South Australian Churches and Community Cricket Association

[carey18]

didnt ross smith tigers play at that school on bridge rd towards the end?

[Goat Herder]

Just got back after being away for the last week and just read how you guys did in Vic, good work to all. So where do you think SA needs to improve to go one better a win next time (or come 2nd), what were we missing in these championships that might have made a difference? You think the guys that went away, will all be keen in 2010?

A quality spinner these days is hard to find, but one of those in the squad would be gold. Who knows, we might be able to coax Scooter into one last hurrah if we can organise ice baths, a physio and a masseuse..?? A good swing bowler is also required, as Chris Nutt from NSW showed how potent swing bowling is at this level, particularly when most of the bowlers were 'bang-it-in, hit-the-seam' types, especially on bastman-tailored decks.

The major factor in my opinion was inexperience on turf I think and the guys learnt a lot about batting and bowling on it. The decks were batsman-friendly, so the batsman now know that 20's and 30's aren't good enough at Championship level and we need at least 1 player to go on with it per innings. Our top 6 (Hodson, A.Frith, Holland, Marshall, Graham-Vanderbyl & Cossens) was as good as any others going around, but only Hodson and Graham-Vanderbyl progressed past 50 during the week, and each of the other 4 got 20's and 30's at various stages of the week.

Apart from Muir (39) and Graham-Vanderbyl (38), the rest of the side is still quite young, so the experience was invaluable and will stand us in good stead in 2yrs time. We also look forward to seeing more people put their hands up at this level in future, even if they feel they aren't quite up to it (eg; Pidge). The coaching panel will continue to work with those who want to learn and improve and specialist coaches will be sought out if required.

It's all looking pretty positive for our Association's future at National level.

Not many if any would have much experience on turf from the churches league? maybe the older guys you mentioned (Muir and Graham-Vanderbyl), they may have played turf, but i assume most the other guys havent played turf, bit hard when our league is hard wicket. any others have turf experience that didnt go to NATS

Marshall played juniors and early grades with TTG and Cossens, Vanderwerf, Gully, Bedgegood have played at least 1 previous Carnival. It's more to do with the fact that there is a completely different selection of shots for hard-wicket vs turf and it's a matter of refining your batting instincts and then making the adjustments necessary to be successful. It's very hard to trust and master methods other than the hard-wicket mentality that everyone is used to each week in a short space of time. Totally different lengths have to be bowled as well. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Having said that, the team had the best preparation going into a Carnival in my memory, with most players involved in the CSA cup matches against Para Districts and Adel. Turf prior to touring. The injuries to Reidy and Giglio were unfortunate, but one door closes and another one opens. We know we selected the best blokes available for their ability, and who possess the character to put team above self and gel well in a team environment.

We did cop a bit of a rough draw, playing the 2008 Title holders NSW first, and winner of the previous 2 or 3 Carnivals, Southern District, second. The SA side got better as the week progressed and had we drawn those 2 sides on the 3rd and 4th days, chances are we'd have had at least one win under the belt at that stage, and going into the NSW & SD matches when we were playing our best cricket, .. Not making excuses, but things could've been far different in the win/loss column if the draw fell our way.

The main thing is that all players learnt invaluable lessons, including the most experienced blokes. Everyone busted their guts. Above all, the guys had a ball playing cricket together and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. When the senior members of the team turn around and state that it was the best week of cricket ever in their extensive careers, it tells a story.

Well done boys and remember to NOT tap the Cougars! You might encourage it..

[playon]

I am a bowler. Currently playing at Fitzroy. In the A's at the moment. What about you. Where are you from playon?

retired a few yrs ago, played at ross smith tigers when they were in the independent assoc many years ago

how you been going in the A's? who you got coming up next game?

Well we are on the bottom, so that means not too good. Hopefully with a few inclusions we can now start to get a settled team and play some better cricket. We play Rose Park next game.

your spot not under threat with any inclusions then? ahh used to play against Rose Park when they were in the Independent assoc with us, we had some good battles with them

[playon]

didnt ross smith tigers play at that school on bridge rd towards the end?

Ross Smith High School

[Pidge]

I am a bowler. Currently playing at Fitzroy. In the A's at the moment. What about you. Where are you from playon?

retired a few yrs ago, played at ross smith tigers when they were in the independent assoc many years ago

how you been going in the A's? who you got coming up next game?

Well we are on the bottom, so that means not too good. Hopefully with a few inclusions we can now start to get a settled team and play some better cricket. We play Rose Park next game.

your spot not under threat with any inclusions then? ahh used to play against Rose Park when they were in the Independent assoc with us, we had some good battles with them

I have no idea. We will have to wait and see what happens.

[auto]

I am a bowler. Currently playing at Fitzroy. In the A's at the moment. What about you. Where are you from playon?

retired a few yrs ago, played at ross smith tigers when they were in the independent assoc many years ago

how you been going in the A's? who you got coming up next game?

What div did you play, i played ross smith quite a few times, in independent and churches.

[silent hour]

Just got back after being away for the last week and just read how you guys did in Vic, good work to all. So where do you think SA needs to improve to go one better a win next time (or come 2nd), what were we missing in these championships that might have made a difference? You think the guys that went away, will all be keen in 2010?

A quality spinner these days is hard to find, but one of those in the squad would be gold. Who knows, we might be able to coax Scooter into one last hurrah if we can organise ice baths, a physio and a masseuse..?? A good swing bowler is also required, as Chris Nutt from NSW showed how potent swing bowling is at this level, particularly when most of the bowlers were 'bang-it-in, hit-the-seam' types, especially on bastman-tailored decks.

The major factor in my opinion was inexperience on turf I think and the guys learnt a lot about batting and bowling on it. The decks were batsman-friendly, so the batsman now know that 20's and 30's aren't good enough at Championship level and we need at least 1 player to go on with it per innings. Our top 6 (Hodson, A.Frith, Holland, Marshall, Graham-Vanderbyl & Cossens) was as good as any others going around, but only Hodson and Graham-Vanderbyl progressed past 50 during the week, and each of the other 4 got 20's and 30's at various stages of the week.

Apart from Muir (39) and Graham-Vanderbyl (38), the rest of the side is still quite young, so the experience was invaluable and will stand us in good stead in 2yrs time. We also look forward to seeing more people put their hands up at this level in future, even if they feel they aren't quite up to it (eg; Pidge). The coaching panel will continue to work with those who want to learn and improve and specialist coaches will be sought out if required.

It's all looking pretty positive for our Association's future at National level.

Not many if any would have much experience on turf from the churches league? maybe the older guys you mentioned (Muir and Graham-Vanderbyl), they may have played turf, but i assume most the other guys havent played turf, bit hard when our league is hard wicket. any others have turf experience that didnt go to NATS

Marshall played juniors and early grades with TTG and Cossens, Vanderwerf, Gully, Bedgegood have played at least 1 previous Carnival. It's more to do with the fact that there is a completely different selection of shots for hard-wicket vs turf and it's a matter of refining your batting instincts and then making the adjustments necessary to be successful. It's very hard to trust and master methods other than the hard-wicket mentality that everyone is used to each week in a short space of time. Totally different lengths have to be bowled as well. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Having said that, the team had the best preparation going into a Carnival in my memory, with most players involved in the CSA cup matches against Para Districts and Adel. Turf prior to touring. The injuries to Reidy and Giglio were unfortunate, but one door closes and another one opens. We know we selected the best blokes available for their ability, and who possess the character to put team above self and gel well in a team environment.

We did cop a bit of a rough draw, playing the 2008 Title holders NSW first, and winner of the previous 2 or 3 Carnivals, Southern District, second. The SA side got better as the week progressed and had we drawn those 2 sides on the 3rd and 4th days, chances are we'd have had at least one win under the belt at that stage, and going into the NSW & SD matches when we were playing our best cricket, .. Not making excuses, but things could've been far different in the win/loss column if the draw fell our way.

The main thing is that all players learnt invaluable lessons, including the most experienced blokes. Everyone busted their guts. Above all, the guys had a ball playing cricket together and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. When the senior members of the team turn around and state that it was the best week of cricket ever in their extensive careers, it tells a story.

Well done boys and remember to NOT tap the Cougars! You might encourage it..

What was the final standings for the national championships?

[carey18]

didnt ross smith tigers play at that school on bridge rd towards the end?

Ross Smith High School

They really struggled in there last couples of years didnt they? Did anyone else have the luxury of playing against Boffa from Betania. Struggled understanding the rules of cricket that bloke

[Goat Herder]

What was the final standings for the national championships?

1st - NSW 1 - 5/0
2nd - Western Suburbs (Vic) - 3/2
3rd - Queensland - 3/2
4th - Southern Dist. (Vic) - 2/3
5th - SA - 2/3
6th - NSW 2 - 0/5

[svenclarkster]

didnt ross smith tigers play at that school on bridge rd towards the end?

Ross Smith High School

They really struggled in there last couples of years didnt they? Did anyone else have the luxury of playing against Boffa from Betania. Struggled understanding the rules of cricket that bloke

Didn't most Betania boys struggle understanding the rules of cricket?

[bored]

Well done boys and remember to NOT tap the Cougars! You might encourage it..

Oh no... not the cougar! Definitely leave that alone!

[reggie]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball. Not sure what options are in the other grades. Adelaide Lutheran last year had a young spinner but he seems to have disappeared (hopefully to a district club).

Hard wicket may not be the best surface for spin bowlers but if the great man scooter can do it in his 50's then it is possible. Perhaps has Warnie said yesterday captains need to encourage their spin bowlers and use them as an attacking option more.

[bored]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball.

you class him as a spin bowler??? he will love that

[auto]

Pidge's spot under threat Ha, Quality all rounders are hard to come by!

[Pidge]

Pidge's spot under threat Ha, Quality all rounders are hard to come by!

[Phantom Gossiper]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball. Not sure what options are in the other grades. Adelaide Lutheran last year had a young spinner but he seems to have disappeared (hopefully to a district club).

Hard wicket may not be the best surface for spin bowlers but if the great man scooter can do it in his 50's then it is possible. Perhaps has Warnie said yesterday captains need to encourage their spin bowlers and use them as an attacking option more.

There is an exceptional leg spinner playing currently with the CM side, his name is Adam Cameron, some may remember the name from Ross Smith Tigers, his father was captain of the B grade and Adam was the A grade leg spinner in Div 1.

Only young lad, plenty of talent..

[Phantom Gossiper]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball.

you class him as a spin bowler??? he will love that

Hang about.. didnt Spintwin claim a 9 wicket haul last year?!? decent effort i think

[locky801]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball.

you class him as a spin bowler??? he will love that

Hang about.. didnt Spintwin claim a 9 wicket haul last year?!? decent effort i think

In 30 yrs of Uniting Church Cricket only ever seen one spin bowler turn the ball off of a coin, thankfully he was on our side, name Paul (BOBO) Fitzgerald dont know what his final figures were when he retired but at the end of 1988 he had over 300 wickets in 12 years bowling leggies at 16,85

[Goat Herder]

Scott Morris's 6 National Championships for 3 All-Australian caps and 300+ wickets for Morialta are hard to surpass. He is still the best leg-spinner in the last 15yrs of 'Championship history, let alone SA Churches.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Spintwin and a guy from NEN are the only 'spin' bowlers we have come across this year and they are not exactly big turners of the ball.

you class him as a spin bowler??? he will love that

Hang about.. didnt Spintwin claim a 9 wicket haul last year?!? decent effort i think

In 30 yrs of Uniting Church Cricket only ever seen one spin bowler turn the ball off of a coin, thankfully he was on our side, name Paul (BOBO) Fitzgerald dont know what his final figures were when he retired but at the end of 1988 he had over 300 wickets in 12 years bowling leggies at 16,85

Paul Fitzgerald, 162 games, 2104 runs, 320 wickets, 83 catches oh and 4 wickets in 4 balls back in 78/79