Barossa & Light Cricket 2013/14.

[Dogwatcher]

That situation would be an anomaly though, wouldn't it?
You wouldn't change the finals system because a team dropped from top to fifth in the last round - and I've seen that happen.

[bennymacca]

I like the 2 up/2 down theory - why is that not in place?

From memory Kapunda went down the other year and were still a chance of playing finals going into the last round. I think they ended up being relegated by about 6 runs or something ridiculous like that...

From my point of view that makes it a bit harsh for a side in that position to go down to div two when a different result could have had them in the finals. If we ever get to a 10 team A1s comp then it would be a good idea to have 2 up/2 down...

not sure that is a justification. definitely harsh but in a two up two down system if they were good enough they would be back again next year easily.

with regards to a 10 team A1, im guessing they would need at least 2 more teams to enter the comp for that to happen. or maybe even 1 more, so there would be 10 in A1 and 6 in A1r (though keeping it at 8 and 8 would be more likely i would guess)

[Extractor]

I'm not saying it should be based purely on the situation with Kapunda, that was pretty much an anomaly. They did come straight back up the next year for what it's worth.

I just make the point that if it s 2up/2down you can have an 'ok' season and be fighting it out for a finals spot in the last round then the wrong outright result can see you relegated.

Probably depends what they want to achieve with the relegation system anyway. I reckon that pretty much every side apart from Greenock and Tanunda last year got straight back up the year after. Wouldnt those sides (South, Nuri, Kapunda, GCCC early on) be better served staying in A1 and playing better standard of cricket than going down and having an undefeated season then coming straight back?

[Red Rocket]

I like the 2 up/2 down theory - why is that not in place?

From memory Kapunda went down the other year and were still a chance of playing finals going into the last round. I think they ended up being relegated by about 6 runs or something ridiculous like that...

From my point of view that makes it a bit harsh for a side in that position to go down to div two when a different result could have had them in the finals. If we ever get to a 10 team A1s comp then it would be a good idea to have 2 up/2 down...

not sure that is a justification. definitely harsh but in a two up two down system if they were good enough they would be back again next year easily.

with regards to a 10 team A1, im guessing they would need at least 2 more teams to enter the comp for that to happen. or maybe even 1 more, so there would be 10 in A1 and 6 in A1r (though keeping it at 8 and 8 would be more likely i would guess)

Perhaps the league is waiting for these couple of turf decks to go in next year and then split the A1's into turf/hard wicket comps as ive heard being bandied about by some. Cant see this happening in reality and dont think the comp should head down that path.

[Useless]

I like the 2 up/2 down theory - why is that not in place?

From memory Kapunda went down the other year and were still a chance of playing finals going into the last round. I think they ended up being relegated by about 6 runs or something ridiculous like that...

From my point of view that makes it a bit harsh for a side in that position to go down to div two when a different result could have had them in the finals. If we ever get to a 10 team A1s comp then it would be a good idea to have 2 up/2 down...

not sure that is a justification. definitely harsh but in a two up two down system if they were good enough they would be back again next year easily.

with regards to a 10 team A1, im guessing they would need at least 2 more teams to enter the comp for that to happen. or maybe even 1 more, so there would be 10 in A1 and 6 in A1r (though keeping it at 8 and 8 would be more likely i would guess)

Perhaps the league is waiting for these couple of turf decks to go in next year and then split the A1's into turf/hard wicket comps as ive heard being bandied about by some. Cant see this happening in reality and dont think the comp should head down that path.

Would hope this didn't happen as the best team ATM do not have turf decks. Ango are putting one in but GVCC and Freo do not have one and are not getting one at this stage. This would be disappointing for the best teams from the past 2 seasons (2011/12 & 2012/13 premiers) not in the best comp.

As for the one up, one down rule. I am sure I will be corrected on this but I believe the reasoning behind it was that 2 down from the A1 comp was to many with only 8 teams. and that the second team coming up from A1res may not be up to it. and same for A1s there was only 6 teams in A1res so 2 teams out of that is a lot.

Freo is lucky the rule was changed after they were in the A1s as they weren't minor premiers in the A1res and they have gone on to win 3 A1 premierships.

[bennymacca]

freeling proves the point that teams should be able to move up and down more freely.

in any event, with the exception of the declining junior competition, you have to give it to the barossa and light comp, there wouldnt be too many other comps that have grown in the last few years

[Dogwatcher]

A very good comp.
Lots of passion too, which is great as many country comps struggle for that these days.

[daysofourlives]

freeling proves the point that teams should be able to move up and down more freely.

in any event, with the exception of the declining junior competition, you have to give it to the barossa and light comp, there wouldnt be too many other comps that have grown in the last few years

What basis do u say the junior comp is declining?
U10, U12, and U14 comps have all increased in numbers as well as have a go. The U16 had 8 teams this year which isnt great but i would say over the last 10 years there hasnt been too many years where there has been more than 8 teams.

Are you looking through your Freeling glasses again?

[bennymacca]

not necessarily freeling glasses, just seems to me a lot more combined clubs in the lower grades. if the juniors are still growing as well thats fantastic

[daysofourlives]

not necessarily freeling glasses, just seems to me a lot more combined clubs in the lower grades. if the juniors are still growing as well thats fantastic

There has always been combined teams in juniors. Im not a huge fan of it as i think it can often be the easy way out.
Would rather see teams play with 7-9 players than combine with someone else. At U10 and U12 level i think 8 is an ideal amount for a team anyway. Quite often if you have a team you will pick up one or two extras early in the season.
If a small town like Angaston can field every junior grade every year i don't see how some other towns cant. Its not easy but it can be done.

[smac]

I'd be shattered if it were declining. Glad to hear it isn't.

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[Jim05]

freeling proves the point that teams should be able to move up and down more freely.

in any event, with the exception of the declining junior competition, you have to give it to the barossa and light comp, there wouldnt be too many other comps that have grown in the last few years

Incorrect Benny
Record numbers of teams at junior level this year, 47 junior sides this year and looks like increasing next year. Have a go is also getting very good numbers and the success of Friday night u10 and u12 cricket has been amazing. Of the 15 clubs in the comp only 2 clubs are fielding less than 2 junior sides, most are fielding 3 or 4 and a couple have 5 or 6.
Under 16's have been a problem, was 12-13 sides a few years back but dwindled to 6 last year, have got it back to 8 this year but its a very difficult age group to fill

[TimmiesChin]

Under 16's have been a problem, was 12-13 sides a few years back but dwindled to 6 last year, have got it back to 8 this year but its a very difficult age group to fill

And always will be while you also have u14. Natural attrition will do that. If each club fields an u10/u12/u14/u16 thats a two year gap for each age group.

A percentage of players drop out each year... its a fact....and new players starting at higher age groups is rare.

Therefore you probably need a pool of 25 in your under 10 this year so that as they drop off over time theres enough to field an u16 club in 6 years time. Ie if two players drop off each year over 6 you lose 12.

[magpieeagle]

A1R-Mallala all out 41 Tanunda 7-85

[daysofourlives]

A2 Sandy Creek 40 Ango 5/70
A4 Tan def Ango 9 down
A1 GV in front of Ango

[interested onlooker]

What's the rule with getting a runner?

[TimmiesChin]

What's the rule with getting a runner?

Ruled out of international cricket in 2011 bur allowed elsewhere.

[interested onlooker]

So if a player brings and injury into the game they are allowed to have a runner?

[TimmiesChin]

So if a player brings and injury into the game they are allowed to have a runner?

In this level of cricket how can you tell someones brought an injury in?

But from memory no.

[import]

A2 Tanunda 172 v GCCC
A3 Kapunda 102 v Greenock 0/17