Grade Cricket

[Tony Clifton]

I think you wrote your scenario wrong in your first post

[Tony Clifton]

I haven't looked closely at how the D Grade will be administered (or the A Grade one day competition for that matter) but the one issue I've had previously is that C and D Grade reward outright wins too heavily.

A and B Grade are 20 points for a win, extra 10 for an outright. So a 50% bonus.

C and D Grade are (or were in the case of D Grade) 15 points for a win, extra 10 for an outright. So a 66.6% bonus.

Means that knocking over a dud team in a two dayer has too great a significance.

[Trader]

I think you wrote your scenario wrong in your first post

Exactly, posted a scenario where they had a different number of wins, then provided an explanation where they had the same.

As for the new system, I don't know what it is, but it appears to be a strange formula.
I am correct in assuming for D grade games it is now:

(Games Won / games played) * 12 * 15points

Why they've used 12 and not the total number of rounds (ie: games played plus byes) seems strange.

As for the final scenario, I have no issue with the outcome. That is, the team with a 16&1 record has had a better season than the side who is 15&1.

[woodvillewarrior]

I think you wrote your scenario wrong in your first post

Damn that extra beer.

Correct.
Team B should have been
3rd Grade wins 9 loses 3
4th Grade wins 14 loses 2

[woodvillewarrior]

I think you wrote your scenario wrong in your first post

Exactly, posted a scenario where they had a different number of wins, then provided an explanation where they had the same.

As for the new system, I don't know what it is, but it appears to be a strange formula.
I am correct in assuming for D grade games it is now:

(Games Won / games played) * 12 * 15points

Why they've used 12 and not the total number of rounds (ie: games played plus byes) seems strange.

As for the final scenario, I have no issue with the outcome. That is, the team with a 16&1 record has had a better season than the side who is 15&1.

Yep screwed the original example.
Thought the same re using 12 but do you use 16, 17 or 18?
And I disagree on the team have a better season. They simply haven't had the same season to compare.
At 15 and 1... you would confident of being 16 & 1 if given the opportunity

[Trader]

As for the final scenario, I have no issue with the outcome. That is, the team with a 16&1 record has had a better season than the side who is 15&1.

I disagree on the team have a better season. They simply haven't had the same season to compare.
At 15 and 1... you would confident of being 16 & 1 if given the opportunity

Correct, the club at 15&1 would EXPECT to win a 17th game, but if offered the opportunity to play the game, or be awarded a win, they would choose to take the win as it isn't guaranteed.

You could argue the side at 16&1 would have been 16&0 had they not had to play an extra game.

[Tony Clifton]

18 rounds

6 games per round

12 teams participating each round

216 playing spots available (18 x 12)

13 clubs

17.71 games per club which is a problem. Can't do decimals.

So how about we make one of the rounds 5 games, 3 teams with a bye

214 playing spots

17.47 games per club. Hmmm still a problem.

......

Let's fast forward to FOUR of the rounds 5 games, 3 teams with the bye

208 playing spots

16 games per club.

SOLVED.


I think? Should make it two byes for everyone.

[woodvillewarrior]

Was suggested and rejected.
No games on Australia Day for 4th grade.
Round 3 or 7 Port Adelaide v Sturt – both teams have Byes
Round 3 or 7 Glenelg vs Prospect – both teams have Byes
Round 3 or 7 Woodville vs East Torrens - both teams have byes
Round 13 Remove (aus day)
Round 14 or 19 Tea Tree Gully vs Kensington – both teams have byes
Then everyone plays 16 and everyone has 2 byes.
Problem solved.

[Trader]

Yup, would certainly seem the best method to create a 'fair' draw.

That said, some would argue it isn't about winning D-grade premierships, but D-grade is about developing future players, in which case they should be playing as much as possible to allow them to develop as cricketers and the slightly uneven draw is a small price to pay for developing the next Mike Hussey.

[the smokey]

Yup, would certainly seem the best method to create a 'fair' draw.

That said, some would argue it isn't about winning D-grade premierships, but D-grade is about developing future players, in which case they should be playing as much as possible to allow them to develop as cricketers and the slightly uneven draw is a small price to pay for developing the next Mike Hussey.

You will find now that the best ELITE kids - will go straight to C or B grade as that will allow them to play 2 day cricket rather than a whole year of 40 over a side cricket where they may not get the opportunities to bat long periods or bowl lengthy spells.

[Lightning McQueen]

Yup, would certainly seem the best method to create a 'fair' draw.

That said, some would argue it isn't about winning D-grade premierships, but D-grade is about developing future players, in which case they should be playing as much as possible to allow them to develop as cricketers and the slightly uneven draw is a small price to pay for developing the next Mike Hussey.

You will find now that the best ELITE kids - will go straight to C or B grade as that will allow them to play 2 day cricket rather than a whole year of 40 over a side cricket where they may not get the opportunities to bat long periods or bowl lengthy spells.

Kids can't bowl lengthy spells anymore I don't think.

[the smokey]

Yup, would certainly seem the best method to create a 'fair' draw.

That said, some would argue it isn't about winning D-grade premierships, but D-grade is about developing future players, in which case they should be playing as much as possible to allow them to develop as cricketers and the slightly uneven draw is a small price to pay for developing the next Mike Hussey.

You will find now that the best ELITE kids - will go straight to C or B grade as that will allow them to play 2 day cricket rather than a whole year of 40 over a side cricket where they may not get the opportunities to bat long periods or bowl lengthy spells.

Kids can't bowl lengthy spells anymore I don't think.

under 16 is 6 and under 18 - is 8 -
but its the second and third spells that are important late in the day that are important for kids to learn the importance of being able to bowl. there are two many kids who can bowl with a new ball, but don't learn how to bowl with an older ball.

[daysofourlives]

I think you wrote your scenario wrong in your first post

Exactly, posted a scenario where they had a different number of wins, then provided an explanation where they had the same.

As for the new system, I don't know what it is, but it appears to be a strange formula.
I am correct in assuming for D grade games it is now:

(Games Won / games played) * 12 * 15points

Why they've used 12 and not the total number of rounds (ie: games played plus byes) seems strange.

As for the final scenario, I have no issue with the outcome. That is, the team with a 16&1 record has had a better season than the side who is 15&1.

Yep screwed the original example.
Thought the same re using 12 but do you use 16, 17 or 18?
And I disagree on the team have a better season. They simply haven't had the same season to compare.
At 15 and 1... you would confident of being 16 & 1 if given the opportunity

How many clubs would actually care about the CC?
What does it prove other than grade clubs have lost sight of their primary focus to produce state cricketers

[Tony Clifton]

Southerns might be without a couple of quicks. Heard a whisper that Stone and Williams not playing.

[Eagles2014]

Southerns might be without a couple of quicks. Heard a whisper that Stone and Williams not playing.

That would leave NO quicks! (Not the Hew is quick, but those two opened the bowling, followed by lots of spin!).

[Aeropti]

Hasn't Staunton come back?

and was wondering if anyone knows the origins of South Australia being the only state where the grade clubs have juniors that play week in week out?

[westisthebest]

Ben Cooper to Port

[Tony Clifton]

Hasn't Staunton come back?

and was wondering if anyone knows the origins of South Australia being the only state where the grade clubs have juniors that play week in week out?

Staunton is coach. Not sure if he's playing. Would be very handy for them if he did.

Tassie and WA grade clubs have juniors too. Not sure if WA always did or if this is relatively new for them.

[maxi]

Southerns might be without a couple of quicks. Heard a whisper that Stone and Williams not playing.

Big outs. Have they changed clubs or just not playing. Been solid contributors for a number of years.

[Tony Clifton]

Southerns might be without a couple of quicks. Heard a whisper that Stone and Williams not playing.

Big outs. Have they changed clubs or just not playing. Been solid contributors for a number of years.

Was 3rd hand info so I hope I'm not leading people down the wrong path... but what I heard is that one is having a season off and one is playing some hard wicket cricket with a few mates. I forget which way round.