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take the shorties all up

adel

r4 no 3 win
r8 no 2 win

bris
r7 no 7 win
r8 no 1 win
r11 no 8 win

take these 5 as an allup & you should be collecting, if they dont win you'll be collecting cans

BEST TIP for the day - ALL UPs are a waste of time and money and are NOT a part of any successful Punters Armoury.

Thats why Bayman is having a spell at the moment
Or is it because he was winning too much ?

bayman wrote:adel

r4 no 3 win
r8 no 2 win

bris
r7 no 7 win
r8 no 1 win
r11 no 8 win

take these 5 as an allup & you should be collecting, if they dont win you'll be collecting cans

Who's collecting cans ?
3 out 5 get BEATEN and all were ODDS ON.

Thats why i said All Ups are a Sure way to go BROKE.
Backing odds on Faves is bad enough.

Nothing wrong with the tips Bayman as they all looked the winners but am just making the point that all ups and odds onnies are a Recipe for Disaster.

The last time I had a serious all up bet was about 20 years ago at the hounds
I got 3 legs up and had a dog called DANUSKA for a place in the last of 4 all up links
I started with $10 on 4 dogs
Got to the last leg with just over $100 on DANUSKA
It came up about $4-00 the win $1-00 the place
It stayed $1-00 a place and jumped at those odds
You guessed it it ran 4th
And I had my investment on a dog that was way below my odds

So when going all up I dont bother anymore
Just wait for the races and punt all up individually if the odds are right
Why have a win allup on something thats $2 in the paper, that you have rated at $1-80 that is paying $1-20.

Very poor value allups, I am with JJ on this topic

Centreman has a great strike rate with allups at the trots perhaps he will disagree
Bayman also has some big collects on allups
But for me I think you lose to much value in the process as some are below your desired odds

ALLUPS on sports bets [or race bets] at fixed odds is different as you are set and not allupping blind

mal all these points are correct but with me if i have an allup (quite often do) i could go starting from say $50.00 & come to the last leg i could be having say $400.00 on the last leg, individually i'd think i'm in front just have $150.00 on it & stay in front but as an allup your bet stays on, although when they get beaten you do think if i was on seperately i wouldn't have had that much on, it's the old saying too much or not enough went on depending on whether they win or not

BAYMAN
lets pretend [LULU song in the 6os]

Your first 3 links get up
The 4th link is a horse you would back at $2 or greater on the punt
It comes up $1-20
It is $1-30 as they score up
would you like to cancel the allup then ?

mal wrote:BAYMAN
lets pretend [LULU song in the 6os]

Your first 3 links get up
The 4th link is a horse you would back at $2 or greater on the punt
It comes up $1-20
It is $1-30 as they score up
would you like to cancel the allup then ?

honestly because i've been in that position & honestly i can say i just pray that it wins

mal wrote:The last time I had a serious all up bet was about 20 years ago at the hounds
I got 3 legs up and had a dog called DANUSKA for a place in the last of 4 all up links
I started with $10 on 4 dogs
Got to the last leg with just over $100 on DANUSKA
It came up about $4-00 the win $1-00 the place
It stayed $1-00 a place and jumped at those odds
You guessed it it ran 4th
And I had my investment on a dog that was way below my odds

So when going all up I dont bother anymore
Just wait for the races and punt all up individually if the odds are right
Why have a win allup on something thats $2 in the paper, that you have rated at $1-80 that is paying $1-20.

Very poor value allups, I am with JJ on this topic

Centreman has a great strike rate with allups at the trots perhaps he will disagree
Bayman also has some big collects on allups
But for me I think you lose to much value in the process as some are below your desired odds

ALLUPS on sports bets [or race bets] at fixed odds is different as you are set and not allupping blind

Mal the fact the paper has something $2 means absolutey jackSH!T. Let me know when you can get on for real money at paper price!!!!!!!!
I'm sure your allup didn't make the Dog pay $1 the place. Maybe that was its right price cos plenty of people backed it.
All up are a way of getting a return from a small out lay. Simular what Quaddies and trebles can do. These days you can put them on with most of the corp bookies. Can cross codes and meetings aswell. So your money doesn't go in the pool and effect the price!!! Giving you a more true price/return. Even better than you get on the quaddies etc sometimes you get under compared to the all up prices!!!!!

centreman wrote:

mal wrote:The last time I had a serious all up bet was about 20 years ago at the hounds
I got 3 legs up and had a dog called DANUSKA for a place in the last of 4 all up links
I started with $10 on 4 dogs
Got to the last leg with just over $100 on DANUSKA
It came up about $4-00 the win $1-00 the place
It stayed $1-00 a place and jumped at those odds
You guessed it it ran 4th
And I had my investment on a dog that was way below my odds

So when going all up I dont bother anymore
Just wait for the races and punt all up individually if the odds are right
Why have a win allup on something thats $2 in the paper, that you have rated at $1-80 that is paying $1-20.

Very poor value allups, I am with JJ on this topic

Centreman has a great strike rate with allups at the trots perhaps he will disagree
Bayman also has some big collects on allups
But for me I think you lose to much value in the process as some are below your desired odds

ALLUPS on sports bets [or race bets] at fixed odds is different as you are set and not allupping blind

Mal the fact the paper has something $2 means absolutey jackSH!T. Let me know when you can get on for real money at paper price!!!!!!!!
I'm sure your allup didn't make the Dog pay $1 the place. Maybe that was its right price cos plenty of people backed it.
All up are a way of getting a return from a small out lay. Simular what Quaddies and trebles can do. These days you can put them on with most of the corp bookies. Can cross codes and meetings aswell. So your money doesn't go in the pool and effect the price!!! Giving you a more true price/return. Even better than you get on the quaddies etc sometimes you get under compared to the all up prices!!!!!

Good points
Good startergies, your allups with a bookie the way to go and not flood your selections in a tote pool + maximise your investment

BUT
Same question as BAYMAN
If you had your last link on a horse you rated at $1-80 that is showing $1-20 the win as they score up , would you like to cancel your ticket ?

I cant see the value in taking an "all up" when you are watching and punting as the meeting unfolds. Why would you take an all up when you can control how much you want on the next leg and whether its value or not.
I would only think about an all up if I was say at the footy and not monitoring the results.

G wrote:I cant see the value in taking an "all up" when you are watching and punting as the meeting unfolds. Why would you take an all up when you can control how much you want on the next leg and whether its value or not.
I would only think about an all up if I was say at the footy and not monitoring the results.

Completely agree with this one G....
I only ever take all up bets when i'm out and won't be betting as the meeting unfolds..
If i'm home betting and I want an "all-up" I do it race by race on the agencies that don't put money into pools and do it only if the price is right

mal wrote:

centreman wrote:

mal wrote:The last time I had a serious all up bet was about 20 years ago at the hounds
I got 3 legs up and had a dog called DANUSKA for a place in the last of 4 all up links
I started with $10 on 4 dogs
Got to the last leg with just over $100 on DANUSKA
It came up about $4-00 the win $1-00 the place
It stayed $1-00 a place and jumped at those odds
You guessed it it ran 4th
And I had my investment on a dog that was way below my odds

So when going all up I dont bother anymore
Just wait for the races and punt all up individually if the odds are right
Why have a win allup on something thats $2 in the paper, that you have rated at $1-80 that is paying $1-20.

Very poor value allups, I am with JJ on this topic

Centreman has a great strike rate with allups at the trots perhaps he will disagree
Bayman also has some big collects on allups
But for me I think you lose to much value in the process as some are below your desired odds

ALLUPS on sports bets [or race bets] at fixed odds is different as you are set and not allupping blind

Mal the fact the paper has something $2 means absolutey jackSH!T. Let me know when you can get on for real money at paper price!!!!!!!!
I'm sure your allup didn't make the Dog pay $1 the place. Maybe that was its right price cos plenty of people backed it.
All up are a way of getting a return from a small out lay. Simular what Quaddies and trebles can do. These days you can put them on with most of the corp bookies. Can cross codes and meetings aswell. So your money doesn't go in the pool and effect the price!!! Giving you a more true price/return. Even better than you get on the quaddies etc sometimes you get under compared to the all up prices!!!!!

Good points
Good startergies, your allups with a bookie the way to go and not flood your selections in a tote pool + maximise your investment

BUT
Same question as BAYMAN
If you had your last link on a horse you rated at $1-80 that is showing $1-20 the win as they score up , would you like to cancel your ticket ?

Mal would of thought idea of the all up was to pick however many legs you want to win or place or both.
So i'm with Bayman give it strenght and cheer it home!!!!!!

G wrote:I cant see the value in taking an "all up" when you are watching and punting as the meeting unfolds. Why would you take an all up when you can control how much you want on the next leg and whether its value or not.
I would only think about an all up if I was say at the footy and not monitoring the results.

Correct, also allows you to take back your initial outlay therefore reducing your risk if successful in early legs...

read an article a few months ago about how much Bookies love Multis/All ups, they make plenty from them, you wont find one professional punter who is succesful that makes $ from multis

Dutchy wrote:

G wrote:I cant see the value in taking an "all up" when you are watching and punting as the meeting unfolds. Why would you take an all up when you can control how much you want on the next leg and whether its value or not.
I would only think about an all up if I was say at the footy and not monitoring the results.

Correct, also allows you to take back your initial outlay therefore reducing your risk if successful in early legs...

read an article a few months ago about how much Bookies love Multis/All ups, they make plenty from them, you wont find one professional punter who is succesful that makes $ from multis

YOUR KIDDING YOURSELF, I KNOW A FEW BUT FOR WELL KNOWN REASONS I CANT NAME THEM.

there you go no proof....

Dutchy wrote:there you go no proof....

NAME SOME PROFESSIONAL PUNTERS THEN AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY OUT OF THE GROUP THAT MAKE MONEY OUT OF ALL UPS AND MULTIS,
OR MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW ANY REAL PRO PUNTERS??????????????????????????????????????????????

BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THE BIGGEST GALLOP AND TROT PUNTERS IN THIS STATE THAT I KNOW DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Release your CAPS chiefy.
The tone of your typing isn't very nice.

smithy wrote:Release your CAPS chiefy.

IT'S A TRADE MARK, HAVENT YOU SEEN AKER DO THE HANDSTAND AND KISS THE GROUND, BOSSY DANCE ON THE HORSE BACK TO SCALE,MAL TIPPING THINGS UNDER $1.40 EACH WAY, FRANKYS STAR JUMP????????????????????????????????

CHIEFY'S IS THE caps lock.