like JONES/MAL know no matter what GS had NL beaten

Perhaps if he took off at the 400m, but then hes a sitting shot for the field in the straight.

NOT EVEN HOLLYWOOD HARDING COULD HAVE WON ON NUTHA LIGNUM.

You're not serious are you MAL???
I know Simon reads these forums, but be honest for a minute...
I'm the first one to wrap him up when he drives well (i'm not knocking him for one poor drive either - far from it, just saying it was an error in judgement), but you have to admit when he has an error in judgement - junior drivers have them, that's why they are junior drivers...

So either you're telling me that Simon didn't know the 1 had galloped at the start??
IN which case - If he didn't then he should have a licence.
Or he did know it had galloped - then why did he kick away??
Gunbarrel Straight picked him up 15m before the post (he kicked 400m from home) so I don't care how often you say it / think it - he would not have got beat if he holds it up!!! the sprint lane is only 125 - 150m in length, the way Nutha Lignum was going compared to the death and 3wide horse - he should have held up until the lane and kick just before it came into play (making it harder for Gunbarrel Straight to outsprint him) rather then leaving himself a sitting shot for a good little sit-sprinter...

[SCD]

No full preview (haven't had time)
R3 - 7 e/w (went really good last week after early mistake and field not that strong)
R4 - 7 win (should be improved by 1st go at a stand and is racing really well) - like your comment though Centreman
R6 - 4 (lay it) - was disappointed with it's run last time + the 1 will lead and run along at 30seconds quarters - I think it will be way too short and the race will be set up for a Precipation or Carnival Rose
R8 - 5 win - should lead and be too quick for these
R9 - 1 e/w - D Harding will make it shorter, but it's going ok and race isn't strong...

Good day on the punt today!!
Precipation in the 3rd was a silly price...
Quaddie paid super @ $7,300 (12.5% of it).. had it for $1.50 if Badboy nitro won the first leg.. but still a really good day on the punt - hope you blokes got on at the odds...

[bayman]

I hate to go against Bayman BUT R1 no. 9 is an absolute LAY in my opinion.
Its drawn the outside of the 2nd row over 1800m with Keturah Nelson on board and if its relatively short - represents NO value.

great call G, didnt see or hear the race what happened to it?

at the 1.70 you couldn't have backed it i had it at 5/2 & thought it couldn't miss money & would probably win, if it was 5/2 yes i would have been on but when i heard on the radio that dammarrell wasn't there yet (3 minutes before the jump) & it was 1.60 on the tote, i thought well i wont be ringing up for this race, thankgod for the dalmation $54 winner magnificent the only problem was i didn't have enough on, & if grandiose won i get the first 4, bloody port colors they never ever do you/me a favour

[mal]

HARNESS HARP
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NUTHA LIGNUM driven by S JONES
---------------------------------

SCD + CENTREMAN you are both intelligent and good trotting judges
but you need to know the facts about the JONES drive on Nutha Lignum
I discussed tactics with Jones and how the race would pan out
The [1] GLENYS GLORY we expected to be 3rd on the pegs
[2] NUTHA LIGNUM was to lead it
[8] GUNBARRELL STARIGHT was to be one out one back or 5th pegs
[4] PETRIA was to be in the breeze
The plans were unstuck when the [1] missed the start
[2] NL led [4] P in the death [8] GS 3rd the pegs

After an early burn NL led with the only danger GS on its back
GS has as we know a paraylising 200m sprint and the one to beat
JONES had 3 decisions
Go for home at the 400
Go for home at the before the turn
Go for home in the straight

No matter what happened GS would outsprint him
Many on course experts thought he should not have let GS out before the turn
Those who know there horses like JONES/MAL know no matter what GS had NL beaten

Perhaps if he took off at the 400m, but then hes a sitting shot for the field in the straight.

NOT EVEN HOLLYWOOD HARDING COULD HAVE WON ON NUTHA LIGNUM.

You're not serious are you MAL???
I know Simon reads these forums, but be honest for a minute...
I'm the first one to wrap him up when he drives well (i'm not knocking him for one poor drive either - far from it, just saying it was an error in judgement), but you have to admit when he has an error in judgement - junior drivers have them, that's why they are junior drivers...

So either you're telling me that Simon didn't know the 1 had galloped at the start??
IN which case - If he didn't then he should have a licence.
Or he did know it had galloped - then why did he kick away??
Gunbarrel Straight picked him up 15m before the post (he kicked 400m from home) so I don't care how often you say it / think it - he would not have got beat if he holds it up!!! the sprint lane is only 125 - 150m in length, the way Nutha Lignum was going compared to the death and 3wide horse - he should have held up until the lane and kick just before it came into play (making it harder for Gunbarrel Straight to outsprint him) rather then leaving himself a sitting shot for a good little sit-sprinter...

For starters both Simon and I did not think BEFORE the race that Gunbarrell
Straight would be behind the leader
GS got 3rd on the pegs when the [1] GG galloped out
Both Simon and I after the race both agreed that to sprint in the straight was
not the best alternative
Gunbarrell Straight has a fantastic little sprint
By taking off just before the turn was the only alternative
Petria in the death was knackered
Nutha Lignum was slightly fired up and pulling, Simon could not hold it back, had no choice.

GS was always going to beat NL
Drive was acceptable

BAYMAN the 3rd umpire needs to intervene

[bayman]

he made a decision & now gets crucified, i'd rather a driver do that than half go grab hold & go again thus 'confusing' the horse, if he 'pinched' the race he would be a genius but now as he got run down he is a clown, really there wasn't much wrong with the drive, & if there was NO CHEAT LANE he would've won but seriously not much wrong with the drive & i'll add if he knew gunbarrel was on his back he did do the right thing as to make it chase him rather than get outpinged by him in the straight

[mal]

John Crawford broke his virginity
His first winner as a driver today
Congratulations, may be a turning point in his career.

[G]

Centreman, thats my contribution for another month now.
Back to the old , tried and proven system of following the one and only FIGMAL. When your on a good thing, stick to it.

[mal]

Centreman, thats my contribution for another month now.
Back to the old , tried and proven system of following the one and only FIGMAL. When your on a good thing, stick to it.

You prob didnt take the LATE MAL seriously when you first came on the site
But like the others you have learnt that I am the best.
You can be one of my disciples as well

[G]

I refuse to become a disciple if I suffer the same fate as a couple of your previous ones. eg. Smarter than Simmo / Stavros Pappas etc.

[SCD]

he made a decision & now gets crucified, i'd rather a driver do that than half go grab hold & go again thus 'confusing' the horse, if he 'pinched' the race he would be a genius but now as he got run down he is a clown, really there wasn't much wrong with the drive, & if there was NO CHEAT LANE he would've won but seriously not much wrong with the drive & i'll add if he knew gunbarrel was on his back he did do the right thing as to make it chase him rather than get outpinged by him in the straight

I'm not having a go - and I didn't either Bayman..
I am saying I don't think he made the right decision at the time...

My view is I would rather a horse hold up when the only danger is on their back and maybe get run down on the lane by it - then kick away and get tired the last 100m and get run down... but each to their own...

I watched the replay and he kicked 400m from home.. GS pulled off his back 300m from home and beat him in the last 15m as NL got tired... If he kicks at the 150m (where the sprint lane starts) then he (in my opinion probably wins the race) - but I understand why he did it and just said in my opinion it was an error in judgement...

I personally think you guys are overestimating the ability of GS and how quick it sprints, I don't think it necessarily goes "Bang" but rather takes 50 - 100m to wind up before finishing off strong, at which case NL wins, but I don't own or train the horse - and Simmo does drive well, if I needed a junior on a horse of mine, id be more then happy to have simmo on my horse, I think that says enough in itself MAL....

SMARTER THAN SIMMO/THEO/STEVE PAPAS
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Former SAFOOTY poster was on course saturday night
He misses being on the site and stirring a few of us up
The lad is largely misunderstood and is a nice person in real life
Do we give him one more chance ??????????????????????????

I think i've had my run ins with one JS / STS / T / SP - whatever he wants to call himself..
In fact - I hear from a person who was at globe today that he was very complimentary to me when he found out that between this person and I we had the majority of the Supertab quaddie between us... NOT!!
But I really couldn't care less if he is on here - won't have any major impact on me.... mind you my brother (the one he calls fish) is still waiting to be taken out for more drinks, said he drank STS under the table at the gold coast.. but that's not to stay he had more alcohol in his stomach at the end of the night

In terms of his re-admission to the site - It's not a decision for you or me Mal - if you want him back on either you or him speak to the mods and site admin, you will get neither my support nor my objection on the matter...