Para District Cricket Association 2009-10

[Wizard of Oz]

How many of the PDCA clubs have coaches?

Coaches and guys that coordinate training are 2 different things.

Wouldn't think there'd be too many actual qualified 'coaches' running around in PDCA.

[catchit]

GO YOU ROSIES.......

[norm11]

GO YOU ROSIES.......

Why who have u signed now
?

[duck-mann]

I have Played against Craigmore B's for the last three seasons. They were not as good last year as they have been during the previous seasons. Just missed finals sure, but the seventh and eighth teams in grade three were pretty bad to be honest, and you could just as easily have finished sixth behind Smithfield. You would see the improvement in the young guys more than me obviously, and that great, but stats wise, you only had four players in the top 50 runscorers for the grade with the highest finishing 22nd. With the bowling, only one in the top 40, then 6 guys between 40 and 50 I think that speaks for itself really. I dont mean to be disrespectful, I have said plenty of times on here that Craigmore are a good club. Just not a great season in my view.

was by no means saying we were great... just capable of being better than our stats suggest. there is a big difference between being capable of being good and actually being good.. I think that CCCs B grade last year showed at times they could be a good side, just never really put it together. The only 2 teams we didnt beat last season were Brahma and OTH, who finished 1st and 2nd... cant say we werent competitive!

[sports follower]

What will happen at Brahma when Sibbick, Brown and a few others retire?? You have no juniors so where do you get your future players from. Do you rely on mates or recruit from outside or do you just slowly slide down the grades?? Just my opinion

What is your opinion?
Yes, if they don't recruit they will slide down the grades.
Haven't had juniors for a long time and are still in grade 1.
Would be nice to have the juniors that other clubs have.
Hopefully if Brahma can attract some recruits "through word of mouth" they will go deep into the finals.
Who do you follow?

I dont have an opinion on Brahma as I dont know what is happening there.

[sports follower]

well sports follower... u just mentioned six teams that dont have junior sides. five of them being in div 1... so maybe there is somethin about not havin a junior side and focussing on seniors. i dunno... not sayin thats my opinion just puttin it out there for discussion. brahma lodge have been there and about for a long time. OTH seem like they have some real talent in their early 20s with a few quality older heads too... rose and crown are really up and coming in a big way. virginia, although struggled a touch last season did push all the way the previous season and parafield gardens are hopefully ready to show what they can do in div 1. but these sides, who u ask whether they have to rely on recruitment through mates or slip down the grades are obviously relying on recruitment because they are all up and comin and being successful. possibly there is something about not havin a junior side??? i dunno... seems to be workin for some

But for how long is the point I was trying to make.

Brahma have had juniors in the last 5 years and some of those players are still at the club. Rosies as we all know are on a recruiting drive. Virginia may struggle in the next few years once the Natsias, Leos etc retire and they dont have the players to cover for these guys. Parafield Gdns are into Div 1 for next season and good luck to them. OTH must recruit as they havent had juniors for a while.
So yeah it is working for some clubs and good luck to them but Salisbury West are the benchmark of the PDCA and they also have a good junior program.

[cricket4life]

well sports follower... u just mentioned six teams that dont have junior sides. five of them being in div 1... so maybe there is somethin about not havin a junior side and focussing on seniors. i dunno... not sayin thats my opinion just puttin it out there for discussion. brahma lodge have been there and about for a long time. OTH seem like they have some real talent in their early 20s with a few quality older heads too... rose and crown are really up and coming in a big way. virginia, although struggled a touch last season did push all the way the previous season and parafield gardens are hopefully ready to show what they can do in div 1. but these sides, who u ask whether they have to rely on recruitment through mates or slip down the grades are obviously relying on recruitment because they are all up and comin and being successful. possibly there is something about not havin a junior side??? i dunno... seems to be workin for some

But for how long is the point I was trying to make.

Brahma have had juniors in the last 5 years and some of those players are still at the club. Rosies as we all know are on a recruiting drive. Virginia may struggle in the next few years once the Natsias, Leos etc retire and they dont have the players to cover for these guys. Parafield Gdns are into Div 1 for next season and good luck to them. OTH must recruit as they havent had juniors for a while.
So yeah it is working for some clubs and good luck to them but Salisbury West are the benchmark of the PDCA and they also have a good junior program.

well no side in any sport stays at the top forever. you look at the different sports n teams have their periods... Man united havent always been as successful as they have for the last 20 years... before them it was liverpool with all the success for the previous 20 years. so one day sides like SW, BL, RC, OTH, VIR will all go down the grades. junior sides or not. but right now what most of these sides are doin, without a junior program (exception SW), is working very well indeed. i dont know when, if ever, craigmores sound junior program took them to the heights of division 1? im pretty sure most of the sides we r talking about that dont have a junior program have enjoyed more success at the highest level than craigmore.

im not having a dig at craigmore here. im just using it as an example because it seems to be the club of conversation at the moment. but you see what i am saying surely? having potential in the juniors is all well and good, however not the 'be all and end all' as clubs are showing. and turning that potential talent into quality players, and then keeping those quality players is a whole different kettle of fish. i see one of craigmores bright talents in young tuckwell has moved down the road to smithfield. and its all well and good talkin about what could be in 4 or 5 seasons... but what about the seasons in the mean time. if these young talents are going to become the players u obviously hope, they are going to be wanting to play div 1 i am sure. the best want to play against the best. if craigmore arent up in div 1 when these players come through... they could quite well chase greener pastures with a club in division 1, or even district level

[Lightning McQueen]

Hey C4L, to be fair to the CCC, their junior program has only really excelled over the past 4 or 5 years, while they have always had good parcipitation at junior level they have upped the ante recently.
They do have some excellent talent coming up through their 15's & 16's and if they are lost to district level it's no shame. They are a close-knit club and provide plenty of opportunities at senior level for juniors who wish to play in the afternoon.
Like I posted earlier, CCC had no say in the matter regarding Tuckwell, he had decided well before the season started that he was coming out to Smithfield. He approached me and said he doesn't mind playing A grade, as long as he deserves his spot through form and not just make up the numbers, he also stated he would prefer to start in the B's with his two brothers.
I spoke to him on a weekly basis and gave him goals for each weekend and told him what sort of role I'd like to see him play later on in the season. When he was rewarded with his first A grade game he was a bit disappointed on the Thursday to where he was batting, come Saturday he was fine as he seen we had Bateson, S.Moss, S.Rundle, Hannun as the other bowling all-rounders ahead of him, after that his attitude was impeccible. He actually got elevated that game and hit the winning runs and did the same thing the following day in a T20 match.
Craigmore have at least 5 players from their under 16's last season that will be regular A graders in the next few seasons, I can't really see any of them leaving in a hurry either.

[Iwasthere84]

Hey C4L, to be fair to the CCC, their junior program has only really excelled over the past 4 or 5 years, while they have always had good parcipitation at junior level they have upped the ante recently.
They do have some excellent talent coming up through their 15's & 16's and if they are lost to district level it's no shame. They are a close-knit club and provide plenty of opportunities at senior level for juniors who wish to play in the afternoon.
Like I posted earlier, CCC had no say in the matter regarding Tuckwell, he had decided well before the season started that he was coming out to Smithfield. He approached me and said he doesn't mind playing A grade, as long as he deserves his spot through form and not just make up the numbers, he also stated he would prefer to start in the B's with his two brothers.
I spoke to him on a weekly basis and gave him goals for each weekend and told him what sort of role I'd like to see him play later on in the season. When he was rewarded with his first A grade game he was a bit disappointed on the Thursday to where he was batting, come Saturday he was fine as he seen we had Bateson, S.Moss, S.Rundle, Hannun as the other bowling all-rounders ahead of him, after that his attitude was impeccible. He actually got elevated that game and hit the winning runs and did the same thing the following day in a T20 match.
Craigmore have at least 5 players from their under 16's last season that will be regular A graders in the next few seasons, I can't really see any of them leaving in a hurry either.

Brahma went through a period of glory when Gary Peckham got juniors up and running again approx 5 -6 years ago. We played in GF 3 years in a row. The current A grade side had not one player in there who came up through the ranks. Some went to district, other clubs and one or two in the Bs and Cs. Most of the 30 or so, simply gave it away. Begs the question, 5 or 6 years after they finish, are the kids sick of cricket and want to simply give up. A wise monkey once told me that out of a team of 11 U/16's if you get 2 playing in 3 yrs time, your club has done well. Very interesting

[Lightning McQueen]

Brahma went through a period of glory when Gary Peckham got juniors up and running again approx 5 -6 years ago. We played in GF 3 years in a row. The current A grade side had not one player in there who came up through the ranks. Some went to district, other clubs and one or two in the Bs and Cs. Most of the 30 or so, simply gave it away. Begs the question, 5 or 6 years after they finish, are the kids sick of cricket and want to simply give up. A wise monkey once told me that out of a team of 11 U/16's if you get 2 playing in 3 yrs time, your club has done well. Very interesting

I'm hearing you, we've wasted many opportunities when blooding youngsters, we have about half a dozen 19 to 22 year olds that we got them in the A's early to get them used of it and now they either play the occaisonal game or not at all. Scott Moss is probably the only exception, he's been a seasoned campaigner, on the other hand Ryan Gates who we let play in the lower grades just to keep him interested has now stepped up to the plate and has a regular A grade spot, he is probably our most technically correct batsman at 19.
It's hard trying to predict who is going to have the same enthusiasm in 3 or 4 years, you can only go on face value at that particular time.

[Executive Member]

Hey C4L, to be fair to the CCC, their junior program has only really excelled over the past 4 or 5 years, while they have always had good parcipitation at junior level they have upped the ante recently.
They do have some excellent talent coming up through their 15's & 16's and if they are lost to district level it's no shame. They are a close-knit club and provide plenty of opportunities at senior level for juniors who wish to play in the afternoon.
Like I posted earlier, CCC had no say in the matter regarding Tuckwell, he had decided well before the season started that he was coming out to Smithfield. He approached me and said he doesn't mind playing A grade, as long as he deserves his spot through form and not just make up the numbers, he also stated he would prefer to start in the B's with his two brothers.
I spoke to him on a weekly basis and gave him goals for each weekend and told him what sort of role I'd like to see him play later on in the season. When he was rewarded with his first A grade game he was a bit disappointed on the Thursday to where he was batting, come Saturday he was fine as he seen we had Bateson, S.Moss, S.Rundle, Hannun as the other bowling all-rounders ahead of him, after that his attitude was impeccible. He actually got elevated that game and hit the winning runs and did the same thing the following day in a T20 match.
Craigmore have at least 5 players from their under 16's last season that will be regular A graders in the next few seasons, I can't really see any of them leaving in a hurry either.

Brahma went through a period of glory when Gary Peckham got juniors up and running again approx 5 -6 years ago. We played in GF 3 years in a row. The current A grade side had not one player in there who came up through the ranks. Some went to district, other clubs and one or two in the Bs and Cs. Most of the 30 or so, simply gave it away. Begs the question, 5 or 6 years after they finish, are the kids sick of cricket and want to simply give up. A wise monkey once told me that out of a team of 11 U/16's if you get 2 playing in 3 yrs time, your club has done well. Very interesting

What a load of crap Iwas

The new A Grade captain come thru the juniors

[Iwasthere84]

Hey C4L, to be fair to the CCC, their junior program has only really excelled over the past 4 or 5 years, while they have always had good parcipitation at junior level they have upped the ante recently.
They do have some excellent talent coming up through their 15's & 16's and if they are lost to district level it's no shame. They are a close-knit club and provide plenty of opportunities at senior level for juniors who wish to play in the afternoon.
Like I posted earlier, CCC had no say in the matter regarding Tuckwell, he had decided well before the season started that he was coming out to Smithfield. He approached me and said he doesn't mind playing A grade, as long as he deserves his spot through form and not just make up the numbers, he also stated he would prefer to start in the B's with his two brothers.
I spoke to him on a weekly basis and gave him goals for each weekend and told him what sort of role I'd like to see him play later on in the season. When he was rewarded with his first A grade game he was a bit disappointed on the Thursday to where he was batting, come Saturday he was fine as he seen we had Bateson, S.Moss, S.Rundle, Hannun as the other bowling all-rounders ahead of him, after that his attitude was impeccible. He actually got elevated that game and hit the winning runs and did the same thing the following day in a T20 match.
Craigmore have at least 5 players from their under 16's last season that will be regular A graders in the next few seasons, I can't really see any of them leaving in a hurry either.

Brahma went through a period of glory when Gary Peckham got juniors up and running again approx 5 -6 years ago. We played in GF 3 years in a row. The current A grade side had not one player in there who came up through the ranks. Some went to district, other clubs and one or two in the Bs and Cs. Most of the 30 or so, simply gave it away. Begs the question, 5 or 6 years after they finish, are the kids sick of cricket and want to simply give up. A wise monkey once told me that out of a team of 11 U/16's if you get 2 playing in 3 yrs time, your club has done well. Very interesting

What a load of crap Iwas

The new A Grade captain come thru the juniors

From the Peckham era, was what Im on about

[Executive Member]

Hey C4L, to be fair to the CCC, their junior program has only really excelled over the past 4 or 5 years, while they have always had good parcipitation at junior level they have upped the ante recently.
They do have some excellent talent coming up through their 15's & 16's and if they are lost to district level it's no shame. They are a close-knit club and provide plenty of opportunities at senior level for juniors who wish to play in the afternoon.
Like I posted earlier, CCC had no say in the matter regarding Tuckwell, he had decided well before the season started that he was coming out to Smithfield. He approached me and said he doesn't mind playing A grade, as long as he deserves his spot through form and not just make up the numbers, he also stated he would prefer to start in the B's with his two brothers.
I spoke to him on a weekly basis and gave him goals for each weekend and told him what sort of role I'd like to see him play later on in the season. When he was rewarded with his first A grade game he was a bit disappointed on the Thursday to where he was batting, come Saturday he was fine as he seen we had Bateson, S.Moss, S.Rundle, Hannun as the other bowling all-rounders ahead of him, after that his attitude was impeccible. He actually got elevated that game and hit the winning runs and did the same thing the following day in a T20 match.
Craigmore have at least 5 players from their under 16's last season that will be regular A graders in the next few seasons, I can't really see any of them leaving in a hurry either.

Brahma went through a period of glory when Gary Peckham got juniors up and running again approx 5 -6 years ago. We played in GF 3 years in a row. The current A grade side had not one player in there who came up through the ranks. Some went to district, other clubs and one or two in the Bs and Cs. Most of the 30 or so, simply gave it away. Begs the question, 5 or 6 years after they finish, are the kids sick of cricket and want to simply give up. A wise monkey once told me that out of a team of 11 U/16's if you get 2 playing in 3 yrs time, your club has done well. Very interesting

What a load of crap Iwas

The new A Grade captain come thru the juniors

From the Peckham era, was what Im on about

Of those that played A Grade last year
Rhett Thompson, Luke Nelson, Mark Zammitt are 3 that come from that era

[Iwasthere84]

I did say current A grade team. Thomson quit half way through, Nelly came from East Pk and Zammo didnt make the B grade GF. Chuck in Millsy Ricky and Mitch and thats about all we have left.Players that spring to mind that are not playing for their Junior club through many reasons are Peckham, Cearns, Chatham, T Zammit, S Zammit, Furnell, Laverty,Pearce, Robb and Gallaboff. All not 21 yet

[cricket4life]

lightning mcqueen, im not doubtin that their is talent within craigmores junior programme. and good luck to them bringing that talent through into their sneior sides, to their As. all i am saying is that it seems interesting at the moment that most of the sides towards the top echelons of cricket, with the exceptiong of salisbury west, dont have junior sides. last season RC were 2nd, OTH 3rd, BL 4th, Vir 5th i think or 6th... either way. none of these teams have a junior program. and are obviously gaining players through recruitment alone. the question is was posing to people on the forum was is it necessarily beneficial to have a junior side? in the current time it seems not. you can even use craigmore as an example to show that juniors at the moment arent the ones they hope to drive them forward. there is news of 2 or 3 players moving from another A grade side to their club. and it seems craigmore is pinning its hopes of being successful in div 2 on the arrival of these players, in addition to R Howe and G Elliott. so its not their juniors at the moment that the club is depending on. its on pure recruitment alone at the moment which they are hoping will bring them success.

[Lightning McQueen]

All of those sides you mentioned have been heavily reliant on 2 to 4 players, most clubs are in this situation therefore the ability to blood juniors will give you a better eleventh best player.
We pretty much broke even with gains and losses last season and went from 8th to premiers, the development of our juniors and having eleven players that have the ability to win a game off of their own back was the difference, if Raed got out cheaply we didn't go into panic mode like previous years.

[catchit]

GO YOU ROSIES.......

Why who have u signed now

not sandy this time.[again] Going to a team that doesnt have players thinking they can leave early come finals time..

[norm11]

GO YOU ROSIES.......

Why who have u signed now

not sandy this time.[again] Going to a team that doesnt have players thinking they can leave early come finals time..

smart arse

[norm11]

bomber is playing for u guys then?
It was my sister in laws wedding and my three kids and my wife were in it

[Browny25]

bomber is playing for u guys then?
It was my sister in laws wedding and my three kids and my wife were in it

Just go to the reception!