HARNESS HARP MAY + Questions ???

[mal]

WET TRACKS AT TROTS
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Does a wet track impede pacers as it does Thoroughbred horses
Just seen some improbable results the last 2 weeks, some shorties losing
and a few bolters getting up
Perhaps some horses are not handling wet tracks
Leave it to the experts BAYMAN/G/SCD/JACKPOT JIM/CENTREMAN to comment

GEOFF WEBSTER
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Should be renamed Geoff WebSTAR
A genuine superdooperstar of the sulky
The great one might be going to America next to try his luck on a working holiday
2 pacers that he might be taking is Future Assetts and Scruffy Murphy
Will he win races with Australian horses in the USA
Are the USA horses superior


RYAN HRYHOREC
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Is he going to be the number one driver in SA
David Harding is the undisputed king at the moment, but Ryan is throwing out a challenge
Monday we saw Ryan steer home a trotter Wreckognize of the near impossible 80m handicap
Its been a very long time since a horse won of 80m in SA
One of our great SaFooty tipsters made this horse a Betfair lay
Ryan I have noticed is a brilliant tactition and steers his horses to get maximum results
Simon Jones is another who is a brilliant tactition, but he is way behind Ryan in steering
Ryan comes from a fine sporting pedigree
John Hryhorec[DAD?] was a good trainer in the 70/80s from his Rosewater stables
I loved backing Juggler Vain, a handy sit sprinter that John trained
Uncle Alex a former PA footballer and assistant coach at WWT
Is Ryan the 2nd best driver in SA

[mighty_tiger_79]

I think AG loves to back Ryan on whatever it is he drives.

wet tracks, well of course it would hinder pacers, you only have to look at the track after there has been some rain.....

Australian horses will win races in the States. A touch of Flair trialled i believe in around the 1:53 mark, and will be set for races in sweden.......

[mal]

MT79
BOYSIE was cruising in race 1 Monday and appeared to get bogged down in front
do you in your expert opinion consider the wet conditions affected the result
It started $1-20 favourite

[mighty_tiger_79]

I didnt have the chance to see the race, but managed to lose my pay on BOYSIE. IMO I believe that wet tracks dont really suit those horses racing along the pegs.......

but I may be wrong and im sure the experts will let me know if i am...........

[G]

Seems you have forgotten about Mark Webster. Can hold his own in any company and also comes from a sporting background having played league footy at North under Nunan. The reason blokes like Davo, Roz and Mark are a cut above the rest is because they occasionally punt, always do the replays and therefore are switched on and know the form of both the horses they drive and the field in general. Also Simmo being a punter will and has helped his development as a driver

[mighty_tiger_79]

G what about the wet tracks???

[mal]

Seems you have forgotten about Mark Webster. Can hold his own in any company and also comes from a sporting background having played league footy at North under Nunan. The reason blokes like Davo, Roz and Mark are a cut above the rest is because they occasionally punt, always do the replays and therefore are switched on and know the form of both the horses they drive and the field in general. Also Simmo being a punter will and has helped his development as a driver

Ive heard the same logic from a few good punters how good drivers can
read a race because they study the compilation of the fields
Ryan Hryhorec certainly fits the bill
G who is better Mark Webster or Ryan Hryhorec ?

[mighty_tiger_79]

Seems you have forgotten about Mark Webster. Can hold his own in any company and also comes from a sporting background having played league footy at North under Nunan. The reason blokes like Davo, Roz and Mark are a cut above the rest is because they occasionally punt, always do the replays and therefore are switched on and know the form of both the horses they drive and the field in general. Also Simmo being a punter will and has helped his development as a driver

Ive heard the same logic from a few good punters how good drivers can
read a race because they study the compilation of the fields
Ryan Hryhorec certainly fits the bill
G who is better Mark Webster or Ryan Hryhorec ?

depends on who they backed?????

[SCD]

WET TRACKS AT TROTS
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Does a wet track impede pacers as it does Thoroughbred horses
Just seen some improbable results the last 2 weeks, some shorties losing
and a few bolters getting up
Perhaps some horses are not handling wet tracks
Leave it to the experts BAYMAN/G/SCD/JACKPOT JIM/CENTREMAN to comment

Wet tracks do effect performance in that it can effect how a horse can run - some horses are comfortable and some aren't in the conditions.. It seems to effect runners back in the field more - as they get covered in crap.. but the front markers are in "clean" going as such...

Impact on results generally speaking isn't much - as the horses don't sink into the track all that much (well Gawler does.. but it does when it's dry), but the sulkys do.. for the horses it more becomes slippery and a bit cut up (but for the bikes sinking into the track it makes it easier for a horse to pull a lighter driver then a heavier driver..) and i'd suggest that has more to do with it then anything else

In terms of Boyzy - i've been told the horse just switched off, it had nothing to do with the conditions - it just thorugh it had done enough...

In terms of drivers.. I have my do and don't back list...
Ryan, David are def top of my do back list..
Wayne Hill + Mark Webster not far behind - but these blokes don't seem to drive many bad horses, so are made to look better then maybe the likes of Ryan and David - who can still win or run money on the longer priced horses...

[G]

SCD, Wayne Hill is nowhere near the same league as the 3 others mentioned and in fact I'm not sure he's a better driver than his sister Danni. As a tactician, Wayne still has a lot to learn but he is getting there gradually.

[bayman]

SCD, Wayne Hill is nowhere near the same league as the 3 others mentioned and in fact I'm not sure he's a better driver than his sister Danni. As a tactician, Wayne still has a lot to learn but he is getting there gradually.

too many 'experts with instructions' in waynes' ear, if he cleans up his act & weeds out the pests he'll be good, but at the moment he is lets say driving for .......???????????????????????????

[mal]

BAYMAN or G
Have you comments on BOYSIE getting beaten

[bayman]

wet tracks there is no real problem as horses are pulling or pushing (depending on who you believe) rather than carrying including weight, as they do in the gallops, now admittingly the inside after a few races does chop up whichwould slow them a bit & the death ends up being better but all you have to do is look at the pattern of racing & judge

BOYZYZ, 100% correct scd the horse switched off (straight from jocks mouth) & mal the track was fine that is no exuse, & yes i had it in my allups it will be driven out this week

aussie horses in the usa, if you ever get the harness weekly they tell you how 'expats' are going over there, it amazes me that some limited horses from here can go over there & win consistently & in sub 1.56 the only reason i can come up with is perhaps because they can drug them over there

[mal]

wet tracks there is no real problem as horses are pulling or pushing (depending on who you believe) rather than carrying including weight, as they do in the gallops, now admittingly the inside after a few races does chop up whichwould slow them a bit & the death ends up being better but all you have to do is look at the pattern of racing & judge

BOYZYZ, 100% correct scd the horse switched off (straight from jocks mouth) & mal the track was fine that is no exuse, & yes i had it in my allups it will be driven out this week

aussie horses in the usa, if you ever get the harness weekly they tell you how 'expats' are going over there, it amazes me that some limited horses from here can go over there & win consistently & in sub 1.56 the only reason i can come up with is perhaps because they can drug them over there

Quicker tracks quicker times, different surfaces is why they run 1-56 subs. ???

[bayman]

wet tracks there is no real problem as horses are pulling or pushing (depending on who you believe) rather than carrying including weight, as they do in the gallops, now admittingly the inside after a few races does chop up whichwould slow them a bit & the death ends up being better but all you have to do is look at the pattern of racing & judge

BOYZYZ, 100% correct scd the horse switched off (straight from jocks mouth) & mal the track was fine that is no exuse, & yes i had it in my allups it will be driven out this week

aussie horses in the usa, if you ever get the harness weekly they tell you how 'expats' are going over there, it amazes me that some limited horses from here can go over there & win consistently & in sub 1.56 the only reason i can come up with is perhaps because they can drug them over there

Quicker tracks quicker times, different surfaces is why they run 1-56 subs. ???

no mal not quicker but BIGGER TRACKS means quicker times i didn't think of that originally

[mal]

RESULTS FROM MONDAY
BOOKIE TOO CLEVER AGAIN
Below SPs v TAB finishing odds

RACE...BOOKIE...TAB

1.........8-00........8-70
2.........11-00.....12-90
3.........17-00.....22-70
4..........1-50........1-60
5..........10-00.....24-50
6..........4-00........7-30
7.........26-00......48-20
8.........21-00......20-50 [ must have been daydreaming this result]

Clever Bookie

[SCD]

SCD, Wayne Hill is nowhere near the same league as the 3 others mentioned and in fact I'm not sure he's a better driver than his sister Danni. As a tactician, Wayne still has a lot to learn but he is getting there gradually.

G agree that Wayne isn't in the same league as Dave, Rossy or Boof - but he is getting better and better and the horses are running better for him now more then ever - he can drive...

[SCD]

SCD, Wayne Hill is nowhere near the same league as the 3 others mentioned and in fact I'm not sure he's a better driver than his sister Danni. As a tactician, Wayne still has a lot to learn but he is getting there gradually.

too many 'experts with instructions' in waynes' ear, if he cleans up his act & weeds out the pests he'll be good, but at the moment he is lets say driving for .......???????????????????????????

Bayman - I would be suggesting you look at Wayne's record the last 4 - 5 weeks driving rather then looking at what may / may not have been happening some 3 months ago.. there are a lot more winners - have a look at his record since 1 April

29 drives for 7 wins and 10 placings.. (a 25% win ratio and over 50% place ratio) - I would suggest this is far better then the previous 3 months combined...

As for Danni, I agree she is a good driver and has driven my horse very well the couple of times she's been put on - but she has the same influences that Wayne has (even if not lead quite so easily) and I note she hasn't been driving as many horses the last few weeks??

[SCD]

wet tracks there is no real problem as horses are pulling or pushing (depending on who you believe) rather than carrying including weight, as they do in the gallops, now admittingly the inside after a few races does chop up whichwould slow them a bit & the death ends up being better but all you have to do is look at the pattern of racing & judge

BOYZYZ, 100% correct scd the horse switched off (straight from jocks mouth) & mal the track was fine that is no exuse, & yes i had it in my allups it will be driven out this week

aussie horses in the usa, if you ever get the harness weekly they tell you how 'expats' are going over there, it amazes me that some limited horses from here can go over there & win consistently & in sub 1.56 the only reason i can come up with is perhaps because they can drug them over there

Quicker tracks quicker times, different surfaces is why they run 1-56 subs. ???

no mal not quicker but BIGGER TRACKS means quicker times i didn't think of that originally

Don't forget the Hormones + other treatments the USA horses can race on (including substances to stop them 'bleeding', pardon my spelling - i'm not up with all the drugs, but things like Lasix + other even better drugs that I know of - but not about..) - these treatments improve the horses out of sight + the bigger tracks and they basically on race mile races - very few 2000m + races...

This on top of the work they give these horses - they go on a walker for 1 1/2 hours every day just about - keeping the blood pumping + some exercise for the horse - what more can you ask for?? a fit horse that can run on more drugs, to improve performance.

[bayman]

SCD, Wayne Hill is nowhere near the same league as the 3 others mentioned and in fact I'm not sure he's a better driver than his sister Danni. As a tactician, Wayne still has a lot to learn but he is getting there gradually.

too many 'experts with instructions' in waynes' ear, if he cleans up his act & weeds out the pests he'll be good, but at the moment he is lets say driving for .......???????????????????????????

Bayman - I would be suggesting you look at Wayne's record the last 4 - 5 weeks driving rather then looking at what may / may not have been happening some 3 months ago.. there are a lot more winners - have a look at his record since 1 April

29 drives for 7 wins and 10 placings.. (a 25% win ratio and over 50% place ratio) - I would suggest this is far better then the previous 3 months combined...

As for Danni, I agree she is a good driver and has driven my horse very well the couple of times she's been put on - but she has the same influences that Wayne has (even if not lead quite so easily) and I note she hasn't been driving as many horses the last few weeks??

scd i was giving the general analysis rather than a time, yes he may be out of the 'outside influences' & that as we know would help him immensly straight away, as we know he has the ability to go forward in this game