Roulette

[Jimmy]

ALL ON BLACK!!!!!!!!!

it worked in Vegas

[Ecky]

well my SYSTEM is more like the law of averages, if you have 20 or so spins in 2 thirds of the table surely the average says that the next spin or the ones in the very near future will be in the third that hasnt been touched for a while

That is a complete myth, MT79! Refer to previous posts on the subject - the ball has NO MEMORY so where it will land next has nothing to do with where it landed previously!!! The chance the ball lands in that other third is always the same.

The bigger myth is that everything that has happened previously has no bearing on what will happen in the future. True, the ball has no memory, and the next spin has 1/3 chance of landing in that third, BUT, if you use MT79s system, mathematically, it does change, because the odds are only a guide to one event, but we chose what that event is. In one off spins, that spin is the event. In MTs system, 21 or so spins is the event. If, after 17 spins, the first third has only occured 4 times, mathematically, you could say that 3 of the next four should land in that third. Will this happen? Probably not.

What you say is not correct PAFC. You say that 21 spins is your event, but if you are considering what has happened after 17 spins, then you are changing the event and hence the probability distribution of what will occur after 21 spins will change.

i.e. P(X times in first third after 21 spins) DOES NOT EQUAL P(X times in first third after 21 spins GIVEN it has appeared Y times in the first third after 17 spins)

If you walk up to the table and intend to have 5 spins, and hope the first third comes up once to win money (by increasing each bet after a loss), and third hasn't come up after 4 spins, is the next spin still 1/3 odds? Yes and no

The answer to this is emphatically YES!
I suggest you go and read a first year university statistics textbook.

[Rushby Hinds]

I suggest you have a look @ the roulette wheel to see if the slot gets bigger or the ball gets smaller.

[Dissident]

It's probability - not what WILL happen.

[Rushby Hinds]

Funnily enough, I used to work with a bloke who was a big gambler @ the Casino.


About 15 years ago I went with him to the Casino, he looked around and found a croupier who was looking bored and tired and spinning with the same rhythm.

He then watched what number she dropped the ball on, and where it landed, and the next 4 spins he bet on the ball landing in the same set of numbers compared to the distance from the drop, and won 4 out of 4.


The head croupier noticed, whispered something to her, and she spun a lot harder, so he packed up and left.

Having said that a few years after he had to leave his employer after an "incident"

[Punk Rooster]

Funnily enough, I used to work with a bloke who was a big gambler @ the Casino.


About 15 years ago I went with him to the Casino, he looked around and found a croupier who was looking bored and tired and spinning with the same rhythm.

He then watched what number she dropped the ball on, and where it landed, and the next 4 spins he bet on the ball landing in the same set of numbers compared to the distance from the drop, and won 4 out of 4.


The head croupier noticed, whispered something to her, and she spun a lot harder, so he packed up and left.

Having said that a few years after he had to leave his employer after an "incident"

wasn't an ex-West Adel player, name rhyming with "Davesi"?

[Dissident]

Funnily enough, I used to work with a bloke who was a big gambler @ the Casino.


About 15 years ago I went with him to the Casino, he looked around and found a croupier who was looking bored and tired and spinning with the same rhythm.

He then watched what number she dropped the ball on, and where it landed, and the next 4 spins he bet on the ball landing in the same set of numbers compared to the distance from the drop, and won 4 out of 4.


The head croupier noticed, whispered something to her, and she spun a lot harder, so he packed up and left.

Having said that a few years after he had to leave his employer after an "incident"

I would have thought that the ball was part of it - and the wheel spinning was another part ?

[Ecky]

Funnily enough, I used to work with a bloke who was a big gambler @ the Casino.


About 15 years ago I went with him to the Casino, he looked around and found a croupier who was looking bored and tired and spinning with the same rhythm.

He then watched what number she dropped the ball on, and where it landed, and the next 4 spins he bet on the ball landing in the same set of numbers compared to the distance from the drop, and won 4 out of 4.


The head croupier noticed, whispered something to her, and she spun a lot harder, so he packed up and left.

Having said that a few years after he had to leave his employer after an "incident"

I would still suspect that this was just chance - you would have to be very soft* for the position the ball ends up in to not be completely random. The casinos would have done extensive tests on the randomness of the wheels, and you would think would make the "softness threshold" (where the spin loses its randomness) to be quite low, so that these kinds of situations couldn't happen.

[Rushby Hinds]

True, am doubting my own eyes the more i think about it

[Rushby Hinds]

Funnily enough, I used to work with a bloke who was a big gambler @ the Casino.


About 15 years ago I went with him to the Casino, he looked around and found a croupier who was looking bored and tired and spinning with the same rhythm.

He then watched what number she dropped the ball on, and where it landed, and the next 4 spins he bet on the ball landing in the same set of numbers compared to the distance from the drop, and won 4 out of 4.


The head croupier noticed, whispered something to her, and she spun a lot harder, so he packed up and left.

Having said that a few years after he had to leave his employer after an "incident"

I would still suspect that this was just chance - you would have to be very soft* for the position the ball ends up in to not be completely random. The casinos would have done extensive tests on the randomness of the wheels, and you would think would make the "softness threshold" (where the spin loses its randomness) to be quite low, so that these kinds of situations couldn't happen.

But i use that system and it works for me

[Lunchcutter]

my dh was a croupier at the cas for 5 years about 15 years ago... he reckons it's absolute BS for anyone to think they can "beat" a casino and he also said that the worst odds are found on the routlette wheel

[Ecky]

my dh was a croupier at the cas for 5 years about 15 years ago... he reckons it's absolute BS for anyone to think they can "beat" a casino and he also said that the worst odds are found on the routlette wheel

Not including Poker (which depends on your skill vs that of the other players) Roulette has the second best odds of any of the games after Blackjack. It even has better odds than Blackjack if you are not playing Blackjack with the optimal strategy.

So if you walk into the Casino totally pissed one night, Roulette is the best game to play if you want to minimize your losses.

[Dutchy]

I once saw a bloke pile 100's of dollars all over a roulette table and had EVERY number covered for a return of some sort except one number.....


Guess which one came up?

[mighty_tiger_79]

I once saw a bloke pile 100's of dollars all over a roulette table and had EVERY number covered for a return of some sort except one number.....


Guess which one came up?

i see that most mornings at the Casino with the asians piling on the chiops on basically 33 numbers plus the bets outside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mighty_tiger_79]

im thinking that this could end up as a challenge at the casino, to find out who has the best system on roulette.

[Ecky]

im thinking that this could end up as a challenge at the casino, to find out who has the best system on roulette.

It would be a boring challenge as all "systems" would converge to an expected return of 36/37 = 97.3% of the amount you outlay, provided that you played for long enough.

[mighty_tiger_79]

maybe the glenelg fc should go down and put it all on the red!!!!!!! and hope it comes in, if it does we can pay mouse for next year, if not, well we wave goodbye!!!!!!!!

[JK]

I have put aside Thursday night to try and invent an impromptu system of my own at the Chiphouse ... If I am able to remember, I will report my findings sometime shortly afterward!

[Punk Rooster]

as far as i am aware there is no more biase with the roulette wheels though there used to be. One thing that the casino tend to do is swap balls over. there are 2 types a light one and a heavy one and they will change the balls over but they wont tell you.

Absolute garbage MT79.
The balls used in the Casino are audited by the Government Inspectors, who are clearly independant of the Casino (ie they work for the Government), & are most stringent in upholding the rules, so the punters lose their money fair & square.
Ball size may vary from casino to casino, but are of a standard size within the Casino (eg Adelaide)

[Dissident]

as far as i am aware there is no more biase with the roulette wheels though there used to be. One thing that the casino tend to do is swap balls over. there are 2 types a light one and a heavy one and they will change the balls over but they wont tell you.

Absolute garbage MT79.
The balls used in the Casino are audited by the Government Inspectors, who are clearly independant of the Casino (ie they work for the Government), & are most stringent in upholding the rules, so the punters lose their money fair & square.
Ball size may vary from casino to casino, but are of a standard size within the Casino (eg Adelaide)

Correct. The are measured at Trade Measurements on West Thebarton Road/Phillips St (next to the butcher there).
Everything from beer glass sizes to the weights of the balls used in the lotto are measured there.