Grade Cricket

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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Wed May 27, 2020 11:40 am

Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed May 27, 2020 12:13 pm

The Hound wrote:Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's

That would be a better solution all round, especially considering the under 12's are starting to use a tennis ball and bowl under-arm at community level.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby the smokey » Wed May 27, 2020 1:54 pm

The Hound wrote:Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's



When is this looking at being implemented - this will be a small revenue hit to all clubs on junior subs and will then really rely on Grade clubs having strong relationships with their local ATCA clubs.
This could work but there will need to be a lot of communication between SACA and the other associations, which in the long run for cricket in the state would be a good thing.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Arch44 » Wed May 27, 2020 2:54 pm

the smokey wrote:
The Hound wrote:Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's



When is this looking at being implemented - this will be a small revenue hit to all clubs on junior subs and will then really rely on Grade clubs having strong relationships with their local ATCA clubs.
This could work but there will need to be a lot of communication between SACA and the other associations, which in the long run for cricket in the state would be a good thing.


Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Wed May 27, 2020 3:00 pm

Arch44 wrote:
the smokey wrote:
The Hound wrote:Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's



When is this looking at being implemented - this will be a small revenue hit to all clubs on junior subs and will then really rely on Grade clubs having strong relationships with their local ATCA clubs.
This could work but there will need to be a lot of communication between SACA and the other associations, which in the long run for cricket in the state would be a good thing.


Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.
Tough call for the clubs. Long term it needs to be done but is this the season to do it when financially it could be very tough for them?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby the smokey » Wed May 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.[/quote]Tough call for the clubs. Long term it needs to be done but is this the season to do it when financially it could be very tough for them?[/quote]

Agree on both points. If this does happen the grade comp and ATCA will need to align their seasons - I know there is always talk about it but to allow for players going from turf to grade on a game by game basis its the best way for it to work
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2014 » Wed May 27, 2020 3:18 pm

heater31 wrote:
Arch44 wrote:
the smokey wrote:
The Hound wrote:Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's



When is this looking at being implemented - this will be a small revenue hit to all clubs on junior subs and will then really rely on Grade clubs having strong relationships with their local ATCA clubs.
This could work but there will need to be a lot of communication between SACA and the other associations, which in the long run for cricket in the state would be a good thing.


Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.
Tough call for the clubs. Long term it needs to be done but is this the season to do it when financially it could be very tough for them?


Agree Heater, this is the right call and well overdue. But with money from SACA going to be halved at best, now less fees, less people around club, less money spent over bar, etc. Will be tough for most clubs. Maybe need to reduce number of clubs :D
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Wed May 27, 2020 3:21 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Arch44 wrote:
the smokey wrote:[quote="The Hound"]Word on the street the proposal is 4th Grade to go, both 16's and 14's to go and replaced with one Under 15 and one Under 17.
12's statewide to go with RSS being replaced with a Under 13 to be played on Saturday's



When is this looking at being implemented - this will be a small revenue hit to all clubs on junior subs and will then really rely on Grade clubs having strong relationships with their local ATCA clubs.
This could work but there will need to be a lot of communication between SACA and the other associations, which in the long run for cricket in the state would be a good thing.


Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.
Tough call for the clubs. Long term it needs to be done but is this the season to do it when financially it could be very tough for them?


Agree Heater, this is the right call and well overdue. But with money from SACA going to be halved at best, now less fees, less people around club, less money spent over bar, etc. Will be tough for most clubs. Maybe need to reduce number of clubs :D[/quote]Gets back to the age old question.....make sure clubs are strong and have a future. If the club is good in this regard and their neighbours are in a similar position then there is nothing to worry about [emoji6]
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Wed May 27, 2020 4:01 pm

Under 17s is a terrible idea

The better young players are already up in seniors anyway, playing against men as it should be

Grade cricket is meant to cater for the better cricketers, not to be a safety net for the 16 year olds who can't make C Grade. That's specifically what community cricket is for

The other major is issue is that Australian cricket is strong because of triangles. Wide base, getting pointier as you go up. Survival of the fittest. Best players progress. Cream rises.

It's not obvious at 11-12 years of age who is going to be the best cricketers. By 16-17 it is becoming more obvious. That means that you need more cricketers in the younger age groups and to trim the teams down as you go higher up.

Under 17s will be the worst level of junior cricket. The better players will be up in A/B/C Grade, plus you will lose some to school cricket AND it's an age group where players have started to drift out due to other sports, study, cars, jobs, girls.

It is the exact opposite of an elite pathway

That's not to say the current structure is right, but this change would suck balls.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Aeropti » Wed May 27, 2020 4:36 pm

U/17 would effectively replace D grade minus the couple of over 20's on most teams.

I think players can develop past 16 however i guess if they are really determined to play District cricket they will go to a turf club and dominate and try again in a season or two.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Minimum Chips » Wed May 27, 2020 4:38 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:Under 17s is a terrible idea

The better young players are already up in seniors anyway, playing against men as it should be

Grade cricket is meant to cater for the better cricketers, not to be a safety net for the 16 year olds who can't make C Grade. That's specifically what community cricket is for

The other major is issue is that Australian cricket is strong because of triangles. Wide base, getting pointier as you go up. Survival of the fittest. Best players progress. Cream rises.

It's not obvious at 11-12 years of age who is going to be the best cricketers. By 16-17 it is becoming more obvious. That means that you need more cricketers in the younger age groups and to trim the teams down as you go higher up.

Under 17s will be the worst level of junior cricket. The better players will be up in A/B/C Grade, plus you will lose some to school cricket AND it's an age group where players have started to drift out due to other sports, study, cars, jobs, girls.

It is the exact opposite of an elite pathway

That's not to say the current structure is right, but this change would suck balls.

Yep - not sure about the 17s either.

At least with the current (or possibly past) set up with the carnival you would at least get some of the better players available to lift the standard (recent years 17s playing A grade that played in 17s carnival and performed strongly would include Kelly x 2, Higgins, King, Carrington etc.). A Saturday comp would be weakened because of school cricket etc. as well as the better players already in seniors?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Wed May 27, 2020 4:40 pm

Voted by the clubs this Monday i reckon.[/quote]Tough call for the clubs. Long term it needs to be done but is this the season to do it when financially it could be very tough for them?[/quote]

Agree Heater, this is the right call and well overdue. But with money from SACA going to be halved at best, now less fees, less people around club, less money spent over bar, etc. Will be tough for most clubs. Maybe need to reduce number of clubs :D[/quote]

Don't forget less sponsorship $$ and some clubs may struggle, as well as some players hip pockets :lol:
Will be interesting to see who plays for the love of the club or love of the money. Could we some players return to their original club ;)
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby billy » Wed May 27, 2020 8:26 pm

It will be tough but changes are long overdue. Will force clubs to get themselves organised or they will fallover. SACA need to shake the tree .. clubs need to focus more on developing talent and use resources in the right places. U17's is tenuous .. probably could have all been grouped into a development grade and then 1st and 2nd grade. In the end 13 grade clubs in Adelaide won't work in Australia today.. ??!!

We don't have the resources to create quality club environments and these changes will enable us to improve standards at grade level. We don't need Redbacks League but we do need funding to reflect higher end programs to develop a better quality of cricketer.

Contracting Davis is very confusing .... he is a very good grade cricketer but it is crazy to think you can go from playing grade cricket in Adelaide to shield cricket and be successful at his age. It is just not going to happen. We need to be hungrier as a state .. we are bringing in guys from interstate with the lure of shield cricket .. why would we contract people like Davis .. they need to be thrown in the bucket together and the players who perform get to play. How you can get rid of Kelvin Smith and then contract Brad Davis and Bosisto in this environment is beyond me .. the players coming here from the Eastern States come with very good records .. why we need to be contracting players without a coach appointed is confusing .. which state was going to come after the players who have been contracted with all due respect .. !!??
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Wed May 27, 2020 10:28 pm

The core issue is too many grade clubs

This change is just circumventing it

Instead of fewer clubs we'll just make the 13 existing clubs smaller

Typical gutless SA Cricket.

Offer 10 Premier Grade Club licenses. Clubs have to make their case. Solved.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu May 28, 2020 10:03 am

Tony Clifton wrote:Under 17s is a terrible idea

The better young players are already up in seniors anyway, playing against men as it should be

Grade cricket is meant to cater for the better cricketers, not to be a safety net for the 16 year olds who can't make C Grade. That's specifically what community cricket is for

The other major is issue is that Australian cricket is strong because of triangles. Wide base, getting pointier as you go up. Survival of the fittest. Best players progress. Cream rises.

It's not obvious at 11-12 years of age who is going to be the best cricketers. By 16-17 it is becoming more obvious. That means that you need more cricketers in the younger age groups and to trim the teams down as you go higher up.

Under 17s will be the worst level of junior cricket. The better players will be up in A/B/C Grade, plus you will lose some to school cricket AND it's an age group where players have started to drift out due to other sports, study, cars, jobs, girls.

It is the exact opposite of an elite pathway

That's not to say the current structure is right, but this change would suck balls.

FWIW, Jason Gillespie was an OK 16/17 year old who bowled good swing but not a lot of pace, I'm not sure at what age he made his A Grade debut but I reckon he was playing C's and B's for a few years after 16's.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Fri May 29, 2020 2:23 pm

Clubs to discuss and ask questions on the comp restructure recommendations at June PCC meeting with a decision at July PCC meeting.
Already hearing 8/5 to remove 4th Grade.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm

Does anyone have roundabout figures for how much subs are for district clubs in comparison to ATCA clubs?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Corona Man » Fri May 29, 2020 3:21 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Does anyone have roundabout figures for how much subs are for district clubs in comparison to ATCA clubs?

I should know I paid for CM Juniors last season, I'm gonna say $300ish maybe $350 Approx for district that included playing & training shirts etc,,, new cap too I reckon
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Fri May 29, 2020 4:02 pm

Corona Man wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Does anyone have roundabout figures for how much subs are for district clubs in comparison to ATCA clubs?

I should know I paid for CM Juniors last season, I'm gonna say $300ish maybe $350 Approx for district that included playing & training shirts etc,,, new cap too I reckon
$350 is on the cheap side these days I think.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Bedge » Fri May 29, 2020 4:06 pm

Probably gonna sound bad.. but has Grade cricket lost its "prestige" and appeal to people?

I remember growing up, district cricket was like the pinnacle to reach - from Ray Sutton up.. now seems no one could give two hoots, and kids can get a better experience at their local turf club..

Made worse when grade clubs chase players on a Friday just to fill sides - reeks of desperation, and I've seen guys get gigs in 4th grade line-ups that wouldn't make a 4th grade PDCA club side.
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