GDP 10/11/13 JULY + LATE MAL NUMBER 8 + HARNESS HARP

[mal]

Now let me think, WHO do we listen to ;

centreman = an astute trainer/punter of horses OR
MAL = a man who wouldnt know which end to feed a horse

If I took a Trifecta between the 3 of us on winning at the trots
It would be
FIELD/FIELD/G

[another grub]

[Dutchy]

centreman = an astute trainer/punter of horses

Who says this?

[G]

And as usual MAL you would do your jatz crackers

Sorry Dutchy only people with a bit of knowledge re-Trots would be able to confirm

[Joey]

This goes to show that P Cav just told them anything the other week to keep the stewards happy.
It shows he wasn't worried about backing up cos he had no problems doing it this weekend.

Mal your the one who has always said horses can't race twice over weekend and perform well. But they can as we seen today.
Many trainers fast work or gallop their horses 2 days before a race so not much difference.

Looks like it backed up well once[1st] but not the other time[6th of 7]
SOME can back up well SOME dont

My overiding paramount point
Are the ones that back up able to perform at close to 100% of thier ability ???????

Ohoka Dakota failing once, but then performing well the other time is a classic example

Mal, your suggestion that Ohaka didnt back up on 15/6 maybe numerically correct. Obviously 6th of 7 doesnt read as good as 1st of 10 3 days earlier, but a quick look at the two races in question i think shows there was actually very little difference in Ohaka's two runs.

The race on Fri was a stand over 2230m Ohaka began well from 2 and had the best run in the race behind the leader Town Prince with the 1st Half run in 62.5 30.0 down the back Ohaka came 1off at Normans Gate and nailed the leader on the line Last 1/4 30.0..........

Mondays race was 2230m MS With speed in 1 2 & 3 Ohaka 4 eases into the one out line and on settling is 1 out 3 back about 13m from the leader again Town Prince down the back staight Rabahero leaves the 1x1 and moves to death. At the 800m Ohaka is 3wide with a trail on the back of Lorenzo Bromac still about 13m off the lead he is pushed out 4wide between the350-250 and battles home beaten 10.7m by Rabahero one the form horses in SA and 3m behind Town Prince who he just beat on Fri after sit on the fence behind him. Was Ohaka's run Mon reallly that inferior to the Fri ??? Also note the stewards were probably only questioning because it was favourite. For the record the times were 31.4 30.9 28.7 30.0. I think Centreman was right Paul just pulled out one of the standard answers in the stewards room.


Dutchy, A check within Harness circles will confirm that Centreman has reputation as an astute trainer who has returned excellent results with only a small team over the last 5 years or so.

[Dutchy]

Dutchy, A check within Harness circles will confirm that Centreman has reputation as an astute trainer who has returned excellent results with only a small team over the last 5 years or so.

No problems Joey

[Westsider]

can we change the byline for safooty


SAFOOTY
Where everyone is completely wrong and any opinions are shot down

[bayman]

well what i think some are trying to say (scd) is this was the reason given last time & this time should the question be asked about why did it back up this time ?

imo this weeks race was weaker than the previous monday when it did not back up (according to the stewards report we've read), however it did appear to me to be dissapointing on that day despite joeys reasons which are valid....hoofnote an attractive lady backed this horse on saturday night from $14.00 into $11.00 with the bookie, so perhaps the old saying of ''where there's smoke there is fire'' is relevant


does anyone know whether the question was asked that scd asked in the above post ?

[loves to punt]

can we change the byline for safooty


SAFOOTY
Where everyone is completely wrong and any opinions are shot down

Westsider you and your boyfriend dutchy should practice what you preach you blokes are the ones that squill like pigs when people view there opinions.

[Dutchy]

can we change the byline for safooty


SAFOOTY
Where everyone is completely wrong and any opinions are shot down

Westsider you and your boyfriend dutchy should practice what you preach you blokes are the ones that squill like pigs when people view there opinions.

Where do I "squeal" ?

Opinions are what this site is all about, dont think we would have one of the most popular footy websites in the country if people didnt express their opinions!

[centreman]

can we change the byline for safooty


SAFOOTY
Where everyone is completely wrong and any opinions are shot down

Westsider you and your boyfriend dutchy should practice what you preach you blokes are the ones that squill like pigs when people view there opinions.

LTP, Not sure why your've directed your reply at dutchy. He just asked a question, got an answer and pretty well said fair enough.
Westsider, Were are opinions shot down? Rather than worring bout jumping to one of your chump budding defence how about some imput!!!!!! I'm sure everyones big enough to handle a little debate or a difference of opinion.
Don't be frightened to add something yourself!

[centreman]

Mal i'll tell you that you'll get the more consistant form from horses backing up 2 or 3 days later from better class stables around this part of town, than you will from country stables up pirie racing once a fortnight or every 3 weeks. How do you know if they have been worked or feed properly between runs.

Plus 2 of the Biggest Harness races in the world The Little Brown Jug and The Elitlop they run heats and finals on the same day. Plus the fastest qualifers get to pick first barriers so there are no quite runs in the heats.
How many melb Cup winners have raced on the Sat then in the cup? They never race more than once a fortnight the rest of the year!!!!!!!

[mal]

Mal i'll tell you that you'll get the more consistant form from horses backing up 2 or 3 days later from better class stables around this part of town, than you will from country stables up pirie racing once a fortnight or every 3 weeks. How do you know if they have been worked or feed properly between runs.

Plus 2 of the Biggest Harness races in the world The Little Brown Jug and The Elitlop they run heats and finals on the same day. Plus the fastest qualifers get to pick first barriers so there are no quite runs in the heats.
How many melb Cup winners have raced on the Sat then in the cup? They never race more than once a fortnight the rest of the year!!!!!!!

Same old story Centreman
Selective posting on how SOME horses can back up and do well or win
No mention or examples of the horses that DONT back up and race disMALly

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IVE ALREADY POSTED IT CAN BE DONE BY some HORSES
IM JUST CURIOUS, AS IVE ALWAYS BEEN AS TO WHAT CAPACITY OF FITNESS THOSE HORSES THAT BACK UP ARE AT ?
50
60
70
80
90
100
%
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ANSWER THAT AND WE CAN ALL SLEEP AT NIGHT
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PS
And how many horses dont get nominated for the Little Brown Jug event ?
Probably the ones that cant back up

[centreman]

Mal, I agree with you. Some horses will back up some can't. I would think around 70% can without too much worry.
Mal if thay are fit enough to race well and close to their best backing up won't be a major issue. If horse isn't at least 85 to 90% fit I would want to be backing it anywhere, let alone worrying about it backing up!!!!!!!!
As joey said the class of opposition, barrier, run the horse gets, distance and the way horse is driven have more of an effect than the backing up has. Most form students i speak to don't see the 2 runs over a weekend a big issue when doin their form for the 2nd run.

PS Mal, the best horses in America Race in Little Brown Jug, I'm sure not to many trainers bypass it bcos of the back up factor!!!!!!!

[loves to punt]

Mal have you heard of a horse in W.A Mysta Magical Mach it goes alright last prep it had 4 runs in a fortnight.Nidya used to have 2 runs in a week for 6 to 8 months bought for $10,000 of the Langs and won $100,000 plus so it can be done Mal.

[leftarmoffie]

Mal i'll tell you that you'll get the more consistant form from horses backing up 2 or 3 days later from better class stables around this part of town, than you will from country stables up pirie racing once a fortnight or every 3 weeks. How do you know if they have been worked or feed properly between runs.

Plus 2 of the Biggest Harness races in the world The Little Brown Jug and The Elitlop they run heats and finals on the same day. Plus the fastest qualifers get to pick first barriers so there are no quite runs in the heats.
How many melb Cup winners have raced on the Sat then in the cup? They never race more than once a fortnight the rest of the year!!!!!!!

Wont racing horses once a fortnight or every 3 weeks extend there racing life compared to backing up 2 or 3 days later??

[mal]

Mal have you heard of a horse in W.A Mysta Magical Mach it goes alright last prep it had 4 runs in a fortnight.Nidya used to have 2 runs in a week for 6 to 8 months bought for $10,000 of the Langs and won $100,000 plus so it can be done Mal.

Great post LTP
Absoloute gem
Yes it can be done
AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE AGREE

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NOW CAN YOU ALSO DO THE STATS ON ALL THE HORSES THAT HAVE BACKED UP AND LOST

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Get off the one way street and see whatcha come up with

PS
Wheres you Betfair lays ?
Your running at 9 in a row [all beaten] and all could have been layed at $5 and below

[The reigning Ben.C]

While we're on the topic of backing up, how long do you think Ananz will last before breaking down?

She has done a fantastic job given all the travelling she has done at such a young age and fronting up to the best juveniles in the country almost each start. Surely this has taken its toll on her still growing body though. I would say she her racing life will end prematurely due to injury / bleeding.

[centreman]

[quote="The reigning Ben.C"]While we're on the topic of backing up, how long do you think Ananz will last before breaking down?

She has done a fantastic job given all the travelling she has done at such a young age and fronting up to the best juveniles in the country almost each start. Surely this has taken its toll on her still growing body though. I would say she her racing life will end prematurely due to injury / bleeding.[/quote]

Pretty sure Ben C you'll find that Ananz will be retired at end of season and go to stud. Seeing she becomes a FFA class horse when she turns 4.
Is it better for her to win 350K plus in her 2 and 3yo seasons or try and win it over 8 seasons?
Personally i'd rather have the money in the bank and send her to stud!!!!

Her trainer also has a great history of having young horses do what shes done. Your a brave man to question him as a trainer.

[SCD]

I might be wrong, but my understanding is that 2 and 3 yr old wins will not be counted towards open class assessment from next season.. Will that include the current crop of 2 and 3yr olds?

It doesn't matter what they did with her..
let's be honest - she was a mature, bigger filly as a 2yr old and as a 3yr old the others have grown and caught her. But her last 2 runs have been her best runs this season and she has had a few problems - that she is now over, so expect a good end to the season...