BAROSSA & LIGHT CRICKET 2012/13

[norm11]

Harlem Shuffle strikes at South Gawler. It's nasty, too.

I'm regretting looking at that on the work computer...

Thought it was fantastic

[happyhawk]

MALLALA A2s PREMIERS, looking forward to A1 Res

Congrats on a good season.
Will there be a ressies next year?
Hearing plenty of rumours of a 10 or 12 team A1's next year

Ive heard the same rumours, but let's face it, if it wasn't nuri getting relegated would it be on the table as an option.

When it's all said and done the a1 and a1r has been one of the best calls for the association as a whole made for a very long time.

also rumours that the A5 competition could be scrapped and going back to the traditional 4 grades.. there are pros and cons of the ressies going. more turf wickets would be a plus but tanunda and eudunda would be more inclined to spend a year in the A2 comp on recent performances, then again look at what freeling achieved in their first year back in the top grade. shows what can happen with a couple of good new players. will be very interesting to see what eventuates.

[Red Rocket]

Would have to be some of the Ressie sides stay down in A2's, can only see them going to a 10 or 12 team A1 which would leave atleast 3 sides to play A2's. Some of the Ressies sides are only that standard anyway.
Not totally against the idea but the draw would have to be done evenly, imagine the uproar if one side copped more 2 dayers against ressies sides than others, would be plenty of outrights.
Hopefully the association gets it right, seems to be working ok at the moment, would hate to ruin a good comp.

[happyhawk]

true. programming would be a huge issue

[daysofourlives]

Would have to be some of the Ressie sides stay down in A2's, can only see them going to a 10 or 12 team A1 which would leave atleast 3 sides to play A2's. Some of the Ressies sides are only that standard anyway.
Not totally against the idea but the draw would have to be done evenly, imagine the uproar if one side copped more 2 dayers against ressies sides than others, would be plenty of outrights.
Hopefully the association gets it right, seems to be working ok at the moment, would hate to ruin a good comp.

Nothing will change, Nuri just need to take it on the chin like everyone else. Its too late for any changes for next season, any changes would need to be made before next season that would effect the following season.
Who cares if its one less Turf wicket in A1, its about having the best 8 teams in A1 regardless of what wicket you have.
A 10 or 12 team draw is impossible to get even unless only 2 day matches are played but i think most clubs are against that.

What needs to be remembered is its not just about the A1 comp, its about making all grades more even. i.e all B grade sides are playing against each other and not having to face A grade sides. Believe me there is a massive gap between the worst A1 res side and the best A2 sides.

[Extractor]

Would have to be some of the Ressie sides stay down in A2's, can only see them going to a 10 or 12 team A1 which would leave atleast 3 sides to play A2's. Some of the Ressies sides are only that standard anyway.
Not totally against the idea but the draw would have to be done evenly, imagine the uproar if one side copped more 2 dayers against ressies sides than others, would be plenty of outrights.
Hopefully the association gets it right, seems to be working ok at the moment, would hate to ruin a good comp.

Nothing will change, Nuri just need to take it on the chin like everyone else. Its too late for any changes for next season, any changes would need to be made before next season that would effect the following season.
Who cares if its one less Turf wicket in A1, its about having the best 8 teams in A1 regardless of what wicket you have.
A 10 or 12 team draw is impossible to get even unless only 2 day matches are played but i think most clubs are against that.

What needs to be remembered is its not just about the A1 comp, its about making all grades more even. i.e all B grade sides are playing against each other and not having to face A grade sides. Believe me there is a massive gap between the worst A1 res side and the best A2 sides.

I reckon Mallala would give ERCC and Tanunda a good run for their money after watching a bit of the A2 GF on the weekend. Why wouldnt they be required to come into A1 Reserves as that is their A Grade? I understand nobody wants a bye but isn't it more important to have the right teams in the right grades?

[daysofourlives]

MALLALA A2s PREMIERS, looking forward to A1 Res

Congrats on a good season.
Will there be a ressies next year?
Hearing plenty of rumours of a 10 or 12 team A1's next year

Ive heard the same rumours, but let's face it, if it wasn't nuri getting relegated would it be on the table as an option.

When it's all said and done the a1 and a1r has been one of the best calls for the association as a whole made for a very long time.

also rumours that the A5 competition could be scrapped and going back to the traditional 4 grades.. there are pros and cons of the ressies going. more turf wickets would be a plus but tanunda and eudunda would be more inclined to spend a year in the A2 comp on recent performances, then again look at what freeling achieved in their first year back in the top grade. shows what can happen with a couple of good new players. will be very interesting to see what eventuates.

It isnt an option, Nuri can sook all they like.
They only want 10 teams if they are one of them, Maybe if they want 10 teams we should bring 3 teams up and Nuri still go down. And when they finish bottom again what then, do they go for 12 teams.

A5 is only ever a year by year proposition depending on the number of one day sides that are nominated. ie if there was just 12 there would only be A4s but if like this year there was 15 there will be 4s and 5s

[daysofourlives]

Would have to be some of the Ressie sides stay down in A2's, can only see them going to a 10 or 12 team A1 which would leave atleast 3 sides to play A2's. Some of the Ressies sides are only that standard anyway.
Not totally against the idea but the draw would have to be done evenly, imagine the uproar if one side copped more 2 dayers against ressies sides than others, would be plenty of outrights.
Hopefully the association gets it right, seems to be working ok at the moment, would hate to ruin a good comp.

Nothing will change, Nuri just need to take it on the chin like everyone else. Its too late for any changes for next season, any changes would need to be made before next season that would effect the following season.
Who cares if its one less Turf wicket in A1, its about having the best 8 teams in A1 regardless of what wicket you have.
A 10 or 12 team draw is impossible to get even unless only 2 day matches are played but i think most clubs are against that.

What needs to be remembered is its not just about the A1 comp, its about making all grades more even. i.e all B grade sides are playing against each other and not having to face A grade sides. Believe me there is a massive gap between the worst A1 res side and the best A2 sides.

I reckon Mallala would give ERCC and Tanunda a good run for their money after watching a bit of the A2 GF on the weekend. Why wouldnt they be required to come into A1 Reserves as that is their A Grade? I understand nobody wants a bye but isn't it more important to have the right teams in the right grades?

I didnt say they shouldnt have a ressies side and i believe they will be in A1 res next year and it will be a 7 team comp.
I was more referring to the fact Tanunda and Eudunda would be too strong for the b grade teams

[TimmiesChin]

I didnt say they shouldnt have a ressies side and i believe they will be in A1 res next year and it will be a 7 team comp.
I was more referring to the fact Tanunda and Eudunda would be too strong for the b grade teams

Couldn't agree more. Perhaps in a perfect world we find another club and end up with 8 team A1 and 8 team A1R comps. Having played most grades over the past few years, its clear the A1R sides are a lot closer in standard to the A1 sides than to the A2 sides. All 6 A1R sides would dominate the A2 comp.

[Red Rocket]

There is a much easier way for Nuri to stay up, the association could grow a set and tell South to widen their pitch or stay in the Ressies next season

[Red Rocket]

Would have to be some of the Ressie sides stay down in A2's, can only see them going to a 10 or 12 team A1 which would leave atleast 3 sides to play A2's. Some of the Ressies sides are only that standard anyway.
Not totally against the idea but the draw would have to be done evenly, imagine the uproar if one side copped more 2 dayers against ressies sides than others, would be plenty of outrights.
Hopefully the association gets it right, seems to be working ok at the moment, would hate to ruin a good comp.

Nothing will change, Nuri just need to take it on the chin like everyone else. Its too late for any changes for next season, any changes would need to be made before next season that would effect the following season.
Who cares if its one less Turf wicket in A1, its about having the best 8 teams in A1 regardless of what wicket you have.
A 10 or 12 team draw is impossible to get even unless only 2 day matches are played but i think most clubs are against that.

What needs to be remembered is its not just about the A1 comp, its about making all grades more even. i.e all B grade sides are playing against each other and not having to face A grade sides. Believe me there is a massive gap between the worst A1 res side and the best A2 sides.

Fair call.
Will this apply to lower grades aswell?
Will A3 sides be made to go up to A2's?

[TimmiesChin]

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[TimmiesChin]

Will A3 sides be made to go up to A2's?

I agree that the A1/A1R arrangement has been a massive positive for the competition in lower grades. No longer is the A2 comp a heap of second elevens competing against 3 or 4 a grade sides, and the effect flows on.

You can sort of consider A3 an A2R competition of sorts. With the exception of Truro and Eudunda (who had none), all clubs seemed to have at least one side in either grade, with Sandy and Centrals having on in each.

Assuming Mallala go up (which it sounds like they will - and have earn't), and given Tanunda dropped out of 3's early in the season, that leaves 14 teams across the two grades if theres no other changes. Which could be structured as 8 A2 and 6 A3 or vice versa depending on sides quality.

[Red Rocket]

Will A3 sides be made to go up to A2's?

You can sort of consider A3 an A2R competition of sorts. With the exception of Truro and Eudunda (who had none), all clubs seemed to have at least one side in either grade, with Sandy and Centrals having on in each.

Assuming Mallala go up (which it sounds like they will - and have earn't), and given Tanunda dropped out of 3's early in the season, that leaves 14 teams across the two grades if theres no other changes. Which could be structured as 8 A2 and 6 A3 or vice versa depending on sides quality.

Would like to think that Freeling and LP both go up and play in their rightfull grades.
Only saw a few games of 3's this year but a couple of sides had players floating between the 1's and 3's.
Would like to think that any side in the A1's would have their B grade in A2's

[TimmiesChin]

Would like to think that Freeling and LP both go up and play in their rightfull grades.
Only saw a few games of 3's this year but a couple of sides had players floating between the 1's and 3's.
Would like to think that any side in the A1's would have their B grade in A2's

Possibly may happen.

There's not always a correlation between A and B grade sides. One example is Angaston who has a very strong A grade side, but whos B grade is on the border of 2's and 3's. While Gilbert Valley always puts out a strong A grade, I'd suggest their A3 side would really struggle in an A2 comp.

I'd like to think as a general rule, similar to A1/A1R promotion/relegation similar consideration would be given to clubs in these grades. Place these sides in grades reflective of their level rather than that of their higher grade.

[Rabish Binney]

Will A3 sides be made to go up to A2's?

You can sort of consider A3 an A2R competition of sorts. With the exception of Truro and Eudunda (who had none), all clubs seemed to have at least one side in either grade, with Sandy and Centrals having on in each.

Assuming Mallala go up (which it sounds like they will - and have earn't), and given Tanunda dropped out of 3's early in the season, that leaves 14 teams across the two grades if theres no other changes. Which could be structured as 8 A2 and 6 A3 or vice versa depending on sides quality.

Would like to think that Freeling and LP both go up and play in their rightfull grades.
Only saw a few games of 3's this year but a couple of sides had players floating between the 1's and 3's.
Would like to think that any side in the A1's would have their B grade in A2's

Agree with your last point there RR but then would that make the 2's as even as possible? Would GV A3's for example (i.e. their "B" grade) who were bowled out for 43 in the semi be competetive against (say) Nuri's A2 side?. Then what happens to the 3's? Do some A4 clubs then come up into the 3's?

It's not an easy thing to make the grades as even as possible and to be honest I dont know what the best solution is. The A3's are a perfect example - of the 7 sides in that grade (ex Tanunda) 5 were "B" grade sides - only GC and Sandy were legitimate "C" sides.

[Shh..Listen2me]

Two of our very own walked away tied in the JL Mosey Medal count last night at the South Gawler Football Club. Well done UtP and Donkey.

A grade

Batting Aggregate - Ben Burgess
Batting Average - Ben Burgess
Bowling Aggregate - Brett Burgess
Bowling Average - Brett Burgess
Cricketer of the year - Aaron King
JL Mosey (tied on 27 votes) - Ben Burgess & Stephen Hands

Team of the Year:
Brett Burgess (Captain) - Angaston
Ben Burgess - Angaston
Raed Hannun - Freeling
Ben Parish - Freeling
Brian Montgomery - Freeling
Aaron King - Gawler Centrals
James Vandeluer - Gilbert Valley
Daniel Doecke - Nuriootpa
Stephen Hands - Sandy Creek
Michael Burden - Sandy Creek
Andrew Kokot - Sandy Creek

I am missing someone, maybe Nathan Waterhouse from Light Pass?? not sure, happy for someone to fill in if you know who it was.

[james07]

I think now that Mallala has had a couple of season in this comp they should go to the A1 res this gives us an even draw including a bye and all A grade sides are in the A1 and res comps.

If there is a suggestion of going to 10 ten comp then the first question that's needs to be answered is "WHY" of what benefit it is to the comp? If it is to keep more turf clubs in A1 then is there going to be a by-law stating that no turf club can be relegated? as already mentioned what happens if a Turf club finishes bottom of the 10 team comp and the A2 winner wants to comes up? does the assoc say no unless its hard wicket. I don't think is a fair way to run the comp.

I believe Kapunda raised the same issue 2 years back and it got squashed at the AGM so what has changed since then to mount a compelling argument to change.

I do like the idea of requesting South and any other side/club coming up to have the wider deck.

[TimmiesChin]

If it is to keep more turf clubs in A1 then is there going to be a by-law stating that no turf club can be relegated?

There's one obvious way to ensure more turf clubs in A1's but it costs money, perhaps an assoc level grant application allowing another 3 or 4 clubs to get decks.

Selecting teams in grades based on the type of pitch as you say would be ridiculous. That being said, a minimum standard of facility for competing clubs is not too much to ask for I wouldn't have though, especially given how long the width of Souths deck has been talked about.

To me, getting the A1/A1R structure right (which I think it basically is - so why change it), and getting the junior structure right are two of the most critical agenda items. Without being close to it, I get the sense junior cricket is in a bit of trouble, possibly because they tried to expand (extra age groups) at a time when numbers were stagnating.

[james07]

If it is to keep more turf clubs in A1 then is there going to be a by-law stating that no turf club can be relegated?

There's one obvious way to ensure more turf clubs in A1's but it costs money, perhaps an assoc level grant application allowing another 3 or 4 clubs to get decks.

Selecting teams in grades based on the type of pitch as you say would be ridiculous. That being said, a minimum standard of facility for competing clubs is not too much to ask for I wouldn't have though, especially given how long the width of Souths deck has been talked about.

To me, getting the A1/A1R structure right (which I think it basically is - so why change it), and getting the junior structure right are two of the most critical agenda items. Without being close to it, I get the sense junior cricket is in a bit of trouble, possibly because they tried to expand (extra age groups) at a time when numbers were stagnating.

junior cricket is an interesting one, I think will the current focus is on under 16s I believe the problems actually starts at an earlier age. being involved with the 10s and 12s I notice the kids get really bored in the field they love to bat and bowl but the in field kills them especially the kids that aren't cricket die hards. they generally stick at it through under 14s but finally give it away at 16s either due to footy or other options are more accessible to them for Sat mornings. If we consider reducing the number of players on the field/team for 10s and 12s in would create several things. Firstly there would be more runs scored as there is more gaps, less kids to chase the ball hence each kids is involved more often in the game and also depending on the number per side kids could potentially bowl for 3 overs and bat for 6 per pair which would mean more development for the kids as they are involved in the game more. If clubs are struggling for numbers this would also help and would create more teams amongst the younger age groups. If the kids get the chance to develop the skills the likely hood of them remaining in the game is greater.