PUNTERS SOFT AND SPOILT advertiser 8/5/06 article

[mal]

ARTICLE Dennis Markham comments with Steve Ploubidis.

Just some extracts from todays press for the inaugural Super Sunday meeting :

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Ploubidis like many others was disappointed with crowd numbers
officially put at 4211 by the SAJC. Club officials would have liked
at least twice that number.

Ploubidis says there is now so much information to off-course punters via
Sky Channel and radio that there is little incentive for them to come to the track.

If clubs such as the SAJC want people back at the races then maybe they have
to take tough measures to restrict the amount of pre-race information finding its
way into off-course betting outlets. Thats not as difficult as it sounds. It pnly means
the current rules of track wagering and betting moves need to be enforced rather
than flouted as they appear to be now.

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My advice to the SAJC in regards to limiting off course pre race information.
Get off your a.....s dont keep blaming off course issues and confront on course issues.
I personally get superior racing form on the NET in the TABS FOR *******FREE*******
The SAJC should provide this superior form to the on course patrons and keep them
satisfied and in turn attract people through the turnstyles.

As MT79, BAYMAN, PANTHER and myself have re-iterated several times in past posts
the incentive for us to attend oncourse is minimal.

When the SAJC can provide :

Better formguides.
Reduced admission fees.
More healthy catering options.
Free car parks.
Cheaper beers/spirits.
On course computers for punters to place bets at tables.
More TAB operators.
Etc Etc.

When this era of punters die or disapeer the industry is in a worse predicament.

To maintain or obtain new individuals you need to compete in the market force.
Young girls who attract young boys to the races , dont return because the food
choices are unhealthy and inadequate and the booze is too expensive.
And they pay $9 to get in , for $9 you need to appease them.
This is the next generation who are staying away in thier droves.
They go to AAMI and the CASINO...definitely more value for money.
Younger punters have told me many times " Why go to the track when my local pub
is the same but with no admissions etc etc.''

The sajc needs to get off thier high horse and ATTRACT not whinge and discriminate.

They are fortunate Bookies are still on course to atract a few people.

[mal]

OOPS

Sorry I posted this in the wrong forum.

[topsywaldron]

Ploubidis? He wants tarring and feathering for what he did to the Norwood Football Club. If we go bankrupt it will have a lot to do with his duplicity and inability to define 'conflict of interest'.

[Ecky]

OOPS

Sorry I posted this in the wrong forum.

No worries, mal. It has been moved to the Gambling Room

[JessicaRabbit69]

Mal,

IMO Ploubidis is a downright dud.

The promotion of Super Sunday was very, very average. I mean, I'm a racing fan and I barely saw a word of advertising/promotion.

He needs to pull his head out his backside and have a look at the reasons why people don't bother going to the track anymore - and do something about it, not just have a whinge.

There's very little incentive to go trackside nowadays. Why? Because it's too expensive to get in, the food's a rip-off, there's no betting information you can't access just as easily off-course, and the facilities are pretty average. Who wouldn't rather be sitting in a pubTAB downing cheap schooners and a $6 schnitzel while watching the races on a big screen?

There are some serious problems with racing administration in this state (though the Peter Ali seems to have his head screwed on at the dogs).

The trots are in total disarray. From all reports the CEO Mark whatisname is another waste of space and has helped flush the industry down the sh.tter.

I went to the Globe Derby a few weeks ago and couldn't believe how bad things were. The horses were very average, had a meal in the Paceway restaurant which was total cr.p and cost $28 (or something like that). Could have got twice as good a feed for half the price at a pub down the road. No wonder there were only about 50 people there!!!

[mal]

JR69

Agree 100 % on your post.

That article today insulted the rank and file punting fraternity.

[bayman]

i agree mark carey is a DICKHEAD & so is his brother for that matter they think they are better than everyone else. i'll elaborate a bit more later on but i have to go back to work as we had a breakdown today & we have to catch up tonight

[Maddogmike]

If ya feel like sharing, what do the Gamblords on this forum do for a crust.
I am a high school PE teacher in Adelaide, and while Im in the UK I move around doing relief teaching. Quite good fun over here really.

[mighty_tiger_79]

well well well, the SAJC is disappointed in the crowd numbers for SUPER SUNDAY.

how much was the admission out of interest? I didnt really see much of the promotion and i like a punt as a few here would know.

Steve Ploubodis when at the SANFL didnt have a lot of friends there and the SANFL gave him a great reference so that the SAJC would take him.

I agree whole-heartedly with the other posts on here about not going to the track because you get superior form off the net and at the pub you get cheaper drinks and a good pub meal for the same price it costs you to get in, so you've already backed a winner!!!!!!!!!

the racing industry is dying.

when i do punt i like to bet on good and dead tracks, i dont invest on slow or heavy tracks, too hard to read the form and track bias etc. I mean with the form you can find the swimmers but but id rather punt on the dogs where im guaranteed my wage.

[JessicaRabbit69]

i agree mark carey is a DICKHEAD & so is his brother for that matter they think they are better than everyone else. i'll elaborate a bit more later on but i have to go back to work as we had a breakdown today & we have to catch up tonight

Bayman, don't really know much about mark carey - but a friend is fairly heavily involved in the trots and has told me some horror stories. I still follow it quite closely but don't get into the politics too much.

I can't believe how far the trotting industry has fallen. When I went to Globe Derby the other night, it was quite embarrassing. There was NOBODY there, the place is falling apart and the meal we had was total cr.p (and expensive, I thought).

Also disappointed with the lack of coverage in the Advertiser and Sunday Mail. Things have been dreadful ever since Lincoln More took over. He NEVER seems to write anything and when he does it's just a rip off from the trots website. Couldn't believe on Saturday he actually had a story in the paper - and almost all of it was talking about a horse that had been scratched!!!! Surely he could have written something about a horse that was actually racing. I took the effort to ring up the paper one day and spoke to one of the bosses in sport (or so he said). I asked him why there were so few trots stories. He said it was because Lincoln hardly every wrote anything!!!!!

Why is it that the trots seems to attract some duds????

It's a shame, because I really like the trots.

[bayman]

the stories you've been told would be accurate without going into detail they feather their own nest & DONT CARE ABOUT WHY THEY GOT EMPLOYED IN THE FIRST PLACE 'if you have a degree you know more than people who have been in the game all their life' because they wont listen i've been to meetings & ?'s have been put to him & others & they treat it as if the participants are 2nd class & got no idea whats going on but its too dangerous for me to put up in blunt terms what has/is happening etc

[bayman]

well i went to thebby with mal & little bayman for a start, i know very little about the gallops these days did race some in the 80's & after what happen with one particular horse that was it never again i cant say what but they call us the redhots not likely its there, i wouldn't pay that much to watch a race meeting anywhere in the world let alone 5 minutes from my place as someone said pub meal, drink & thats about $12.00 or sit at home & watch them & bet on the net as for giving the offcourse punters less info whatajoke do you think the tab would allow that ? off course not, more info the likely hood of more turnover & in jest i'll say when they changed the name of morphettville it alienated all of us that dont barrack for port !!!!!!!!!!!!!! so we dont go

[JessicaRabbit69]

Bayman, sounds like you're very well versed with the problems at the trots!!!

It's a case of .....

[another grub]

Totally agre with everything that is being stated, the sajc is a joke!

[mighty_tiger_79]

this is how well the SAJC and the bosses are travelling, apparently Brenton Yates gave them a spray for 10 minutes on the radio, pity i missed it.

Obglo or whatever it was that won at big odds a few weeks ago, the owner was at the bar and ordered a crownie - $7, he made a comment about the price and a comment from someone high up suggested that he sit in the gutter at the morphett arms. that is an absolute disgrace, they try and attract new owners to the industry and that sort of stuff gets mentioned.

there are no words to describe that...........

[mal]

SAJC

I asked 6 people about the article at Gawler dogs today.
I dont know Steve .P. at all and have no opinion on him
as an individual but the people i talked to today were not
complimentary at all about him.
Al the punters that read that article were far from impressed.

The general consensus was that SP has offended them.

The admission fee for Super Sunday was $15 adults $7-50 pensioners.
$7 FOR A CROWN you ae kidding me....Car park ?
And these people cant work out why crowds are dwindling...........

Just another point ...at a metropolitan race venue you pay $2-60 for a
packet of potato chips...ROBBERY the pubs charge $1-50 and the
supermarkets about $1-20 odd.
How do you justify the $2-60 ?

If SP reads this I have this advice stop INSULTING the punters which just
happen to be your customers.

[RustyCage]

Its also a joke what they want to do with the motorsport track at Victoria Park.

[mal]

PAFC 1870

Enlighten me as to whats happening at the motorsport track.

[RustyCage]

They want to dig up what is there now and redesign it (ie f#@k it up completely). They want the new pit straight to run along the old grandstand that is there now, and have the pit complex on the other side of the horse racing track. They will do this by having the track go straight on down Dequettivile Tce, along the front of the old stand and rejoin the old part of the track on the final corner hairpin, run backwards along the curves which currently make up the back of the pits, and come out at the exit back at Wakefield street and follow it up the hill. I'll add a map of the track soon so people get an idea what Im on about. What it will do is get rid of the hairpin on Deq Tce, get rid of the hairpin on the final corner, and get rid of the chicane, so you can see how that will stuff the track up.

The result will be the Adel 500 will become a pretty unexciting race as the new layout will provide virtually no realistic passing opportunities, we will stop winning the awards for the best race of the year, and the government will lose interest in holding the race if it cant be used as a "look at us, we're winning awards" event.

The SAJC couldn't give a shit about stuffing up the Adelaide 500, all they want is a redevelopment for their track, and will do anything they feel they need to do to get it.

As the topic of this thread implies, they dont give a shit about their current facilities and situation, because they will be OK once the redevelopments are done. They think that a nice new facility will bring people back to the races, which may be true for the average person whojust wants to "attend an event" as people do with Oakbank, but the big punters and bookies that are currently being screwed over may never return.

[RustyCage]

I wish I could find the picture that was in the Advertiser about 18 months ago which had a map of the new layout, but for anyone who knows anything about motorsport, it was a dud proposal.