ATCA

[Sonofbrowny25]

so how were the grounds on the weekend?

ours was soft!

[helicopterking]

I hear the SPOC skipper may have gone in the book on the weekend?
Anyone from SPOC or Pooraka able to shine any light on it? Didn't sound great.

What have you heard?

[helicopterking]

so how were the grounds on the weekend?

ours was soft!

Ground we played on was ok. Pitch was a little slow early but got better as the day went on.

[tigerpie]

Our game against Pembroke got reduced to 45 per side. it was a little soft early but played ok later in the day.

[Trader]

I hear the SPOC skipper may have gone in the book on the weekend?
Anyone from SPOC or Pooraka able to shine any light on it? Didn't sound great.

What have you heard?

Basically that he wasn't happy with a wide call and wouldn't let the bowler bowl another one until the umpire apologised. Then went on to call the umpire pathetic over and over yelling it all the way from the slip cordon. Apparently it went on for a good 15 minutes.

[helicopterking]

I hear the SPOC skipper may have gone in the book on the weekend?
Anyone from SPOC or Pooraka able to shine any light on it? Didn't sound great.

What have you heard?

Basically that he wasn't happy with a wide call and wouldn't let the bowler bowl another one until the umpire apologised. Then went on to call the umpire pathetic over and over yelling it all the way from the slip cordon. Apparently it went on for a good 15 minutes.

Wow, Over a wide call?
It is concerning in some of the wide explanations the umpires come up with. So much grey area and it changed with every umpire.

[tigerpie]

We bowled 26 wides......that's s lot!

[helicopterking]

Not 1 leg side wide was called all day. Which I think is wrong.

[Down the Hill]

Umpires were clearly given a directive with wides before Saturday because the umps in our A3 game spoke at length to the captains at the toss to advise that anything down leg side would be called wide. The off-side interpretation was more an issue with wides being called when a player showed poor footwork forcing him to reach for the ball and missing, but not being called when a batter got the foot across and missed without reaching for the ball. Bowlers were effectively being punished for a batters poor footwork. In fairness to the umps, both teams got the same treatment.

[helicopterking]

Umpires were clearly given a directive with wides before Saturday because the umps in our A3 game spoke at length to the captains at the toss to advise that anything down leg side would be called wide. The off-side interpretation was more an issue with wides being called when a player showed poor footwork forcing him to reach for the ball and missing, but not being called when a batter got the foot across and missed without reaching for the ball. Bowlers were effectively being punished for a batters poor footwork. In fairness to the umps, both teams got the same treatment.

Exact opposite with leg side in our A2s match.
They said " if the ball pitches down leg side, but holds it line or goes back towards the keeper, it's a legal delivery.
I pleaded with them to remove the 'grey' area surrounding the leg side wide, and call all balls down leg side a wide, they said no.
Next 1 Dayer we play, the rules will be totally different again.

[heater31]

ATCA don't have marks on return crease to use as a guide?

[Down the Hill]

The 30 yard circle and additional crease lines are an ATCA requirement for when we play 50 over matches, although some clubs will forget to inform the curator. I would still much rather a dubious call or non-call of wide than a dodgy decision.

[heater31]

The 30 yard circle and additional crease lines are an ATCA requirement for when we play 50 over matches, although some clubs will forget to inform the curator. I would still much rather a dubious call or non-call of wide than a dodgy decision.

In my experience that at least helps to eliminate the off side shocker with the batsman's poor footwork penalising the bowler.

[human_torpedo]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts

[The Bedge]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts

There needs to be incentive to play a 2nd innings though and chase those outrights - what if you do everything right and fall a few runs short or a wicket short of an outright? All that hard work is for nothing if you aren't at least awarded bonus points, and teams would then start calling the game after the first innings - could see some very early finishes to games.

[heater31]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts

There needs to be incentive to play a 2nd innings though and chase those outrights - what if you do everything right and fall a few runs short or a wicket short of an outright? All that hard work is for nothing if you aren't at least awarded bonus points, and teams would then start calling the game after the first innings - could see some very early finishes to games.

Then you introduce a rule that play must continue until 5pm where the captains must agree to call it off. Otherwise continue.

Grade cricket got rid of their 2nd innings points years ago, very rare that you got a sniff of an outright win by 5pm, unless they were absolute spuds.

[Senor Moto Gadili]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts

There needs to be incentive to play a 2nd innings though and chase those outrights - what if you do everything right and fall a few runs short or a wicket short of an outright? All that hard work is for nothing if you aren't at least awarded bonus points, and teams would then start calling the game after the first innings - could see some very early finishes to games.

Then you introduce a rule that play must continue until 5pm where the captains must agree to call it off. Otherwise continue.

Grade cricket got rid of their 2nd innings points years ago, very rare that you got a sniff of an outright win by 5pm, unless they were absolute spuds.

ATCA C Grade comp does not have bonus points in second innings. Captains can agree to call the game off at the completion of first innings, so long as it is no earlier than the tea break. Generally works OK, but there are occasions where one captain wants to quit and the the other wants to play on. The main issue with finishing games early is that it makes it more difficult to get numbers back to your club for presentations.

[heater31]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts

There needs to be incentive to play a 2nd innings though and chase those outrights - what if you do everything right and fall a few runs short or a wicket short of an outright? All that hard work is for nothing if you aren't at least awarded bonus points, and teams would then start calling the game after the first innings - could see some very early finishes to games.

Then you introduce a rule that play must continue until 5pm where the captains must agree to call it off. Otherwise continue.

Grade cricket got rid of their 2nd innings points years ago, very rare that you got a sniff of an outright win by 5pm, unless they were absolute spuds.

ATCA C Grade comp does not have bonus points in second innings. Captains can agree to call the game off at the completion of first innings, so long as it is no earlier than the tea break. Generally works OK, but there are occasions where one captain wants to quit and the the other wants to play on. The main issue with finishing games early is that it makes it more difficult to get numbers back to your club for presentations.

Which is why it should be the last hour of play optional.

2 hours before scheduled stumps gives blokes opportunity to head home first, sit on the couch and forget to get back up in time to head to the club. At least with one hour it can sometimes take you that long to get there in the first place depending on who you are playing.

[The Old Fellow]

Thoughts on second innings bonus points? I like the idea that second innings runs/wickets bonus points should only be rewarded if the game is won outright.. Having to go and field for an hour on the second day of the game that has no chance of an outright result genuinely turns people off 2 day cricket, especially in B/C grades..

People will say all points count and what if it comes down to half a point in the race for finals, well I'd prefer the side who plays better first innings cricket be rewarded with finals than the side who got an extra point or 2 because they took some cheap dead rubber wickets at the end of day 2.. Just my thoughts[/quote]
There needs to be incentive to play a 2nd innings though and chase those outrights - what if you do everything right and fall a few runs short or a wicket short of an outright? All that hard work is for nothing if you aren't at least awarded bonus points, and teams would then start calling the game after the first innings - could see some very early finishes to games.[/quote]
Then you introduce a rule that play must continue until 5pm where the captains must agree to call it off. Otherwise continue.

Grade cricket got rid of their 2nd innings points years ago, very rare that you got a sniff of an outright win by 5pm, unless they were absolute spuds.
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So if you are making it compulsory to play until 5 when there is no chance of an outright, why not play until 6 and an opportunity may open up for an outright.

What you are saying if a first innings result is achieved at 4 play for another hour for nothing. Captains should have the right to call it when they want.

Fully support Zartan's comments

Just because SACA stopped second innings points except for an outright why do others have to follow suit. Not too many would say that the overall SACA set up is ideal. They need to get their own house in order and let the other associations and clubs set and play under their own rules.

[Computer Crashed]

System works fine for mine.
It ain't broke.