pt pirie 17/7/09

[bayman]

i think this allup is the way to go

r1 no 7 historic drive win
r4 no 11 ivana trump win
r5 no 1 loadedbelle place

& good luck to centreman with his horse on friday night

[Davey Carlson]

at least mal can cheat off these tips now

[Brodlach]

i think this allup is the way to go

r1 no 7 historic drive win
r4 no 11 ivana trump win
r5 no 1 loadedbelle place

& good luck to centreman with his horse on friday night

Whats the name of his horse?

[centreman]

Race 3 No.9

[Brodlach]

Race 3 No.9

Good luck, hope it wins for you.

[mal]

at least mal can cheat off these tips now

CHEAT yes
I CHEAT off any punter, driver, trainer, bookie+ media tipsters
Cheat of bayman YES
Bet like bayman NO

BAYMAN and others have this penchant to suggest and bet on all up bets
ALL UP BETS are fraught with danger

Purely for the exercise BAYMAN may have rated his 3 selections at $2-00
He places his all up bet
At $2 all up he can expect a return of $8-00 at what his percievement of odds are
But how often at the trots his returns would be
$1-90
$1-50
$1-30
His return is now $3-70 for what he rated a $8-00 [0r sometimes getz $10]


How often do all up punters get to the 3rd leg with 100s of dollars into the last leg
And take a BLIND dividend of less that anticipated odds
Fair dinkum stupidity at times

What punter would take $1-30 for his $2-00 rated horse if betting individually ?

Why dont ALLUP punters use some sense and sensibility
WAIT for each race and then bet all up if you get the right odds
VALUE
VALUE
VALUE
Is the name of the game surely

For horses rated $2
Take the $1-90
Take up to $1-80
But when they are $1-30 dont accept such short odds, put the cue in the rack
If they are $2-50 have MORON them !!!


SUMMARY
Avoid taking all up bets in BLIND betting on TABS
Sports betting or Fixed odds allups are OK as you are getting set odds and you are obtaining percieved VALUE odds


ALLUP betting

[overloaded]

small pools is the problem not the ALL UP bet

[centreman]

Mal thats why you don't put all up on with tabs!!!!!!! Agree with you completely.
But why not with a corp bookie? You get middle tote and your money doesn't effect your dividend?
Only prob will be after a few decent collects you'll get barred!!!!!!
Same deal with trebles and quaddies.

Like they say you won't go broke backing winners!!!!!!!!!!

[mal]

Mal thats why you don't put all up on with tabs!!!!!!! Agree with you completely.
But why not with a corp bookie? You get middle tote and your money doesn't effect your dividend?
Only prob will be after a few decent collects you'll get barred!!!!!!
Same deal with trebles and quaddies.

Like they say you won't go broke backing winners!!!!!!!!!!

OK
Agree your dividends are protected to an extent with having allups with the Corp Bookies
But still enough $$$ into particularly sMALl TAB pools by other punters to distort or increase any VALUE
Betting with the Corps still = Blind betting for All uPS

[centreman]

Mal i have 1 question for you.
Do i just keep backing the Late Mals all up? Or wait and see if their value?

Cos like I said earlier you won't go broke backing winners!!!!!!!!!

[mal]

Mal i have 1 question for you.
Do i just keep backing the Late Mals all up? Or wait and see if their value?

Cos like I said earlier you won't go broke backing winners!!!!!!!!!

NO
Eventually a LATE MAL will lose and the ALLUP loses
Believe me it will happen
Even I cant walk on water

Just back em individually
They are all VALUE unless they pay $1-10 or less
The LATE MALs are what I consider to be $1-10 or less in my markets
If we get $1-20 there is a degree of value
$1-30 or greater usually good to very good bets

The last LATE MAL was LIGHTNING MCCOOL
I had rated it $1-10

[another grub]

Even I cant walk on water

Yes you can!!!!

[bayman]

Even I cant walk on water

Yes you can!!!!

ag, if he could he'd be the next coach of malwood

[mighty_tiger_79]

Even I cant walk on water

Yes you can!!!!

ag, if he could he'd be the next coach of malwood

but Norwood play too many games on a friday night which would interfere with the trots

plus coaching norwood wouldnt be as profitable as the trots $$$$$$$$$

[mal]

GAWLER 17/7/09

BETFAIR LAYS [172]
R1-10
R3-9
R3-11
R4-10
R6-3 ***

I will update how many lose b4 the races start to save me a post later on
[177]

OTHER RACES
R1-7 looks winner
R4-11 go close
R 7-2 go close

No suggested bets tonight


1-7 1ST
R4-11 2ND
R7-2 1ST

[bayman]

sat,

r3 no 6 dixie chic dreamer win
r4 no 12 trapper bob e/w
r9 no 7 MALLY BOY FELLA WIN

[mal]

sat,

r3 no 6 dixie chic dreamer win
r4 no 12 trapper bob e/w
r9 no 7 MALLY BOY FELLA WIN

Good selections BAYMAN
Agree BAYMAN BOY FELLA a very good chance TOMorrow nite

[Davey Carlson]

Any late MAL's tomorow night??

[mal]

Any late MAL's tomorow night??

NO
R3-6
Did consider Dixie Chick Dreamer as a LATE MAL
When it fires it is awesome
Reckon it will develope into a ripper horse
I reckon its gunna be about $1-25 fav
If it steps and is at its best = $1-10

Agree with Bayman
R9-7
Bayman I mean Fat Boy Fella is gunna be real hard to beat in that field

[G]

Tomorrow night at Globe Derby
- Race 9 no.7 Fat Boy Fella is an ABSOLUTE LAY