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West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:08 pmby Sojourner
Is there any truth to the rumour that prior to the merger with Woodville, West Torrens were considering a relocation to the Modbury area where they were at the time allocated a recruiting zone in the North Eastern Suburbs?
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:12 pmby Pseudo
I have a vague memory that Torrens was encouraged to move up northeast by the powers that be, some time in the early to mid '80s. Torrens declined due to not wanting to leave its heartland. This is all just a weak memory to me, I could be quite wrong. However I wonder how the league would have panned out if such a move actually went ahead back then...
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:28 pmby spell_check
West Torrens were considering moving to a completely new venue, which would have been located in the triangle area bounded by Golden Grove, Hancock and Yatala Vale Roads. This could only have been done via a relocation grant - Torrens' financial situation was not good even at that time (1982). This would have enabled them to construct the venue, plus I'd imagine things like promoting itself in the area and possible monetary loss from losing members due to the relocation. The SANFL denied the grant, then took the Tea Tree Gully area away from West Torrens under a re-zoning at the time, because of the SANFL's wish to "keep the borders within each clubs' identifiable area".
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:27 amby Magpiespower
Yatala Warriors has a ring to it.
They could wear the prison-bars, too.
Who would be the club mascot though?
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:54 pmby Sojourner
spell_check wrote:West Torrens were considering moving to a completely new venue, which would have been located in the triangle area bounded by Golden Grove, Hancock and Yatala Vale Roads. This could only have been done via a relocation grant - Torrens' financial situation was not good even at that time (1982). This would have enabled them to construct the venue, plus I'd imagine things like promoting itself in the area and possible monetary loss from losing members due to the relocation. The SANFL denied the grant, then took the Tea Tree Gully area away from West Torrens under a re-zoning at the time, because of the SANFL's wish to "keep the borders within each clubs' identifiable area".
Thankyou!
Interesting to think what the SANFL might be like now if that had of occured!
Sadly today the SANFL has stuff all interest in the North Eastern Suburbs which is to the detriment of the SANFL. Tea Tree Gully is allocated to Norwood whose ground is well over 20ks away, so the ads for "Local Footy" are somewhat misguided if you live out this way!
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:50 pmby Mickyj
[quote="Magpiespower"
They could wear the prison-bars, too.
[/quote]
Torrens would have had to steal them off Port
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:35 pmby spell_check
Sojourner wrote:spell_check wrote:West Torrens were considering moving to a completely new venue, which would have been located in the triangle area bounded by Golden Grove, Hancock and Yatala Vale Roads. This could only have been done via a relocation grant - Torrens' financial situation was not good even at that time (1982). This would have enabled them to construct the venue, plus I'd imagine things like promoting itself in the area and possible monetary loss from losing members due to the relocation. The SANFL denied the grant, then took the Tea Tree Gully area away from West Torrens under a re-zoning at the time, because of the SANFL's wish to "keep the borders within each clubs' identifiable area".
Thankyou!
Interesting to think what the SANFL might be like now if that had of occured!
Sadly today the SANFL has stuff all interest in the North Eastern Suburbs which is to the detriment of the SANFL. Tea Tree Gully is allocated to Norwood whose ground is well over 20ks away, so the ads for "Local Footy" are somewhat misguided if you live out this way!
Doesn't really make sense though, does it. But that's what the reason was for - the SANFL didn't seem prepared to part with some money to take the game to that part of Adelaide. They should have done it properly in 1959 and put a team there instead of in the Woodville area. But that of course is in the past, and is part of the history of our League.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:58 pmby Psyber
Mickyj wrote:Magpiespower wrote:They could wear the prison-bars, too.
Torrens would have had to steal them off Port
I'm sure they could have shared the holiday accommodation centrally placed between their zones - or one of them could have had a "Crime Convertors" logo on the jumper!
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:44 pmby Sojourner
spell_check wrote:Doesn't really make sense though, does it. But that's what the reason was for - the SANFL didn't seem prepared to part with some money to take the game to that part of Adelaide. They should have done it properly in 1959 and put a team there instead of in the Woodville area. But that of course is in the past, and is part of the history of our League.
Interestingly, the site where Yatala jail, the womens prision at Walkley Heights and the area where James Nash house is at Oakden (another booming north eastern suburb) will soon be massive housing projects teeming with young families, in addition to the continuing expansion of Golden Grove, Wynn Vale and Greenwith. It was mentioned in the local paper that the upcomming extensions to the Golden Grove shopping centre will soon rival Tea Tree Plaza in size of stores and range of shops. Yet the SANFL does not seem to want a part of it at any price!
The Tea Tree Gully Football Club has waiting lists of potential players as do at least two other local Amatuer clubs. Why the SANFL does not want to bring footy to the North Eastern Suburbs is something that can only serve to keep the SANFL from growing, so why they would do that who knows!
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:00 amby HeartBeatsTrue
Sojourner wrote:spell_check wrote:Doesn't really make sense though, does it. But that's what the reason was for - the SANFL didn't seem prepared to part with some money to take the game to that part of Adelaide. They should have done it properly in 1959 and put a team there instead of in the Woodville area. But that of course is in the past, and is part of the history of our League.
Interestingly, the site where Yatala jail, the womens prision at Walkley Heights and the area where James Nash house is at Oakden (another booming north eastern suburb) will soon be massive housing projects teeming with young families, in addition to the continuing expansion of Golden Grove, Wynn Vale and Greenwith. It was mentioned in the local paper that the upcomming extensions to the Golden Grove shopping centre will soon rival Tea Tree Plaza in size of stores and range of shops. Yet the SANFL does not seem to want a part of it at any price!
The Tea Tree Gully Football Club has waiting lists of potential players as do at least two other local Amatuer clubs. Why the SANFL does not want to bring footy to the North Eastern Suburbs is something that can only serve to keep the SANFL from growing, so why they would do that who knows!
Sojo, you're going on like the area isnt zoned at all. Norwood's juniors train at Golden Grove, and travelling 20km in this day and age to play a game of footy isnt that bad. (Playing junior matches at GG would have some merit though.)
A 10th team from NE suburbs wouldnt be feasible either. (Perhaps 20 years ago it may have)
Spelly, in 1959, how many residents were there in Golden Grove/Modbury/Tea Tree Gully? Not enough to support a football club I would imagine.
A new or re-located club may have worked in NE in the mid 80's, when the competition was still thriving with decent crowds.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:13 amby Sojourner
[quote="HeartBeatsTrue]
Sojo, you're going on like the area isnt zoned at all. Norwood's juniors train at Golden Grove, and travelling 20km in this day and age to play a game of footy isnt that bad. (Playing junior matches at GG would have some merit though.)
A 10th team from NE suburbs wouldnt be feasible either. (Perhaps 20 years ago it may have)[/quote]
HBT,
I have a lot of time for the Norwood footy club, so dont get me wrong, yet although Norwood have built the Nor East at Windsor Gardens, Norths "Grand North" is still the closest venue to the outer North Eastern suburbs. It is great that Norwoods juniors are training out at Golden Grove though, yet Norwood need to take that the next step further and schedule some games out here and do more to connect with the area.
Norwood more represent the Eastern Suburbs, The outer North Eastern Suburbs should have a stand alone side representing them not unlike Port Adelaide in the North Western Suburbs.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:48 pmby Mickyj
Psyber wrote:Mickyj wrote:Magpiespower wrote:They could wear the prison-bars, too.
Torrens would have had to steal them off Port
I'm sure they could have shared the holiday accommodation centrally placed between their zones - or one of them could have had a "Crime Convertors" logo on the jumper!
Don't forget my once beloved West Torrens Football Club was first Called port Natives .So its not far from the truth there Psyber they could have shared the logo.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:43 pmby spell_check
HeartBeatsTrue wrote:Sojourner wrote:spell_check wrote:Doesn't really make sense though, does it. But that's what the reason was for - the SANFL didn't seem prepared to part with some money to take the game to that part of Adelaide. They should have done it properly in 1959 and put a team there instead of in the Woodville area. But that of course is in the past, and is part of the history of our League.
Interestingly, the site where Yatala jail, the womens prision at Walkley Heights and the area where James Nash house is at Oakden (another booming north eastern suburb) will soon be massive housing projects teeming with young families, in addition to the continuing expansion of Golden Grove, Wynn Vale and Greenwith. It was mentioned in the local paper that the upcomming extensions to the Golden Grove shopping centre will soon rival Tea Tree Plaza in size of stores and range of shops. Yet the SANFL does not seem to want a part of it at any price!
The Tea Tree Gully Football Club has waiting lists of potential players as do at least two other local Amatuer clubs. Why the SANFL does not want to bring footy to the North Eastern Suburbs is something that can only serve to keep the SANFL from growing, so why they would do that who knows!
Sojo, you're going on like the area isnt zoned at all. Norwood's juniors train at Golden Grove, and travelling 20km in this day and age to play a game of footy isnt that bad. (Playing junior matches at GG would have some merit though.)
A 10th team from NE suburbs wouldnt be feasible either. (Perhaps 20 years ago it may have)
Spelly, in 1959, how many residents were there in Golden Grove/Modbury/Tea Tree Gully? Not enough to support a football club I would imagine.
A new or re-located club may have worked in NE in the mid 80's, when the competition was still thriving with decent crowds.
I'd imagine not back then (1959), and I can't argue with what you have said. Financially and realistically at the moment the SANFL can only have 9 metro teams.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:28 pmby Hondo
I agree that a 10th team is unlikely however if 1 did ever come about the NE Suburbs always seem to be the obvious gap to me. Only thing is that Fairview Park is still the outer edge and the new development is around Golden Grove / Greenwith heading down towards Centrals territory.
When this discussion comes up I always think that South Adelaide are in the absolute box seat with all the development going on down south, thats a huge geographic footprint.
When I played for Fairview Park Primary we had the West Torrens logos on our guernseys and had Torrens players (Rod Gault was one) do our guernsey presentations. Then around 1983'ish Norwood took it over.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:00 pmby Strawb
I was reading in an SANFL book that the SANFL did plan for two teams in the 80's to be admitted one was from the tea tree gully area and the other was from norlunga as we all know it didn't happen.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:31 pmby bulldogproud
Sojourner wrote:spell_check wrote:Doesn't really make sense though, does it. But that's what the reason was for - the SANFL didn't seem prepared to part with some money to take the game to that part of Adelaide. They should have done it properly in 1959 and put a team there instead of in the Woodville area. But that of course is in the past, and is part of the history of our League.
Interestingly, the site where Yatala jail, the womens prision at Walkley Heights and the area where James Nash house is at Oakden (another booming north eastern suburb) will soon be massive housing projects teeming with young families, in addition to the continuing expansion of Golden Grove, Wynn Vale and Greenwith. It was mentioned in the local paper that the upcomming extensions to the Golden Grove shopping centre will soon rival Tea Tree Plaza in size of stores and range of shops. Yet the SANFL does not seem to want a part of it at any price!
The Tea Tree Gully Football Club has waiting lists of potential players as do at least two other local Amatuer clubs. Why the SANFL does not want to bring footy to the North Eastern Suburbs is something that can only serve to keep the SANFL from growing, so why they would do that who knows!
Another area that could do with some promotion by the SANFL would be Mount Barker, the fastest growing area in South Australia and the tenth fastest growing area in Australia!
Cheers
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:24 pmby am Bays
bulldogproud wrote:
Another area that could do with some promotion by the SANFL would be Mount Barker, the fastest growing area in South Australia and the tenth fastest growing area in Australia!
Cheers
*sigh*
Sturt are already there and promoting themselves and the game of Footy. I'll think you'll find a lot of work being done in the new growth areas of Adelaide like Mt Barker by teh clubs responsible for that zone.
Expect to see Sturts country zone shrink geographically but not in numbers of 15 yo boys who are used to setermin the distribution of footy zones as the Mount Barker town grows.
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:10 pmby Footy Chick
hondo71 wrote:I agree that a 10th team is unlikely however if 1 did ever come about the NE Suburbs always seem to be the obvious gap to me. Only thing is that Fairview Park is still the outer edge and the new development is around Golden Grove / Greenwith heading down towards Centrals territory.
I still dont understand why GG isnt Centrals territory, it's closer to Elizabeth than Norwood, Im still trying to figure out how the boundaries changed some time ago.
I went to Dernancourt PS and back then I remember it being in the North Zone, but is now Norwood. Gilles Plains High (which is on Sudholz Rd) is definite North Territory, as was Strathmont (Blacks Rd), Holden Hill Primary School (Mercedes Drive, next to Kildare)
was also North.But the Noreast is on North East Rd,so Im wondering where the bloody boundary is for the Norwood/North zone???
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:30 pmby MatteeG
Magpiespower wrote:Yatala Warriors has a ring to it.
They could wear the prison-bars, too.
Who would be the club mascot though?
Re: West Torrens relocating to Modbury pre Merger?
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:38 pmby Dogwatcher
hondo71 wrote: When this discussion comes up I always think that South Adelaide are in the absolute box seat with all the development going on down south, thats a huge geographic footprint.
Centrals are also in a very good position with a new residential development that will number thousands of houses set to be established between Virginia and Munno Para.