South Australian Churches and Community Cricket Association

[Phantom Gossiper]

Yes have heard that, I am trying to find out who is running things at the moment because things have to be changed around and quickly before the demise of the club

Michael Johns is pulling the strings at the moment. Mass player exodus end of season because of him. Eg 2 seasons ago took a grade captaincy and gave it up after 2 rounds after winning no games, then spent the rest of the season in div 5 playing c grade and won a flag and very happy with himself.

Last year took over the a grade captaincy from matt bedgegood after he received little support from the club and immediately dropped him from the side.

He apparently sent Central Mission a list of "un-required Players" at the start of this season, many stalwarts of the club and a few some up and comers including young belczacki who is i believe 15? the kid already has a 5 wicket haul, very talented.

Dont know if you know Adam Gully but they were going to drop him this last game vs Central mission for "being too nice"
gully has been that club for the past 6 years.

Well Phantom Gossiper,

I guess that name suits you, because you Gossip and not report facts.

As for me runnng the club, no, I am 1 of 9 on a committtee, but thanks for the vote of confidence.
As for me giving up Captaincy, i think if you check your facts, you will find that the A grade players didn't want me to Captain (Still have the knife marks in the back).
Also if you check the records for that year, you will find that I played 1/2 the games in the A Teams.

Now, As for Matt Bedgegood standing down from Captain, if you had any idea (which I don't think you do) you would know that he stood down because of person reason, in taking to much on and not having the support of the players. The committee had a very long meeting with Matt to try and get him to stay. As for being dropped from the next game, that was also done after talking to Matt, he know what was going on. I was only talking to him about it this morning.

As for the list of players, the only names that went across was the 9 players that transfer to Central Mission, that was it.

I hope this might have cleared a few things up.

MJ

ok fair enough you would know more than me as you are involved with the club and i am merely an outsider looking in, but questions must be asked..

you talk about facts, fact one is you stood down as captain due to players not wanting you, then took over the captaincy again and players have left. Do you think this has anything to do with yourself?

Fact: you had 4 teams last season now only 3, obviously players gone else where. Why?

Your side in the b grade suffered a hefty loss on the weekend yet interesting to see names like osoba and wise in c grade. Why?

Do you think there is a problem at your club and if not then why is your club grabbing our attention as a club in trouble or are you trying to cover everything up and keep it rosey?

I dont know the answers nor pretend to know them all just observations, another is the fact that last championships enfield had 5 reps, Adam Gully, Matt Feltus, Michael Feltus, Paul Wright, Matt Bedgegood. Only one remains at enfield, is that because their egos are too big now or a deeper problem??

Im interested to know other peoples thoughts, perhaps bubbula as well who claims to have come from enfield...

[No1_Source]

Hello All

lots of talk about Enfield on here from what i seen not too much is going wrong just about everyone
is happy down there the new players are fitting in very well
The A's quite simple out bowled i think from seeing the game didnt use the pitch to advantage
also poor shot selections..
B's are a very young side maybe too young for our B Grade against people like ParaVista who most have played
Div 2 or 1?
The C's are the older players which shouldnt be relied on to fill our A's we wont improve if we keep relying on them

[Phantom Gossiper]

Hello All

lots of talk about Enfield on here from what i seen not too much is going wrong just about everyone
is happy down there the new players are fitting in very well
The A's quite simple out bowled i think from seeing the game didnt use the pitch to advantage
also poor shot selections..
B's are a very young side maybe too young for our B Grade against people like ParaVista who most have played
Div 2 or 1?
The C's are the older players which shouldnt be relied on to fill our A's we wont improve if we keep relying on them

well 1st of all hooray! abt time we got someone from enfield to give us an honest inside view!
the debate has never really been abt how the sides are performing, ive been very impressed by the a grades start to the yr.

couple quick questions though, 1st dont you think perhaps some of these older players could play b grade and the young ones cut their teeth in div 5? dont you think that might even out the score lines a bit more and give u 3 competitive sides?

2nd is where are all you players going? delre, edwards, belczacki, woolcock, wright, bedgegood, laird, brown all guys who played a grade but are missing this year? wen u see such a drastic change in side makes you wonder.. bubbula quoted earlier poor executive management.. i have also heard this around the traps...

[Mjjcrow]

Hello All

lots of talk about Enfield on here from what i seen not too much is going wrong just about everyone
is happy down there the new players are fitting in very well
The A's quite simple out bowled i think from seeing the game didnt use the pitch to advantage
also poor shot selections..
B's are a very young side maybe too young for our B Grade against people like ParaVista who most have played
Div 2 or 1?
The C's are the older players which shouldnt be relied on to fill our A's we wont improve if we keep relying on them

well 1st of all hooray! abt time we got someone from enfield to give us an honest inside view!
the debate has never really been abt how the sides are performing, ive been very impressed by the a grades start to the yr.

couple quick questions though, 1st dont you think perhaps some of these older players could play b grade and the young ones cut their teeth in div 5? dont you think that might even out the score lines a bit more and give u 3 competitive sides?

2nd is where are all you players going? delre, edwards, belczacki, woolcock, wright, bedgegood, laird, brown all guys who played a grade but are missing this year? wen u see such a drastic change in side makes you wonder.. bubbula quoted earlier poor executive management.. i have also heard this around the traps...

These are fair questions!

I regards to the B's, i think you make a fair point that some of the older heads might be able to come and some of the current B's could play down, but if you look at Enfield C's, they will play 1 game in the 1st 4 rounds. If you look at the B's there is a lot of new players, to give them the change to play we have been playing them in the B's. The B's on the weekend had 5 new players at the club.

As to where all the players are going, well some are taking a rest, some are going to be going interstate, some have gone to other clubs. Thats part of cricket, and when you have large number you will lose players. This year so far we have over 50 player registered.

As for poor executive management, well if bubbula would like to come to one of our committee meetings and say that to our faces he more than welcome.

The most disappointing thing about all this would have to be that we hear things, but never directly from the people that say it but from second and even third parties.

At the end of the day, things happens, and all we can do is roll with them

[Rolls Royce]

After the recent win against PDCA I was wondering what the strength of the competition was compared to the mid nineties ?

There were some quality players going around back then...Ross Hill, Mark Wienert, Simon Janetzki, Mick Kieboom, Scooter Morris, Craig and Jeff Eckerman, Brenton May and a big quickie who played for Plympton just to name a few.

With the sides the Churches have entered into the CUSA cup prior to this season it appeared to have gone down hill in a big way.

Just curious as I was involved with Salisbury West when they were in the comp....and it was pretty good back then.

[Phantom Gossiper]

After the recent win against PDCA I was wondering what the strength of the competition was compared to the mid nineties ?

There were some quality players going around back then...Ross Hill, Mark Wienert, Simon Janetzki, Mick Kieboom, Scooter Morris, Craig and Jeff Eckerman, Brenton May and a big quickie who played for Plympton just to name a few.

With the sides the Churches have entered into the CUSA cup prior to this season it appeared to have gone down hill in a big way.

Just curious as I was involved with Salisbury West when they were in the comp....and it was pretty good back then.

No doubt the standard has dropped significantly but things are looking up this year with decent sides like paralowie helping to boost the standard.

Hard for a comp like us, we dont have $$ for players and only a small comp, its hard to compete with the biggers comps eg. PDCA, Adel & Sub. All in all things are beginning to look up with hard work from scooter morris and mark weinert.

[Pidge]

Who was in the association side?

[Phantom Gossiper]

Who was in the association side?

in batting order:-

Frith (Paralowie)
Hodson (Para Vista)
Vander-Byl (Western XI)
Marshall (Para Vista) (C)
Holland (Paralowie)
Aistrope (Para Vista)
Bedgegood (Central Mission)
Vanderwerf (Morialta)
Subramanian (Western XI)
Cossens (Para Vista)
Muir (Western XI)
Vines (Para Vista) *bowled not batted*

other who didnt play

M. Feltus (Morialta)
S. Giglio (Fitzroy)
S. Clarke (Adel. Luth.)
A. Gully (Enfield)
B. Reidy (Rose Park)

[Pidge]

Who was in the association side?

in batting order:-

Frith (Paralowie)
Hodson (Para Vista)
Vander-Byl (Western XI)
Marshall (Para Vista) (C)
Holland (Paralowie)
Aistrope (Para Vista)
Bedgegood (Central Mission)
Vanderwerf (Morialta)
Subramanian (Western XI)
Cossens (Para Vista)
Muir (Western XI)
Vines (Para Vista) *bowled not batted*

other who didnt play

M. Feltus (Morialta)
S. Giglio (Fitzroy)
S. Clarke (Adel. Luth.)
A. Gully (Enfield)
B. Reidy (Rose Park)

A few Div 2 and 3 players there. What were the scores in the end?

[Phantom Gossiper]

A few Div 2 and 3 players there. What were the scores in the end?[/quote]

PDCA 8/148 off 40 overs, SACCA 1/150 off 32, Frith 82* and 30 odd each to Hodson and Vander-Byl. 4 Wickets to Muir, couple to Holland

[Pidge]

That is a fairly easy win. Would be good to see some of the Fitzroy boys go into that side.

[Phantom Gossiper]

That is a fairly easy win. Would be good to see some of the Fitzroy boys go into that side.

gigs would be handy also dave loechel but dont think dave is interested and gigs is battling back injury ive heard. They side is a bowler short though, wats fitzroys bowling stocks like? nothing special if memory serves

[Pidge]

Our bowling stocks havent been the best this season. We have the usual suspects, but even I have played A grade all season so far and I am not that good. I have 7 wickets this season.

[outsideedge]

You should be in the 2's Michael.

[Bubbula]

Yes have heard that, I am trying to find out who is running things at the moment because things have to be changed around and quickly before the demise of the club

Michael Johns is pulling the strings at the moment. Mass player exodus end of season because of him. Eg 2 seasons ago took a grade captaincy and gave it up after 2 rounds after winning no games, then spent the rest of the season in div 5 playing c grade and won a flag and very happy with himself.

Last year took over the a grade captaincy from matt bedgegood after he received little support from the club and immediately dropped him from the side.

He apparently sent Central Mission a list of "un-required Players" at the start of this season, many stalwarts of the club and a few some up and comers including young belczacki who is i believe 15? the kid already has a 5 wicket haul, very talented.

Dont know if you know Adam Gully but they were going to drop him this last game vs Central mission for "being too nice"
gully has been that club for the past 6 years.

Well Phantom Gossiper,

I guess that name suits you, because you Gossip and not report facts.

As for me runnng the club, no, I am 1 of 9 on a committtee, but thanks for the vote of confidence.
As for me giving up Captaincy, i think if you check your facts, you will find that the A grade players didn't want me to Captain (Still have the knife marks in the back).
Also if you check the records for that year, you will find that I played 1/2 the games in the A Teams.

Now, As for Matt Bedgegood standing down from Captain, if you had any idea (which I don't think you do) you would know that he stood down because of person reason, in taking to much on and not having the support of the players. The committee had a very long meeting with Matt to try and get him to stay. As for being dropped from the next game, that was also done after talking to Matt, he know what was going on. I was only talking to him about it this morning.

As for the list of players, the only names that went across was the 9 players that transfer to Central Mission, that was it.

I hope this might have cleared a few things up.

MJ

9 players, funny you say that... I seen a list of atleast 15.

[Bubbula]

Michael Johns is pulling the strings at the moment. Mass player exodus end of season because of him. Eg 2 seasons ago took a grade captaincy and gave it up after 2 rounds after winning no games, then spent the rest of the season in div 5 playing c grade and won a flag and very happy with himself.

Last year took over the a grade captaincy from matt bedgegood after he received little support from the club and immediately dropped him from the side.

He apparently sent Central Mission a list of "un-required Players" at the start of this season, many stalwarts of the club and a few some up and comers including young belczacki who is i believe 15? the kid already has a 5 wicket haul, very talented.

Dont know if you know Adam Gully but they were going to drop him this last game vs Central mission for "being too nice"
gully has been that club for the past 6 years.[/quote]

Well Phantom Gossiper,

I guess that name suits you, because you Gossip and not report facts.

As for me runnng the club, no, I am 1 of 9 on a committtee, but thanks for the vote of confidence.
As for me giving up Captaincy, i think if you check your facts, you will find that the A grade players didn't want me to Captain (Still have the knife marks in the back).
Also if you check the records for that year, you will find that I played 1/2 the games in the A Teams.

Now, As for Matt Bedgegood standing down from Captain, if you had any idea (which I don't think you do) you would know that he stood down because of person reason, in taking to much on and not having the support of the players. The committee had a very long meeting with Matt to try and get him to stay. As for being dropped from the next game, that was also done after talking to Matt, he know what was going on. I was only talking to him about it this morning.

As for the list of players, the only names that went across was the 9 players that transfer to Central Mission, that was it.

I hope this might have cleared a few things up.

MJ[/quote]

ok fair enough you would know more than me as you are involved with the club and i am merely an outsider looking in, but questions must be asked..

you talk about facts, fact one is you stood down as captain due to players not wanting you, then took over the captaincy again and players have left. Do you think this has anything to do with yourself?

Fact: you had 4 teams last season now only 3, obviously players gone else where. Why?

Your side in the b grade suffered a hefty loss on the weekend yet interesting to see names like osoba and wise in c grade. Why?

Do you think there is a problem at your club and if not then why is your club grabbing our attention as a club in trouble or are you trying to cover everything up and keep it rosey?

I dont know the answers nor pretend to know them all just observations, another is the fact that last championships enfield had 5 reps, Adam Gully, Matt Feltus, Michael Feltus, Paul Wright, Matt Bedgegood. Only one remains at enfield, is that because their egos are too big now or a deeper problem??

Im interested to know other peoples thoughts, perhaps bubbula as well who claims to have come from enfield...[/quote]
I can tell you Matt wasnt with Enfield when the nationals were on here. I think Mick was in his second dig there... Any good club as a group has players striving to play A Grade. Enfield isnt one of these clubs. There are many good players at Enfield and were many good players over the years I was there and if they had have fielded there strongest sides over the years they would have made the cut in Div 1. The listed players who have left left for these reasons. They wanted to play at clubs where they can achieve there potential and not flounder in lower grades because some-one doesnt like them or have to play a grade when being only d grade quality.
As for the super cs. I played a few games with them. Great guys but in regards of being 'to old' for a or b grade, come on! Its cricket!! Your never to old to be pushy your limit.
Last year I would have missed probably 3 trainings. I went one stage not playing a game for nearly 2 months. Hows that rewarding?

[No1_Source]

the super c's

good team.. the problem has been only 2 or 3 of the "super c's" train all the b grade train
which makes it hard for them because yes 70% arent b grade but the c grade have played 1 out of 4
so we have to reward the people training and most dont really complain there enjoying just being out there
even while losing :s

though the core group have moved up which isnt rewarding the people that made the effort to
come to our one training a week i feel sorry for some of them with the c's not playing again..

Good luck to every team this week
and hope mr 10 fa plays well for us

[locky801]

Good to see the same of probs are still there

[Bubbula]

Hello All

lots of talk about Enfield on here from what i seen not too much is going wrong just about everyone
is happy down there the new players are fitting in very well
The A's quite simple out bowled i think from seeing the game didnt use the pitch to advantage
also poor shot selections..
B's are a very young side maybe too young for our B Grade against people like ParaVista who most have played
Div 2 or 1?
The C's are the older players which shouldnt be relied on to fill our A's we wont improve if we keep relying on them

What do you mean relying on them. Half the C grade are good enough for A's or B's.. No-one should feel bad for asking these blokes to put in the effort for the better of there club. Its cricket for crying our loud.. There is very little difference from grade to grade. The C grade are a great bunch of guys I have no doubt about that but they have some talent down there that may never be used properly again because they want to play with there mates. Players should put the club first and whats best for the club not whats best for there egos.. The club would be alot stronger and alot better off if players played the grade they should play.

[Bubbula]

Hello All

lots of talk about Enfield on here from what i seen not too much is going wrong just about everyone
is happy down there the new players are fitting in very well
The A's quite simple out bowled i think from seeing the game didnt use the pitch to advantage
also poor shot selections..
B's are a very young side maybe too young for our B Grade against people like ParaVista who most have played
Div 2 or 1?
The C's are the older players which shouldnt be relied on to fill our A's we wont improve if we keep relying on them

well 1st of all hooray! abt time we got someone from enfield to give us an honest inside view!
the debate has never really been abt how the sides are performing, ive been very impressed by the a grades start to the yr.

couple quick questions though, 1st dont you think perhaps some of these older players could play b grade and the young ones cut their teeth in div 5? dont you think that might even out the score lines a bit more and give u 3 competitive sides?

2nd is where are all you players going? delre, edwards, belczacki, woolcock, wright, bedgegood, laird, brown all guys who played a grade but are missing this year? wen u see such a drastic change in side makes you wonder.. bubbula quoted earlier poor executive management.. i have also heard this around the traps...

These are fair questions!

I regards to the B's, i think you make a fair point that some of the older heads might be able to come and some of the current B's could play down, but if you look at Enfield C's, they will play 1 game in the 1st 4 rounds. If you look at the B's there is a lot of new players, to give them the change to play we have been playing them in the B's. The B's on the weekend had 5 new players at the club.

As to where all the players are going, well some are taking a rest, some are going to be going interstate, some have gone to other clubs. Thats part of cricket, and when you have large number you will lose players. This year so far we have over 50 player registered.

As for poor executive management, well if bubbula would like to come to one of our committee meetings and say that to our faces he more than welcome.

The most disappointing thing about all this would have to be that we hear things, but never directly from the people that say it but from second and even third parties.

At the end of the day, things happens, and all we can do is roll with them

In the 7 years I was at Enfield I was very clear cut on where I wanted the club to be and how I wanted things done.. I spoke out on behalf of many disgruntled people.. Doing this cost me selection in 3 consecutive rounds after not missing a single training in this time. I always told you and other what I thought, never held back. unfortunately I stood on peoples feet and paid the price.