Adelaide and Suburban Cricket Association 2010/11

[Gowser]

Alright Mate, take Marymount out, then you'd only have access to around 800 boys aged from 5-17 with the other 2 schools!

They are primary schools.

[wycbloods]

In terms of players, clubs and/or teams, all the previously mentioned?

I don't think the reason we are attracting other clubs is because we 'haven't gone down that path'. I can only think of one comp that has a similar format of fixtures, PDCA and i know we have not attracted any of those players/clubs. There would be a number of factors for this attraction to our comp but i would suggest the main reason for the attraction is due to poor administration and falling participation rates in the comps they are moving from.

It is more equitable as it removes the single one day game (which is an obvious disadvantage to any club playing the weaker clubs as it removes the chance of an outright result). More teams will be matched up against sides of similar quality through out all sections. All teams play each other in both formats.

Players playing in ASCA is up i would think. We left Independent central for the very reason of having a 7 and 7 season, we saw what it did to that association and don't want to see that happen here.

SCA has had the same system as PDCA for a few years and look where their association is at.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence, that participation rates fall when you increase the amount of one dayers. Less overs to bat increasing the chance that 3-4 people don't have any involvement in the game whatsoever. I think this is backed up by many of the results of the past few seasons in our one dayers. I think we all acknowledge it is becoming more difficult to get people to commit to 2 saturdays in a row of cricket due to a whole host of issues but all your Keswick's proposal does is reduce the number of 2 dayers by 3 and i can't see that being enough.

I believe setting up a Limited overs comp that plays fortnightly on the second week of each game is the way to go. It doesn't solve all the issues but in conjunction with the swapping of players allowed it makes it workable for all clubs.

There is one SCA club that has written to the ASCA in the last month detailing why they want to come to our comp because of the way our association is structured and how the games are mainly 2 dayers.

Thoughts?

2 good points. I enjoy the odd one-dayer but there are always blokes who don't get to do anythying in a 40 over game. I think our club would be in a position to field an extra team if there was a one day comp that played every 2nd week. Plenty of older blokes would commit to that.

We think we would be a chance to fill another side if it were only a once a fortnight committment.

[GHS#33]

Seaview Downs only goes to year 7 (13yr olds) and only houses up to 250 students. West Beach is also inly to year 7 but does not list numbers, but they do advertise Milo Cricket is accessible via the following clubs:
- Flinders Park
- West Torrens
- WYC
- Woodville South

I would suggest from that spread of clubs that those clubs would be taking all the kids from West Beach Primary. This leaves them with Seaview Downs. I cannot see where the 800 boys are coming from. I would say that between Seaview Downs Primary and then Seaview High you would probably look at about 300-400 boys. I know that plenty of Sheidow boys went to Seaview as well.

You are entitled to your opinion on the changes proposed by Keswick Jabber, but worry about the runnings of your own club before running off and telling people from other clubs how to run theirs. I cannot speak for other clubs but the number of kids that play juniors to those that transition to seniors is very small. Whilst the theory of junior numbers equates to more players at a senior level is sound, the reality is that once kids hit 15-17 you really find out those that will continue (either at your club or another) and those that just fall by the wayside.

Agree whole-heartedly with this and especially the bold. Well said and a very predictable response from 'Jabber'.

[Jabber]

Seaview Downs only goes to year 7 (13yr olds) and only houses up to 250 students. West Beach is also inly to year 7 but does not list numbers, but they do advertise Milo Cricket is accessible via the following clubs:
- Flinders Park
- West Torrens
- WYC
- Woodville South

I would suggest from that spread of clubs that those clubs would be taking all the kids from West Beach Primary. This leaves them with Seaview Downs. I cannot see where the 800 boys are coming from. I would say that between Seaview Downs Primary and then Seaview High you would probably look at about 300-400 boys. I know that plenty of Sheidow boys went to Seaview as well.

You are entitled to your opinion on the changes proposed by Keswick Jabber, but worry about the runnings of your own club before running off and telling people from other clubs how to run theirs. I cannot speak for other clubs but the number of kids that play juniors to those that transition to seniors is very small. Whilst the theory of junior numbers equates to more players at a senior level is sound, the reality is that once kids hit 15-17 you really find out those that will continue (either at your club or another) and those that just fall by the wayside.

Agree whole-heartedly with this and especially the bold. Well said and a very predictable response from 'Jabber'.

**** sorry for being predictable champ.

[wycbloods]

Haven't participation rates increased in ASCA over the last decade?

We have been attracting teams and interest from others because we haven't gone down that path.

How would you suggest your changes make it more equitable?

In terms of players, clubs and/or teams, all the previously mentioned?

I don't think the reason we are attracting other clubs is because we 'haven't gone down that path'. I can only think of one comp that has a similar format of fixtures, PDCA and i know we have not attracted any of those players/clubs. There would be a number of factors for this attraction to our comp but i would suggest the main reason for the attraction is due to poor administration and falling participation rates in the comps they are moving from.

It is more equitable as it removes the single one day game (which is an obvious disadvantage to any club playing the weaker clubs as it removes the chance of an outright result). More teams will be matched up against sides of similar quality through out all sections. All teams play each other in both formats.

I really don't see why clubs whinge so much about the "we played the shit side in the one-dayer and would have won outright if it were a 2dayer". At the end of the day the draw is the draw and unless we can manage to fit another weekend of cricket in, which this year would mean playing either 24th or 31st of December, then the 1 one dayer will have to remain.

Look at last year we won the flag and lots of sides were commenting on how crap South Road were but they gave us a hiding when we played them in about round 6 or 7. I don't think we want to be taking that sort of thing away from our comp as it is normally a very even competition and anyside on their day can win. Sheidow for example beat the Sharks and Bays but lost to some of the lower sides.

[wycbloods]

Anyway i know there are a few clubs celebrating milestone years this year what are they all proposing to do to celebrate this?

At WYC we are having a dinner just prior to the season commencing which will celebrate our 50th Year being season 2011/2012. We are hoping to have all our past players and others involved at the club present to enjoy catching up with their past team mates etc.

I know Coro are having something in about Feb next year for their 150th Year anniversary.

What are Keswick doing to celebrate their 75th Year.

[Gowser]

I really don't see why clubs whinge so much about the "we played the **** side in the one-dayer and would have won outright if it were a 2dayer". At the end of the day the draw is the draw and unless we can manage to fit another weekend of cricket in, which this year would mean playing either 24th or 31st of December, then the 1 one dayer will have to remain.

Look at last year we won the flag and lots of sides were commenting on how crap South Road were but they gave us a hiding when we played them in about round 6 or 7. I don't think we want to be taking that sort of thing away from our comp as it is normally a very even competition and anyside on their day can win. Sheidow for example beat the Sharks and Bays but lost to some of the lower sides.

Why do you interpret what i said as a 'whinge'? Merely pointing out a fact which is a flaw in the draw and how the new proposal would overcome this. Never have i suggested Keswick have been at a disadvantage due to drawing a certain team for a one-day game. I think our only whinge about the draw is that we have never, ever played ANA at our home ground (and perhaps also that we always seem to play Morphys at home meaning we miss out on a legendary afternoon tea spread).

It is Keswick's 70th year this season, we have established a sub committee to organise a function at the start of the season, hopefully a dinner at Adelaide oval with many past members. We will also be building on our 60th year history book and publishing it again. That is of course unless we are too lazy to get anything done.

[wycbloods]

I really don't see why clubs whinge so much about the "we played the **** side in the one-dayer and would have won outright if it were a 2dayer". At the end of the day the draw is the draw and unless we can manage to fit another weekend of cricket in, which this year would mean playing either 24th or 31st of December, then the 1 one dayer will have to remain.

Look at last year we won the flag and lots of sides were commenting on how crap South Road were but they gave us a hiding when we played them in about round 6 or 7. I don't think we want to be taking that sort of thing away from our comp as it is normally a very even competition and anyside on their day can win. Sheidow for example beat the Sharks and Bays but lost to some of the lower sides.

Why do you interpret what i said as a 'whinge'? Merely pointing out a fact which is a flaw in the draw and how the new proposal would overcome this. Never have i suggested Keswick have been at a disadvantage due to drawing a certain team for a one-day game. I think our only whinge about the draw is that we have never, ever played ANA at our home ground (and perhaps also that we always seem to play Morphys at home meaning we miss out on a legendary afternoon tea spread).

It is Keswick's 70th year this season, we have established a sub committee to organise a function at the start of the season, hopefully a dinner at Adelaide oval with many past members. We will also be building on our 60th year history book and publishing it again. That is of course unless we are too lazy to get anything done.

that wasn't a shot at you or keswick Gowser, you just highlighted what many clubs i have heard say about the one dayer currently.

the draw is done by a computer so how it chooses to do things is beyond me.

[Moe]

We are having a 20 year reunion of our A,B & C grade premiership teams sometime in the season.
Plan to give Geoff Hardy an old style "Roast" on the same night.

[CoverKing]

We are having a 20 year reunion of our A,B & C grade premiership teams sometime in the season.
Plan to give Geoff Hardy an old style "Roast" on the same night.

A spit roast?

[Moe]

We are having a 20 year reunion of our A,B & C grade premiership teams sometime in the season.
Plan to give Geoff Hardy an old style "Roast" on the same night.

A spit roast?

We might try and keep it a little more PG rated than XXX.

[CoverKing]

Just never know with you morphy boys

[Moe]

True. Very true.

[bazza1]

Keswicks proposal (if approved) will strengthen up the lower grades. It will also be beneficial to those who cant play every week. It will promote lazy cricketers (every club has them) who will only want to play the one-dayers, It will be at the detriment of the young players of our competition, it is harder, as a captain to develop young blokes in 1 dayers. Less overs to give them if there bowlers, more pressure on them to make quick runs. These are my views, and I suspect our club will feel the same.

[caleb777]

Is there any reason to debate this anymore? Are there any clubs that actually support Keswick? seems like everyone thinks its a rubbish idea

[woodublieve12]

Is there any reason to debate this anymore? Are there any clubs that actually support Keswick? seems like everyone thinks its a rubbish idea

[Gowser]

Keswicks proposal (if approved) will strengthen up the lower grades. It will also be beneficial to those who cant play every week. It will promote lazy cricketers (every club has them) who will only want to play the one-dayers, It will be at the detriment of the young players of our competition, it is harder, as a captain to develop young blokes in 1 dayers. Less overs to give them if there bowlers, more pressure on them to make quick runs. These are my views, and I suspect our club will feel the same.

Interesting thoughts although i can't entirely agree with that. While it may take a different approach as a captain, i dont see how restricting a lad to 8 overs impedes their progress as a bowler and while there may be a perceived pressure to score quickly, there would also be the benefit that a freedom to play shots brings.

I believe setting up a Limited overs comp that plays fortnightly on the second week of each game is the way to go. It doesn't solve all the issues but in conjunction with the swapping of players allowed it makes it workable for all clubs.

I think something like that could possibly do more harm than good in terms of participation as it may lead to current active players no longer making themselves available for regular season 2 day games.

Is there any reason to debate this anymore? Are there any clubs that actually support Keswick? seems like everyone thinks its a rubbish idea

There was a debate? Besides a couple of comments from Bloods + Bazza, all i read was cliches and smearing of a club that contributes far more to the competition than that of those doing the smearing.

[storyoftheyear]

Anyway i know there are a few clubs celebrating milestone years this year what are they all proposing to do to celebrate this?

At WYC we are having a dinner just prior to the season commencing which will celebrate our 50th Year being season 2011/2012. We are hoping to have all our past players and others involved at the club present to enjoy catching up with their past team mates etc.

I know Coro are having something in about Feb next year for their 150th Year anniversary.

What are Keswick doing to celebrate their 75th Year.

Coro are having a 150th year Gala Dinner @ Adelaide Oval, Saturday 25th February 2012, a commemorative game in Jan, with a couple of other events tied into the year also

[Jabber]

Is there any reason to debate this anymore? Are there any clubs that actually support Keswick? seems like everyone thinks its a rubbish idea

The issue as I see it may be the Clubs that only play lower grade cricket in ASCA may well support it and somehow get this across the line eg your Adelaide Cavs, St Georges, Woodcrofts, International CC, and maybe Southern to a lesser extent. 1 dayers might apeal to them because its very simlilar to hit-and-giggle cricket anyway. No disrespect implied whatsoever.

The key is going to be Sheidow, North Haven & ICC, the clubs with the most votes. Hopefully we've just seen Nth Haven's Cards. But Sheidow are being reasonably quiet on here and ICC i dont think have any rep on here that i'm aware of.

Does anyone have any information about any other clubs voting? Pvt message.

[Jabber]

Anyway i know there are a few clubs celebrating milestone years this year what are they all proposing to do to celebrate this?

At WYC we are having a dinner just prior to the season commencing which will celebrate our 50th Year being season 2011/2012. We are hoping to have all our past players and others involved at the club present to enjoy catching up with their past team mates etc.

I know Coro are having something in about Feb next year for their 150th Year anniversary.

What are Keswick doing to celebrate their 75th Year.

Coro are having a 150th year Gala Dinner @ Adelaide Oval, Saturday 25th February 2012, a commemorative game in Jan, with a couple of other events tied into the year also

Plympton's got its 50th in a couple of years. Keen to have a look at some of the flyers any clubs have for thier landmark dinners/events etc so we can get some ideas of what others are doing.