Adelaide and Suburban Cricket Association 2010/11

[wycbloods]

Gowser what are the reasons the KCC want to change the format of games and sections?

Gowser you wanna answer this question?

[CoverKing]

Gowser what are the reasons the KCC want to change the format of games and sections?

Gowser you wanna answer this question?

Been avoiding the direct question for a fair while bloods. doubt you will get a response

[Gowser]

Its impossible to know minus about something.

So let me get this straight, you are saying on here that getting juniors will not help keswick at all? or as you put it, is 'retarted'?

And not having appropriate facilities is a joke of an excuse - sheidow park has a tin shed, and coro ramblers has nothing more than a few trees that you can piss behind! They both have juniors.

This is a lazy solution for a club that doesnt want to do the hard work.

No, i never wrote nor inferred any such thing. I fail to see how you could even interpret what i wrote to suggest that.

This is not a lazy solution and you are failing to get your head around the bigger picture. Would you call SACA, WACA, QCA, ECB, CA as organisations that 'do not want to do the hard work'? as they are all cricket bodies that have recognised the need to address falling participation rates and explicitly suggest exploring options and offering alternative formats as a means to address this problem?

Gowser what are the reasons the KCC want to change the format of games and sections?

Gowser you wanna answer this question?

Been avoiding the direct question for a fair while bloods. doubt you will get a response

Nah, just didn't see it.

Although i think this has been answered indirectly via other posts and in the proposal itself, Keswick are not looking to change the format of games, we are looking to change the format of fixtures. Keswick (and most cricket bodies) recognise the need to address falling participation rates in the game, one of the suggestions in addressing this, is by looking at changing the formats offered. The consequence of this change and with the aim of making the competition more equitable in relation to the fixture/draw is a change in the number of sections.

EDIT: Oh, and we are lazy but want to win more premierships.

[wycbloods]

Gowser what are the reasons the KCC want to change the format of games and sections?

Gowser you wanna answer this question?

Been avoiding the direct question for a fair while bloods. doubt you will get a response

Nah, just didn't see it.

Although i think this has been answered indirectly via other posts and in the proposal itself, Keswick are not looking to change the format of games, we are looking to change the format of fixtures. Keswick (and most cricket bodies) recognise the need to address falling participation rates in the game, one of the suggestions in addressing this, is by looking at changing the formats offered. The consequence of this change and with the aim of making the competition more equitable in relation to the fixture/draw is a change in the number of sections.[/quote]

Haven't participation rates increased in ASCA over the last decade?

We have been attracting teams and interest from others because we haven't gone down that path.

How would you suggest your changes make it more equitable?

[Gowser]

Haven't participation rates increased in ASCA over the last decade?

We have been attracting teams and interest from others because we haven't gone down that path.

How would you suggest your changes make it more equitable?

In terms of players, clubs and/or teams, all the previously mentioned?

I don't think the reason we are attracting other clubs is because we 'haven't gone down that path'. I can only think of one comp that has a similar format of fixtures, PDCA and i know we have not attracted any of those players/clubs. There would be a number of factors for this attraction to our comp but i would suggest the main reason for the attraction is due to poor administration and falling participation rates in the comps they are moving from.

It is more equitable as it removes the single one day game (which is an obvious disadvantage to any club playing the weaker clubs as it removes the chance of an outright result). More teams will be matched up against sides of similar quality through out all sections. All teams play each other in both formats.

[woodublieve12]

i personally thinks its a bad idea especially in section 1.. it wont get through anyways...

[caleb777]

Any news about Noarlunga and/or Port Noarlunga coming into asca next year? Cause they got rejected from gsca the other week. How would that impact on the 8 team proposal?

Also I laughed at the comment about coro ramblers having a few trees to piss behind, that was genuinely funny, and a big compliment to the blokes on the junior commitee and af, so win win

[Dancing in the rain]

Not sure why your pushing for changes, theres nothing wrong with how it is now. if it aint broke dont fix it or something like that.

[Jabber]

Any news about Noarlunga and/or Port Noarlunga coming into asca next year? Cause they got rejected from gsca the other week. How would that impact on the 8 team proposal?

Also I laughed at the comment about coro ramblers having a few trees to piss behind, that was genuinely funny, and a big compliment to the blokes on the junior commitee and af, so win win

Absolutely a big compliment, and evidence that the 'we dont have the facilities' crap argument doesn't work if you are prepared to roll your sleeves up and work hard. Which clearly at least 1 club is not prepared to do.

[wycbloods]

In terms of players, clubs and/or teams, all the previously mentioned?

I don't think the reason we are attracting other clubs is because we 'haven't gone down that path'. I can only think of one comp that has a similar format of fixtures, PDCA and i know we have not attracted any of those players/clubs. There would be a number of factors for this attraction to our comp but i would suggest the main reason for the attraction is due to poor administration and falling participation rates in the comps they are moving from.

It is more equitable as it removes the single one day game (which is an obvious disadvantage to any club playing the weaker clubs as it removes the chance of an outright result). More teams will be matched up against sides of similar quality through out all sections. All teams play each other in both formats.

Players playing in ASCA is up i would think. We left Independent central for the very reason of having a 7 and 7 season, we saw what it did to that association and don't want to see that happen here.

SCA has had the same system as PDCA for a few years and look where their association is at.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence, that participation rates fall when you increase the amount of one dayers. Less overs to bat increasing the chance that 3-4 people don't have any involvement in the game whatsoever. I think this is backed up by many of the results of the past few seasons in our one dayers. I think we all acknowledge it is becoming more difficult to get people to commit to 2 saturdays in a row of cricket due to a whole host of issues but all your Keswick's proposal does is reduce the number of 2 dayers by 3 and i can't see that being enough.

I believe setting up a Limited overs comp that plays fortnightly on the second week of each game is the way to go. It doesn't solve all the issues but in conjunction with the swapping of players allowed it makes it workable for all clubs.

There is one SCA club that has written to the ASCA in the last month detailing why they want to come to our comp because of the way our association is structured and how the games are mainly 2 dayers.

Thoughts?

[wycbloods]

Any news about Noarlunga and/or Port Noarlunga coming into asca next year? Cause they got rejected from gsca the other week. How would that impact on the 8 team proposal?

Also I laughed at the comment about coro ramblers having a few trees to piss behind, that was genuinely funny, and a big compliment to the blokes on the junior commitee and af, so win win

No request has been made at this point in time from either Noarlunga or Port Noarlunga to join ASCA.

[Minotaur]

Changing the fixture is not changing the rules. That is an absurd assertion. Keswick will (and has in the past) explore other options to get new players to the club. To believe a junior program will be the magic cure is retarded.

A junior program is not suitable for many clubs in the competition as many do not have appropriate facilities. And, no, this is not what all the other clubs are doing, just those is a position to do so, are. We have had a junior program previously which resulted in zero new members to our club, if you believe this will solve the problems you believe Keswick are having, then, the Hartlett boys would both be wearing maroon caps when they take the field on a saturday.

Please stop trying to find solutions to another club's perceived problems that you know less than zero about.

Its impossible to know minus about something.

So let me get this straight, you are saying on here that getting juniors will not help keswick at all? or as you put it, is 'retarted'?

And not having appropriate facilities is a joke of an excuse - sheidow park has a tin shed, and coro ramblers has nothing more than a few trees that you can piss behind! They both have juniors.

This is a lazy solution for a club that doesnt want to do the hard work.

Jabber I would think that the locations of Sheidow and Coro do have something to do with their junior programs. Sheidow in particular is a booming area with younger families moving in due to the affordability of the area. Keswick on the other hand have an older demographic in their region as well as fighting against many other clubs within their area. This would not be the sole reason but would definitely play some part in being able to not only attract juniors to begin with but then also keep them as they grow up and want to play with their mates.

Of note is that Sheidow has previously had up to 6 junior teams and last season could only field 4. The u/17 competition seems to have really died off and even the amalgamation with another association couldnt keep our teams afloat.

[Jabber]

A-Grade - Marymount High School*
B/C-Grade - West Beach Primary School*
D/E-Grade - Seaview Downs Primary School*

*from the keswickcricketclub website

If you guys can't get juniors up and running with 3 schools at your doorstep, then your simply not trying hard enough. I reckon the demographic at those three locations are right where you need them to be in order to get junior cricket going.

[Minotaur]

A-Grade - Marymount High School*
B/C-Grade - West Beach Primary School*
D/E-Grade - Seaview Downs Primary School*

*from the keswickcricketclub website

If you guys can't get juniors up and running with 3 schools at your doorstep, then your simply not trying hard enough. I reckon the demographic at those three locations are right where you need them to be in order to get junior cricket going.

isnt Marymount an all girls school Jabber??? I know some teams do have girls playing for them but I doubt youd get any from there being a private school.

[Jabber]

A-Grade - Marymount High School*
B/C-Grade - West Beach Primary School*
D/E-Grade - Seaview Downs Primary School*

*from the keswickcricketclub website

If you guys can't get juniors up and running with 3 schools at your doorstep, then your simply not trying hard enough. I reckon the demographic at those three locations are right where you need them to be in order to get junior cricket going.

isnt Marymount an all girls school Jabber??? I know some teams do have girls playing for them but I doubt youd get any from there being a private school.

Girls quite often have brothers i would have thought.

[Amateur Footy]

In terms of players, clubs and/or teams, all the previously mentioned?

I don't think the reason we are attracting other clubs is because we 'haven't gone down that path'. I can only think of one comp that has a similar format of fixtures, PDCA and i know we have not attracted any of those players/clubs. There would be a number of factors for this attraction to our comp but i would suggest the main reason for the attraction is due to poor administration and falling participation rates in the comps they are moving from.

It is more equitable as it removes the single one day game (which is an obvious disadvantage to any club playing the weaker clubs as it removes the chance of an outright result). More teams will be matched up against sides of similar quality through out all sections. All teams play each other in both formats.

Players playing in ASCA is up i would think. We left Independent central for the very reason of having a 7 and 7 season, we saw what it did to that association and don't want to see that happen here.

SCA has had the same system as PDCA for a few years and look where their association is at.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence, that participation rates fall when you increase the amount of one dayers. Less overs to bat increasing the chance that 3-4 people don't have any involvement in the game whatsoever. I think this is backed up by many of the results of the past few seasons in our one dayers. I think we all acknowledge it is becoming more difficult to get people to commit to 2 saturdays in a row of cricket due to a whole host of issues but all your Keswick's proposal does is reduce the number of 2 dayers by 3 and i can't see that being enough.

I believe setting up a Limited overs comp that plays fortnightly on the second week of each game is the way to go. It doesn't solve all the issues but in conjunction with the swapping of players allowed it makes it workable for all clubs.

There is one SCA club that has written to the ASCA in the last month detailing why they want to come to our comp because of the way our association is structured and how the games are mainly 2 dayers.

Thoughts?

2 good points. I enjoy the odd one-dayer but there are always blokes who don't get to do anythying in a 40 over game. I think our club would be in a position to field an extra team if there was a one day comp that played every 2nd week. Plenty of older blokes would commit to that.

[Minotaur]

A-Grade - Marymount High School*
B/C-Grade - West Beach Primary School*
D/E-Grade - Seaview Downs Primary School*

*from the keswickcricketclub website

If you guys can't get juniors up and running with 3 schools at your doorstep, then your simply not trying hard enough. I reckon the demographic at those three locations are right where you need them to be in order to get junior cricket going.

isnt Marymount an all girls school Jabber??? I know some teams do have girls playing for them but I doubt youd get any from there being a private school.

Girls quite often have brothers i would have thought.

who you would think would also be going to a different school. whether that is one of the others you have listed or not is another question. From what I can remember, Marymount is a sister school to Sacred Heart. I also believe that a majority of those that send their girls to Marymount send the boys to Sacred Heart Middle School where they end up going to Sacred Heart High in year 10.

[Jabber]

A-Grade - Marymount High School*
B/C-Grade - West Beach Primary School*
D/E-Grade - Seaview Downs Primary School*

*from the keswickcricketclub website

If you guys can't get juniors up and running with 3 schools at your doorstep, then your simply not trying hard enough. I reckon the demographic at those three locations are right where you need them to be in order to get junior cricket going.

isnt Marymount an all girls school Jabber??? I know some teams do have girls playing for them but I doubt youd get any from there being a private school.

Girls quite often have brothers i would have thought.

who you would think would also be going to a different school. whether that is one of the others you have listed or not is another question. From what I can remember, Marymount is a sister school to Sacred Heart. I also believe that a majority of those that send their girls to Marymount send the boys to Sacred Heart Middle School where they end up going to Sacred Heart High in year 10.

Alright Mate, take Marymount out, then you'd only have access to around 800 boys aged from 5-17 with the other 2 schools!

[Minotaur]

who you would think would also be going to a different school. whether that is one of the others you have listed or not is another question. From what I can remember, Marymount is a sister school to Sacred Heart. I also believe that a majority of those that send their girls to Marymount send the boys to Sacred Heart Middle School where they end up going to Sacred Heart High in year 10.[/quote]

Alright Mate, take Marymount out, then you'd only have access to around 800 boys aged from 5-17 with the other 2 schools![/quote]

Seaview Downs only goes to year 7 (13yr olds) and only houses up to 250 students. West Beach is also inly to year 7 but does not list numbers, but they do advertise Milo Cricket is accessible via the following clubs:
- Flinders Park
- West Torrens
- WYC
- Woodville South

I would suggest from that spread of clubs that those clubs would be taking all the kids from West Beach Primary. This leaves them with Seaview Downs. I cannot see where the 800 boys are coming from. I would say that between Seaview Downs Primary and then Seaview High you would probably look at about 300-400 boys. I know that plenty of Sheidow boys went to Seaview as well.

You are entitled to your opinion on the changes proposed by Keswick Jabber, but worry about the runnings of your own club before running off and telling people from other clubs how to run theirs. I cannot speak for other clubs but the number of kids that play juniors to those that transition to seniors is very small. Whilst the theory of junior numbers equates to more players at a senior level is sound, the reality is that once kids hit 15-17 you really find out those that will continue (either at your club or another) and those that just fall by the wayside.

[Jabber]

Yes you must be right then, its all too hard for Keswick so we'll change the rules.