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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby spell_check » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:23 pm

I personally haven't seen exactly when the SANFL ruled that a drawn final would be extra time, but I have seen another reference that it would be the case somewhere else from an 80s source.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:08 pm

Port were our B!tches that year in big games, watched the YouTube of the 1982 Escort Cup final last night. ;)

Then watched the last qtr of the 1986 game at Alberton on the Big Replay.

Fair move of Cornesy to put Hall forward at the 20 min mark of the last qtr when we were behind (Woodlands off, Stringer to HB, Hall forward). He kicks the last two of the game. The sealer comes from a 40 m bullet from Carey on his right. Earlier that quarter he's lacing blokes over 30 on his left.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I cant recall a more complete big man in Australian football. Rucking, Marking, hand ball and kicking over 40m. Both sides of the body. The more I watch of Carey the more I appreciate what a freak he was and how blessed the GFC were to have him.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Spargo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:17 pm

am Bays wrote:Port were our B!tches that year in big games, watched the YouTube of the 1982 Escort Cup final last night. ;)

Then watched the last qtr of the 1986 game at Alberton on the Big Replay.

Fair move of Cornesy to put Hall forward at the 20 min mark of the last qtr when we were behind (Woodlands off, Stringer to HB, Hall forward). He kicks the last two of the game. The sealer comes from a 40 m bullet from Carey on his right. Earlier that quarter he's lacing blokes over 30 on his left.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I cant recall a more complete big man in Australian football. Rucking, Marking, hand ball and kicking over 40m. Both sides of the body. The more I watch of Carey the more I appreciate what a freak he was and how blessed the GFC were to have him.


The week before (at Norwood) Glenelg had only won 3 out the first 9 games coming off a 10 goal belting at Richmond. Cornes left Super in the ruck all day at the Parade (and subsequently all year). Season defining move. We only lost 4 of the remaining 17 games.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

Spargo wrote:The week before (at Norwood) Glenelg had only won 3 out the first 9 games coming off a 10 goal belting at Richmond. Cornes left Super in the ruck all day at the Parade (and subsequently all year). Season defining move. We only lost 4 of the remaining 17 games.


He rucked all day at Alberton too.

The man's a freak!
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby JK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:07 am

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am Bays wrote:Port were our B!tches that year in big games, watched the YouTube of the 1982 Escort Cup final last night. ;)

Then watched the last qtr of the 1986 game at Alberton on the Big Replay.

Fair move of Cornesy to put Hall forward at the 20 min mark of the last qtr when we were behind (Woodlands off, Stringer to HB, Hall forward). He kicks the last two of the game. The sealer comes from a 40 m bullet from Carey on his right. Earlier that quarter he's lacing blokes over 30 on his left.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I cant recall a more complete big man in Australian football. Rucking, Marking, hand ball and kicking over 40m. Both sides of the body. The more I watch of Carey the more I appreciate what a freak he was and how blessed the GFC were to have him.


The week before (at Norwood) Glenelg had only won 3 out the first 9 games coming off a 10 goal belting at Richmond. Cornes left Super in the ruck all day at the Parade (and subsequently all year). Season defining move. We only lost 4 of the remaining 17 games.


Not that it was ever needed, but if you’d ever had to play Super back into form, just line him up against Norwood. He absolutely destroyed us in the mid 80’s. One of our issues under Balme around that time was rather than pinpointing forwards, we’d just bomb it long. For someone who read the play aswell as Carey, that was bread, butter and gravy all rolled into one. As a staunch one eyed Norwood kid, I never appreciated Super enough. He was indeed a complete champion.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:25 am

But you won the only game that really matters that year JK.

Reality for us was our GF was the week before. Coming from 4th spot we'd beaten Centrals, then Sturt (farewell Jack) and then spent all our chips in the rain with-holding Port in a belter at Footy park

Norwood had the flag won that night
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby JK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:55 am

am Bays wrote:But you won the only game that really matters that year JK.

Reality for us was our GF was the week before. Coming from 4th spot we'd beaten Centrals, then Sturt (farewell Jack) and then spent all our chips in the rain with-holding Port in a belter at Footy park

Norwood had the flag won that night


I was thinking more about 85-86. I think we would have been good anyway in 82’ (not that we’ll ever know), but for you guys to have Carey on one leg and Weston full of flu’ kinda killed any chance you might have had (coupled with a few other banged up bodies from the week before).
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Magellan » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:34 am

JK wrote: One of our issues under Balme around that time was rather than pinpointing forwards, we’d just bomb it long.

Interested in your view, JK - my recollection of Norwood in the mid to late-80s was also a lack of a strong, reliable full-forward. It seemed like the missing piece of the puzzle, because Balme had a pretty good side in other departments during those years. Once Rocky Roberts retired, there never really seemed to be anyone who filled the void, save for Mark Ducker who wasn't really a key position player (bit a quality player nonetheless, despite frequent injury). Also recall James Weeding up forward in around 1989-90, but I'm not sure he did a lot of damage.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Magellan » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:50 am

JK wrote:As a staunch one eyed Norwood kid, I never appreciated Super enough. He was indeed a complete champion.

I also have to admit to this, he was a quality player right up to retirement, didn't seem to peter (sorry about the pun) out as time went on. He certainly didn't deserve the pent-up spray I gave him in the 1987 grand final following his clash at half time with Peter Bennett, he was comfortably their best player that day IMO.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby JK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:13 pm

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JK wrote: One of our issues under Balme around that time was rather than pinpointing forwards, we’d just bomb it long.

Interested in your view, JK - my recollection of Norwood in the mid to late-80s was also a lack of a strong, reliable full-forward. It seemed like the missing piece of the puzzle, because Balme had a pretty good side in other departments during those years. Once Rocky Roberts retired, there never really seemed to be anyone who filled the void, save for Mark Ducker who wasn't really a key position player (bit a quality player nonetheless, despite frequent injury). Also recall James Weeding up forward in around 1989-90, but I'm not sure he did a lot of damage.


On the mark I reckon mate, as a young lad my old man and I always used to bemoan our lack of a true CHF. In the early 80’s we could get by with the combination of Michelanney, Button and occasionally Jimmy Thiel. They would at least compete, take a grab here and there, and bring our smaller fleet into the game to either do the scoring or find Rocky. Around the mid 80’s due to age all 4 of those were either gone or winding up. After that we had Craig Kelly for a bit but he was a bit inconsistent and it wasn’t long til he was off to Collingwood.

Ducker was a decent player but really should have been a 3rd or 2nd (at a pinch) focal target. We mixed and matched a lot at CHF with players like the Maynard brothers, Sheedy, and some bits and pieces. Doug Smart actually provides a Target there in around 89’ and 90’ and combined with Weeding, Ducker and Pascoe we had some x-factor ehinon their day could beat anyone, but the consistency was lacking.

We were on a huge roll in 90’ winning something like 9 straight
Including consecutive wins over Glenelg, Port and North. Then Weeding went down for the remainder of the year (pretty much career over too) and things started to go wrong behind closed doors. As good
As good as all our opponents were, with a little luck I still think we could have seriously challenged in 87’ and 90’, bit we didn’t have the winning mentality tonget us through in big games as those opponents did and imho we weren’t hard enough, and that found us out in big finals against the other 3.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Magellan » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:20 pm

JK wrote:As good as all our opponents were, with a little luck I still think we could have seriously challenged in 87’ and 90’, bit we didn’t have the winning mentality tonget us through in big games as those opponents did and imho we weren’t hard enough, and that found us out in big finals against the other 3.

I couldn't say the same for the Bays, but I felt we had Norwood's measure throughout 1987, although the second half of the second semi did have me worried as the rain started to come down and Norwood began to give it a real shake. For most of that year I thought we'd play off against Norwood in the Grand Final.

As for Doug Smart, there's a player I'm not sad that we lost. Could be absolutely brilliant, but never when it really mattered, and was woefully inconsistent.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby JK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:32 pm

Magellan wrote:
JK wrote:As good as all our opponents were, with a little luck I still think we could have seriously challenged in 87’ and 90’, bit we didn’t have the winning mentality tonget us through in big games as those opponents did and imho we weren’t hard enough, and that found us out in big finals against the other 3.

I couldn't say the same for the Bays, but I felt we had Norwood's measure throughout 1987, although the second half of the second semi did have me worried as the rain started to come down and Norwood began to give it a real shake. For most of that year I thought we'd play off against Norwood in the Grand Final.

As for Doug Smart, there's a player I'm not sad that we lost. Could be absolutely brilliant, but never when it really mattered, and was woefully inconsistent.


You're probably right about 87', but we flew home in that 2nd Semi and when Payne kicked our 4th in a row in the last quarter to bring the margin back to single figures, we looked to have you on toast. Unfortunately the goal was disallowed after one of the men in white paid a free kick against Rowe for shepherding. That seemed to take the wind out of our sails (mental fragility again) and despite kicking into a gale, North locked the ball down for what seemed like 15-20 minutes of scrappy scoreless play, kicked a goal and it was game over. We had a massive opportunity but it's funny in a way because all most people seem to remember from that day was the VFL Prelim. Dont think I can recall a game where so many spectators had the tranny to the ear riding every play across the border hoping the Dees could keep the fairytale alive.

To be fair, for most of 86'-89' North and Glenelg seemed to own us .. We jagged the odd win (maybe 1 against each) within that timeframe, but it always looked a classic case of North/Glenelg both knowing they had our measure when we'd front up against them and thats generally how it played out.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Magellan » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:06 pm

JK wrote:You're probably right about 87', but we flew home in that 2nd Semi and when Payne kicked our 4th in a row in the last quarter to bring the margin back to single figures, we looked to have you on toast. Unfortunately the goal was disallowed after one of the men in white paid a free kick against Rowe for shepherding. That seemed to take the wind out of our sails (mental fragility again) and despite kicking into a gale, North locked the ball down for what seemed like 15-20 minutes of scrappy scoreless play, kicked a goal and it was game over. We had a massive opportunity but it's funny in a way because all most people seem to remember from that day was the VFL Prelim. Dont think I can recall a game where so many spectators had the tranny to the ear riding every play across the border hoping the Dees could keep the fairytale alive.

Great summary JK, pretty much as I recalled it. Still trying to find a copy of that second semi.

We didn't have a tranny* with us that day, and we were transfixed watching the game, and I recall hearing the VFL result from others as we walked out of the ground, incredulous that Melbourne lost after the siren.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:34 pm

If there's one silver lining to this whole COVID19 malarkey is that it's made me give SAFootballArchive a good smashing on YouTube.

Has footy changed? Yep.
Has it improved? yep in some aspects

What hasn't changed is the good players are great no matter what era

Watching some of the Norwood highlights you see Macca and next minute a 30 m handball is effortlessly fired out (inevitably out of shot of the camera as it pans to the receiver) to the advantage of a Norwood player. The result either a Norwood goal or a contest and Macca follows up, crashes in, wins the footy, fires out another 30 m handball...

rinse repeat....
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:37 pm

Back to that night GF in 1982

Half way through the last Granger is throwing his weight around and gives Cornesy (Cornes playing CHB and Granger CHF) a shove/bump. The great man goes back and gives Granger a shove as if to say, "Mate you're as tough as wet toilet paper". You can see words being exchanged.

I wonder if there was ever an Act II.....
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby Magellan » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:38 pm

am Bays wrote:If there's one silver lining to this whole COVID19 malarkey is that it's made me give SAFootballArchive a good smashing on YouTube.

Yes indeed, what a great resource/distraction.

am Bays wrote:Has footy changed? Yep.
Has it improved? yep in some aspects

In what ways would you say it's changed for the better? FWIW, I'm of the opposite view.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby robranisgod » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:25 pm

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JK wrote:You're probably right about 87', but we flew home in that 2nd Semi and when Payne kicked our 4th in a row in the last quarter to bring the margin back to single figures, we looked to have you on toast. Unfortunately the goal was disallowed after one of the men in white paid a free kick against Rowe for shepherding. That seemed to take the wind out of our sails (mental fragility again) and despite kicking into a gale, North locked the ball down for what seemed like 15-20 minutes of scrappy scoreless play, kicked a goal and it was game over. We had a massive opportunity but it's funny in a way because all most people seem to remember from that day was the VFL Prelim. Dont think I can recall a game where so many spectators had the tranny to the ear riding every play across the border hoping the Dees could keep the fairytale alive.

Great summary JK, pretty much as I recalled it. Still trying to find a copy of that second semi.

We didn't have a tranny* with us that day, and we were transfixed watching the game, and I recall hearing the VFL result from others as we walked out of the ground, incredulous that Melbourne lost after the siren.


North beat Norwood 4 times in 1987. Three times at Footy Park and once at Norwood. They didn't play at Prospect where Norwood won in 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989 and 1990. One of the strangest quirks is that North won at Norwood in 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989 and twice in 1990. As well as the home ground advantage you would have thought that the bigger Prospect Oval would have suited North whereas the closer confines of Norwood would have seen McIntosh in particular come into his own, but it wasn't to be.
I remember being shocked when Norwood kicked 3 goals to get within 7 points of North early in the last quarter of the second semi, I hadn't contemplated North losing until that stage, they had always been in control, and conditions were such that there had only been one goal scored in the third quarter. For a few minutes I thought North were gone. You are right about North locking the ball in their forward zone before Darel Hart and Darren Jarman kicked a couple of late goals to steady the ship.
I, too, have been searching high and low to see that game. I did have it on video tape but that has long ago disappeared. It seems strange that it is about the only game from the 1980s finals that doesn't appear to be anywhere on the Internet. The only highlights I have seen in the last 20 years are from "1987 The Way It Was" when you see Darel Hart's late goal but not much more.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm

Magellan wrote:
am Bays wrote:If there's one silver lining to this whole COVID19 malarkey is that it's made me give SAFootballArchive a good smashing on YouTube.

Yes indeed, what a great resource/distraction.

am Bays wrote:Has footy changed? Yep.
Has it improved? yep in some aspects

In what ways would you say it's changed for the better? FWIW, I'm of the opposite view.


The game is faster, there's more pressure (which can lead to more mistakes. I think the biggest improvement has come in the bottom tier of players who now get more coaching and conditioning so they can play better. Through modern analysis the characteristics of the better players are coached into the lesser players

In other words the top level hasn't changed that much as the great players in each era (then and now) are great - I've highlighted the likes of Robran, Ebert, Macintosh and Carey in the history board. Put them into todays professional footy environment and they'd still dominate in fact would be possible even better than what they were.

But it's the bottom six of each team now that are better than the old days IMO.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:35 pm

I think great footy sides aren't great necessarily because of their stars they're great because of their bottom tier players.

I used to say the 21st player picked at Centrals (2000-2010) would make every other league side you couldn't say that about the 21st player at the other eight clubs.

The same with the 20th player at Port back in the day and even the Hawthorn teams of 2012-2015 and the late 80s.

Great teams are defined by their depth and their system of play that is reliable in finals footy.
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Re: 1982 preliminary final

Postby robranisgod » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:22 pm

am Bays wrote:I think great footy sides aren't great necessarily because of their stars they're great because of their bottom tier players.

I used to say the 21st player picked at Centrals (2000-2010) would make every other league side you couldn't say that about the 21st player at the other eight clubs.

The same with the 20th player at Port back in the day and even the Hawthorn teams of 2012-2015 and the late 80s.

Great teams are defined by their depth and their system of play that is reliable in finals footy.


As an interested, unbiassed observer I thought that was always Glenelg's problem from 1974 until 1985. They had their top end champs but their last 4 or 5 weren't a match for teams like Port. Certainly that changed in 1985 though when 18 of the 20 Glenelg players at some time in their career either played VFL/AFL or interstate football.
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