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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:12 pm

heater31 wrote:
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tigerpie wrote:Atca threatened with disaffiliation over the pitch shortening fiasco for u12's.
What are your thoughts on playing on a Saturday after a Friday night u12's game with scuff marks just short of the danger area?

11 year olds will do stuff all to the pitch

Angst over nothing
I have bigger issues about the kids development of this practice of shortening the wicket

Will be good IMO

The bowling is too slow otherwise.

This will toughen the cricket up and get a bit more pace on the ball. Make it easier to score too
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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:04 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Atca threatened with disaffiliation over the pitch shortening fiasco for u12's.
What are your thoughts on playing on a Saturday after a Friday night u12's game with scuff marks just short of the danger area?

11 year olds will do stuff all to the pitch

Angst over nothing
I have bigger issues about the kids development of this practice of shortening the wicket

Will be good IMO

The bowling is too slow otherwise.

This will toughen the cricket up and get a bit more pace on the ball. Make it easier to score too
For the kids that can already play the game.....

Those that can land it will feel like Brett Lee steaming in to the kids that can't hit it off the square!
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Re: ATCA

Postby tigerpie » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:55 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
tigerpie wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Atca threatened with disaffiliation over the pitch shortening fiasco for u12's.
What are your thoughts on playing on a Saturday after a Friday night u12's game with scuff marks just short of the danger area?

11 year olds will do stuff all to the pitch

Angst over nothing

We had a trial and kids with spikes made a nice furrow marking centre.
I'm not the only one thinking its unworkable at community level.

Is there any possible solution to this?

Yep. Ours will go to hard wicket.
The other option is having 2 wickets prepped every week.
Double the work for curators. Double water usage. Add in the extra grounds. Some have 3.
At community level that's a nightmare.

CA are trying to standardise the game at schoolboys level. I'm all for that!
The national schoolboys championship is on turf on shortened wickets.
They are leaning on SACA and they're leaning on ATCA.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making improvements to junior cricket but at community level its just silly.

Do it at district cricket by all means. CA cough up the bill at that level of cricket.
There you are.... Solved!
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:06 pm

Our U12's played on hard wicket all last year, so that's an obvious solution if you have the option.
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Re: ATCA

Postby tigerpie » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:14 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:Our U12's played on hard wicket all last year, so that's an obvious solution if you have the option.

We have a great atmosphere on a Friday night so going hard wicket takes people away from the club. No canteen or bar facilities.
Hard wicket is a solution but not a great one.
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Re: ATCA

Postby daysofourlives » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:09 pm

As has already been said by some, it doesn't do any damage whatsoever to the pitch. I am a curator at Angaston, I make it clear to the u12 coach that centre is to be marked with chalk, he makes sure our kids and the opposition do that. There is no problem.
Tigerpie, you are worrying about nothing mate.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:27 pm

daysofourlives wrote:As has already been said by some, it doesn't do any damage whatsoever to the pitch. I am a curator at Angaston, I make it clear to the u12 coach that centre is to be marked with chalk, he makes sure our kids and the opposition do that. There is no problem.
Tigerpie, you are worrying about nothing mate.

You could mark centre with some paint .... surely U12's don't ask for leg stump.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:39 pm

tigerpie wrote:Yep. Ours will go to hard wicket.
The other option is having 2 wickets prepped every week.

Any other possible solutions?
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Re: ATCA

Postby tigerpie » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:50 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Yep. Ours will go to hard wicket.
The other option is having 2 wickets prepped every week.

Any other possible solutions?

I've given you 3 possibles that's all I got.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Jim05 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:00 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Yep. Ours will go to hard wicket.
The other option is having 2 wickets prepped every week.

Any other possible solutions?

Bat from the normal crease and use some form of matting on top of the pitch at the bowling end
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Re: ATCA

Postby tigerpie » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:12 pm

daysofourlives wrote:As has already been said by some, it doesn't do any damage whatsoever to the pitch. I am a curator at Angaston, I make it clear to the u12 coach that centre is to be marked with chalk, he makes sure our kids and the opposition do that. There is no problem.
Tigerpie, you are worrying about nothing mate.

The photos I took after a 40 trial tell a different story.
One kid/bloke (apparently u 12?)marked centre outside the crease right in the danger area. After every ball?
I don't know about your competition but in ours we've got kids marking their fielding spot... on the square?
Seniors bowlers warming up.....on the square?
Coaches say nothing....never notice it. As for umpires just lol.

I'm lucky, both my squares are fully grassed.
The clubs that don't will have plates pulled out early in the season.
Good luck batting on that the next day.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:47 am

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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:49 am

Bloody News Corp paywall!
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:52 am

Adelaide Turf Association could be partially banned from My Cricket

The Adelaide Turf Cricket Association (ATCA) has been threatened with sanctions if it does not follow a Cricket Australia directive to play its Under-12 competition off shortened wickets.

The South Australian Cricket Association (SACA) has been working with associations across the state since 2016 to align them to uniform national junior formats.

Turf Association Under-12 teams currently play off a full 20m-long pitch.

But now the SACA wants all competitions in this age division to play off 18 metres, to comply with Cricket Australia guidelines.

In a June 28 SACA report seen by The Messenger, the association could face penalties if it does not obey the directive.

It would not “have complete access” to the My Cricket online portal — which lists teams and fixtures — or receive discounted insurance from Cricket Australia.

Association executive officer David Heyzer told The Messenger the ATCA was “predominantly a turf competition”.

Forcing juniors to play off a shortened wicket would add curating costs and hard-wicket hire to clubs’ bottom lines.

“It’s a possibility,” Mr Heyzer said of a partial My Cricket ban.

“They talk about not having complete access, so we’re not sure what part they will block.

“Some clubs and associations are pushing back (on the directive).”

He said the pitch directive was “the main sticking point”.

The association is due to meet with SACA next week to talk about the issue.

Mr Heyzer said with Under-12, 15 and 17 games using senior pitches on Sundays, clubs could not handle the extra wear and tear if shortened wickets were introduced.

“It could do damage to drier wickets,” he said.

“We’re a turf competition — clubs don’t want to go onto a hard wicket.”

Western Suburbs Junior Cricket Association president Arnold Kretschmer said the league had been “bullied and harassed” by SACA into being compliant.

“And now they’re threatening us,” Mr Kretschmer said.

“It really disappoints us — we’ve tried to rectify this for three years.

“I’m getting tired of it.

“We have done everything they have asked except play off a short pitch.”

He said getting Under-12 children playing off a shortened wicket would create a “severe cost burden” for clubs with extra pitch preparation needed.

“We are happy to continue to work with the SACA and find a solution,” he said.

The association is set to hold its annual general meeting on July 22 and vote on the shortened wicket directive for the coming season.

The Messenger understands the SACA realises a reduction in the length of the pitch will pose challenges for some clubs and associations.

However, the SACA would not confirm if the Turf Association’s free access to My Cricket could be restricted if it did not sign up to national guidelines.

SACA’s general manager of high performance, Tim Nielsen, said it had worked with clubs and associations across the state on changes to junior games.

“By introducing some changes, we are ensuring all clubs are given the best chance for young players to not only improve their skills and enjoy the game, but to stay involved in cricket long-term,” Mr Nielsen said.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Armchair expert » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:25 pm

People in the saca have nfi
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:03 pm

I wonder if these arguments are happening with cricket associations all over Australia?
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Re: ATCA

Postby Jim05 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:32 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:I wonder if these arguments are happening with cricket associations all over Australia?

Pretty happy with it in the BLCA and are even voting at the AGM to allow SACA to Administrate the league
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Re: ATCA

Postby tigerpie » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:12 pm

SACA's high performance manager?
That's an oxymoron isn't it?
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Re: ATCA

Postby the smokey » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:22 pm

The scheduling of rounds has been released, does anyone know when the actual fixtures normally release for A1-A3
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Re: ATCA

Postby bothamsfearnley » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:28 pm

At Brahma Lodge, our under 12's use the turf pitch in the NEJCA Competition, so its Sunday morning - not quite the sameas a new deck but we do all the batting from one end - from the batting crease so they can mark guard etc. and shorten the pitch from the bowling end. On our deck the damage is virtually nothing after 60 overs. use chalk not paint though- the paint kills the grass.

I personally believe the changes that have been made by Cricket Australia are excellent and have made for much better cricket all round.

My kids were the first to go through in under 10s using the new rules but were in under 9s using the old rules so I have seen both.
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