Grade Cricket

[DOC]

At a guess Woodville to replace Prospect.

[Tony Clifton]

The Ladder and Run Home - Round 8

Kensington 140 (Pros / WT / Wood / Uni / ET)
West Torrens 120 (ND / Kens / Ad / TTG / SD)
University 100 (Port / St / SD / Kens / ND)
Port 100 (Uni / Ad / ND / St / Bye)

Sturt 80 (ET / Uni / Glen / Port / Wood)
TTG 70 (Bye / Glen / ET / WT / Pros)
Glenelg 70 (SD / TTG / St / Pros / Ad)
Prospect 55 (Kens / Wood / Bye / Glen / TTG)

Woodville 50 (Ad / Pros / Kens / ET / St)
East Torrens 45 (St / Bye / TTG / Wood / Kens)
Northern Districts 30 (WT / SD / PA / Ad / Uni)
Southern District 30 (Glen / ND / Uni / Bye / WT)
Adelaide 10 (Wood / Port / WT / ND / Glen)

Last year Northerns finished 9th on 100 points. The two years before that Adelaide and Sturt finished 9th on 95 points. Prior to that Woodville, West Torrens and East Torrens finished 8th, 9th and 10th on 95 points.

So it's looking likely you'll want to get over 100 points to be sure to qualify for Division 1 next season.

Usually you'd be thinking season over for the bottom 6 teams in terms of making finals - but plenty on the line, which makes every game interesting and every point valuable. Match of the round this week - Uni vs Port.

It's like English Premier League with the title, Champions League spots, Europa spots and relegation all on the table

Plenty of "Hail Mary" outright in the run home I'm tipping

[Gosaints]

SA will be happy they can recruit Johnson from interstate next season.

I think he will go to Queensland for three years with a red ball contract, so no they won't be getting him back unless there is a change in thinking from the people at the top.

If that's what people here are happy to support then so be it, my question to the whole organisation is what are your review processes and where is the documentation that shows you are answerable to your stakeholders , how have you responded to each part of the Hussey report?

That's cool, the proof is in outcomes. Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you can get up in the morning and look in the mirror, and say I have done the right thing by my people then we can all live with that.

The problem comes in when your assessments, are the result of outdated and antiquated thinking about young people and their development. When you don't do the work and don't listen to or even know about the research, and therefore there is no improvement in what you are doing.

Poor culture is when you are dishonest with players and their management. When you break trust you will not get it back, people work hard to be the best they can, whether they are from here or other states. Effective communication is everything.

A direct outcome of poor communication is when player management no longer sees SA as a destination because of your coaching and communication/management practices.

I personally would prefer that the head of selection, lives in the state and that every selector attends grade games every Saturday.

SACA have made their bed and are lying in it, after 41 seasons of failing to win a shield the general public are entitled to ask - what is wrong with your culture that this has become an annual event ?

Blaming grade cricket is more of the same, excuses and discounting at every turn. Yes you will get a stronger first grade, no rocket science there.
But how are you at SACA going to improve what you do with the players when you get them?

I agree with everything written here.

The only thing more stupid is when some ego driven grade clubs embrace the same approach looking for easy outcomes rather than planning for success.

[Gosaints]

so the journey to a dysfunctional cricket system in SA continues.

clubs will spend up big on interstate recruits at the expense of investing in club pathways/coaching, as there is only so much money to go around.

when the money runs out there are no locals, no volunteers and many juniors have found better things to do in summer.

well done! - at least there are 8 clubs in 1st division and everybody in the saca high performance area keeps their jobs regardless of their performance.

muppets

I think some clubs have been outsmarted by the saca with this. They provided enough rope.

all on black....came up red!

[billy]

so the journey to a dysfunctional cricket system in SA continues.

clubs will spend up big on interstate recruits at the expense of investing in club pathways/coaching, as there is only so much money to go around.

when the money runs out there are no locals, no volunteers and many juniors have found better things to do in summer.

well done! - at least there are 8 clubs in 1st division and everybody in the saca high performance area keeps their jobs regardless of their performance.

muppets

I think some clubs have been outsmarted by the saca with this. They provided enough rope.

all on black....came up red!

I am not sure I would use the word 'outsmarted'

Ultimately SACA were able to have 2 divisions, they gave clubs the opportunity to sort themselves out to the best of their ability.

We needed an eight team first grade competition to improve the standard, and to improve access to coaching resources.
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**** The current process where 2 teams will be replaced at the end of the season is the height of incompetence, they need to play finals with the bottom 2 from division 1 against the top 2 from division 2 to sort out the promotion/relegation for the next season.
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4th grade is a waste of resources, third grade needs to be replaced by an Under 18 competition.

The junior program has way too many grades - let them play in individual competitions in under 13 and under 15 with one team each.

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The connection between this restructure(which needs to happen) and the performance/culture of the Redbacks etc is very loose at best.

[Insider_Trading]

The gods were definitely not shining on the One Day competition this season

[Armchair expert]

Sturt rolled for 33

[Aerie]

Given SACA have set a precedent of replaying Abandoned matches, you’d presume they’ll need to replay the two games abandoned today?

[Insider_Trading]

The semi finals are scheduled for next Sunday

But in theory: absolutely they should be re scheduled.

[Aerie]

Northern Districts chase down 314 in the last over to qualify for One Day Finals.

Presuming this competition goes by Pts Avg and then by NRR (Play HQ lists the ladder in Quotient Order) - if they give 7.5 points to the 3 games abandoned today:

Semi Finals would be Port vs TTG and Kensington vs Northern Districts.

If they replay today's washouts and push the semi and final back a week:

Port, Kensington and Northerns are still guaranteed a finals place. If Tea Tree Gully were to defeat Southern District, they'd be guaranteed a finals spot, with position depending on NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully were to lose and West Torrens were to beat Woodville, West Torrens would likely take over their position in the 4 due to superior NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens were to lose, Tea Tree Gully would have to hope their NRR would remain above Glenelg to keep 4th spot.

[The Bedge]

Tough day for Jets 2's

[The Hound]

4th grade is a waste of resources, third grade needs to be replaced by an Under 18 competition.

The junior program has way too many grades - let them play in individual competitions in under 13 and under 15 with one team each.

Agree with the 4th grade, unfortunately been on the decline for a couple of season and not sure how it develops your younger players coming through.

Agree with changing 3rd grade but as an under 19 competition with the proviso that you can play up to 3-4 overage players, this will cover your older players who would still like to be involved with a PC club and passing on there knowledge.

1 x 13's, 1 x 15's aligns with National age groups. Your better 17/18 year olds are playing 1st/2nd grade anyway.

The above suggestions would also assist the umpire department with numbers and allocation.

[Gosaints]

so the journey to a dysfunctional cricket system in SA continues.

clubs will spend up big on interstate recruits at the expense of investing in club pathways/coaching, as there is only so much money to go around.

when the money runs out there are no locals, no volunteers and many juniors have found better things to do in summer.

well done! - at least there are 8 clubs in 1st division and everybody in the saca high performance area keeps their jobs regardless of their performance.

muppets

I think some clubs have been outsmarted by the saca with this. They provided enough rope.

all on black....came up red!

I am not sure I would use the word 'outsmarted'

Ultimately SACA were able to have 2 divisions, they gave clubs the opportunity to sort themselves out to the best of their ability.

We needed an eight team first grade competition to improve the standard, and to improve access to coaching resources.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**** The current process where 2 teams will be replaced at the end of the season is the height of incompetence, they need to play finals with the bottom 2 from division 1 against the top 2 from division 2 to sort out the promotion/relegation for the next season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4th grade is a waste of resources, third grade needs to be replaced by an Under 18 competition.

The junior program has way too many grades - let them play in individual competitions in under 13 and under 15 with one team each.

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The connection between this restructure(which needs to happen) and the performance/culture of the Redbacks etc is very loose at best.

yes, a very ordinary arrangement when poor performing clubs over an extended period can just hand out buckets of cash for 1 season and be rewarded with division 1, if they make the 8!

culture. now there is a word.

[Bluedemon]

4th grade is a waste of resources, third grade needs to be replaced by an Under 18 competition.

The junior program has way too many grades - let them play in individual competitions in under 13 and under 15 with one team each.

Agree with the 4th grade, unfortunately been on the decline for a couple of season and not sure how it develops your younger players coming through.

Agree with changing 3rd grade but as an under 19 competition with the proviso that you can play up to 3-4 overage players, this will cover your older players who would still like to be involved with a PC club and passing on there knowledge.

1 x 13's, 1 x 15's aligns with National age groups. Your better 17/18 year olds are playing 1st/2nd grade anyway.

The above suggestions would also assist the umpire department with numbers and allocation.

And if goes back to one junior team for each grade club, they can align better with some community clubs to help them grow and use the excess players each week.

[Insider_Trading]

Northern Districts chase down 314 in the last over to qualify for One Day Finals.

Presuming this competition goes by Pts Avg and then by NRR (Play HQ lists the ladder in Quotient Order) - if they give 7.5 points to the 3 games abandoned today:

Semi Finals would be Port vs TTG and Kensington vs Northern Districts.

If they replay today's washouts and push the semi and final back a week:

Port, Kensington and Northerns are still guaranteed a finals place. If Tea Tree Gully were to defeat Southern District, they'd be guaranteed a finals spot, with position depending on NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully were to lose and West Torrens were to beat Woodville, West Torrens would likely take over their position in the 4 due to superior NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens were to lose, Tea Tree Gully would have to hope their NRR would remain above Glenelg to keep 4th spot.

Semi finals have been set by the looks of it
Kensington v Tea Tree Gully
Port Adelaide v Northern Districts

[Insider_Trading]

so the journey to a dysfunctional cricket system in SA continues.

clubs will spend up big on interstate recruits at the expense of investing in club pathways/coaching, as there is only so much money to go around.

when the money runs out there are no locals, no volunteers and many juniors have found better things to do in summer.

well done! - at least there are 8 clubs in 1st division and everybody in the saca high performance area keeps their jobs regardless of their performance.

muppets

I think some clubs have been outsmarted by the saca with this. They provided enough rope.

all on black....came up red!

I am not sure I would use the word 'outsmarted'

Ultimately SACA were able to have 2 divisions, they gave clubs the opportunity to sort themselves out to the best of their ability.

We needed an eight team first grade competition to improve the standard, and to improve access to coaching resources.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**** The current process where 2 teams will be replaced at the end of the season is the height of incompetence, they need to play finals with the bottom 2 from division 1 against the top 2 from division 2 to sort out the promotion/relegation for the next season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4th grade is a waste of resources, third grade needs to be replaced by an Under 18 competition.

The junior program has way too many grades - let them play in individual competitions in under 13 and under 15 with one team each.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The connection between this restructure(which needs to happen) and the performance/culture of the Redbacks etc is very loose at best.

yes, a very ordinary arrangement when poor performing clubs over an extended period can just hand out buckets of cash for 1 season and be rewarded with division 1, if they make the 8!

culture. now there is a word.

The issue here though, is they fork out money. Get into division 1.
You beauty how good.

Everyone being paid leaves to go home.
Now left to local players.
Team loses
End up back in division 2.

Let the cycle begin again.
When you have promotion/relegation, it's no guarantee of staying anywhere. The sugar rush of being in Division 1 for the first season eventually will run out for some teams.

[Aerie]

Northern Districts chase down 314 in the last over to qualify for One Day Finals.

Presuming this competition goes by Pts Avg and then by NRR (Play HQ lists the ladder in Quotient Order) - if they give 7.5 points to the 3 games abandoned today:

EDIT: 0 points are awarded for abandoned games, so TTG, Port, Kens and ND all 15 Pts Avg.

Semi Finals would be Port vs TTG and Kensington vs Northern Districts.

If they replay today's washouts and push the semi and final back a week:

Port, Kensington and Northerns are still guaranteed a finals place. If Tea Tree Gully were to defeat Southern District, they'd be guaranteed a finals spot, with position depending on NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully were to lose and West Torrens were to beat Woodville, West Torrens would likely take over their position in the 4 due to superior NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens were to lose, Tea Tree Gully would have to hope their NRR would remain above Glenelg to keep 4th spot.

Semi finals have been set by the looks of it
Kensington v Tea Tree Gully
Port Adelaide v Northern Districts

I wonder how they work it out? It is clear as mud in this bylaws document: https://www.sacapremiercricket.com.au/_ ... fb87c5.pdf

On Page 44 it says, under the title of Men's West End One Day Cup:
272. If two (2) or more teams are equal on points at the end of the Minor Round, the team with the higher quotient shall occupy the higher relative position (see Bylaw 319 for the method of determining the quotient).

Then on Page 51 it says, under the title of Minor Round Positions:
321. In the Men's West End One-Day Cup, Under 18 Shield, Men's West End Twenty20, Junior Twenty20 and Women's 1st and 2nd Grade Twenty20 if two (2) or more teams gain the same number of premiership points, their relative positions shall be determined by Net Run Rate.

And then on Page 43 regarding abandoned games:
264. In matches other than the West End One-Day Cup or West End Twenty20 Cup, only matches in Grades in which the round was totally abandoned shall be rescheduled.
265. In West End One-Day Cup or West End Twenty20 Cup matches, any abandoned Minor Round match may be rescheduled.

Here is the ladder on PlayHQ:
*Tea Tree Gully / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.860 Quotient / 1.402 Net Run Rate
Port Adelaide / 3 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.829 Quotient / 2.116 Net Run Rate
Kensington / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.452 Quotient / 1.905 Net Run Rate
Northern Districts / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.055 Quotient / 0.282 Net Run Rate

Sturt / 3 games played / 10 Pts Avg / 1.182 Quotient / -0.512 Net Run Rate
Glenelg / 3 games played / 10 Pts Avg / 1.120 Quotient / 0.542 Net Run Rate
*West Torrens / 2 games played / 7.5 Pts Avg / 1.835 Quotient / 1.788 Net Run Rate

*Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens both had abandoned games in Round 3, which under the ByLaws above, could be replayed. If Tea Tree Gully were to lose, the Pts Avg could drop to 10 and if West Torrens were to win, the Points Avg could raise to 10.

So, depending on which bylaw they take on (272 or 321), Sturt, Glenelg and West Torrens should be requesting the abandoned matches be replayed as they could still make finals.

And which rule is it regarding Quotient or Net Run Rate to determine ladder position? It looks like they have decided it is Net Run Rate based on the Semi Finals Fixtured - however ladders online have it as Quotient. According to the Bylaws, they're both right and both wrong!

If I was a cynical person, I'd be wondering if SACA Premier Cricket administrators should be the ones facing relegation.

[Shark_Hunter]

Northern Districts chase down 314 in the last over to qualify for One Day Finals.

Presuming this competition goes by Pts Avg and then by NRR (Play HQ lists the ladder in Quotient Order) - if they give 7.5 points to the 3 games abandoned today:

EDIT: 0 points are awarded for abandoned games, so TTG, Port, Kens and ND all 15 Pts Avg.

Semi Finals would be Port vs TTG and Kensington vs Northern Districts.

If they replay today's washouts and push the semi and final back a week:

Port, Kensington and Northerns are still guaranteed a finals place. If Tea Tree Gully were to defeat Southern District, they'd be guaranteed a finals spot, with position depending on NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully were to lose and West Torrens were to beat Woodville, West Torrens would likely take over their position in the 4 due to superior NRR.

If Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens were to lose, Tea Tree Gully would have to hope their NRR would remain above Glenelg to keep 4th spot.

Semi finals have been set by the looks of it
Kensington v Tea Tree Gully
Port Adelaide v Northern Districts

I wonder how they work it out? It is clear as mud in this bylaws document: https://www.sacapremiercricket.com.au/_ ... fb87c5.pdf

On Page 44 it says, under the title of Men's West End One Day Cup:
272. If two (2) or more teams are equal on points at the end of the Minor Round, the team with the higher quotient shall occupy the higher relative position (see Bylaw 319 for the method of determining the quotient).

Then on Page 51 it says, under the title of Minor Round Positions:
321. In the Men's West End One-Day Cup, Under 18 Shield, Men's West End Twenty20, Junior Twenty20 and Women's 1st and 2nd Grade Twenty20 if two (2) or more teams gain the same number of premiership points, their relative positions shall be determined by Net Run Rate.

And then on Page 43 regarding abandoned games:
264. In matches other than the West End One-Day Cup or West End Twenty20 Cup, only matches in Grades in which the round was totally abandoned shall be rescheduled.
265. In West End One-Day Cup or West End Twenty20 Cup matches, any abandoned Minor Round match may be rescheduled.

Here is the ladder on PlayHQ:
*Tea Tree Gully / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.860 Quotient / 1.402 Net Run Rate
Port Adelaide / 3 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.829 Quotient / 2.116 Net Run Rate
Kensington / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.452 Quotient / 1.905 Net Run Rate
Northern Districts / 2 games played / 15 Pts Avg / 1.055 Quotient / 0.282 Net Run Rate

Sturt / 3 games played / 10 Pts Avg / 1.182 Quotient / -0.512 Net Run Rate
Glenelg / 3 games played / 10 Pts Avg / 1.120 Quotient / 0.542 Net Run Rate
*West Torrens / 2 games played / 7.5 Pts Avg / 1.835 Quotient / 1.788 Net Run Rate

*Tea Tree Gully and West Torrens both had abandoned games in Round 3, which under the ByLaws above, could be replayed. If Tea Tree Gully were to lose, the Pts Avg could drop to 10 and if West Torrens were to win, the Points Avg could raise to 10.

So, depending on which bylaw they take on (272 or 321), Sturt, Glenelg and West Torrens should be requesting the abandoned matches be replayed as they could still make finals.

And which rule is it regarding Quotient or Net Run Rate to determine ladder position? It looks like they have decided it is Net Run Rate based on the Semi Finals Fixtured - however ladders online have it as Quotient. According to the Bylaws, they're both right and both wrong!

If I was a cynical person, I'd be wondering if SACA Premier Cricket administrators should be the ones facing relegation.

To be fair on SACA, the Bylaws are actually on the PCC and the Bylaws subcommittee. Having spent plenty of time reading through them over the years, it seems they have been updated and edited so many times there are plenty of contradictions and out-of-date clauses, There is probably a need to start from scratch and rewrite them all, and perhaps that is something SACA admin needs to look as as PCC volunteers are not in the best place to do this well.

[Aerie]

The Ladder and Run Home - Round 9

Kensington 170 (WT / Wood / Uni / ET)
West Torrens 120 (Kens / Ad / TTG / SD)
Port 120 (Ad / ND / St / Bye)
University 100 (St / SD / Kens / ND)

Glenelg 100 (TTG / St / Pros / Ad)
Woodville 80 (Pros / Kens / ET / St)
Sturt 80 (Uni / Glen / Port / Wood)
East Torrens 75* (Bye / TTG / Wood / Kens)

TTG 70 (Glen / ET / WT / Pros)
Prospect 55 (Wood / Bye / Glen / TTG)
Northern Districts 50 (SD / PA / Ad / Uni)
Southern District 30 (ND / Uni / Bye / WT)
Adelaide 10 (Port / WT / ND / Glen)

*unconfirmed

Kensington def Prospect outright (Prospect declare 8 down on 1st Innings)
Glenelg def Southerns outright
Woodville defeat Adelaide outright
I presume East Torrens defeated Sturt outright?
Northerns defeated West Torrens
Port def University

Some big movement on the ladder! Kensington miles ahead now and an opportunity to sew up top spot against West Torrens next week. Finals still a possibility for the next 8 teams. Northerns, who have beaten the 2nd side and just loss to the top side keep their chances of staying in Div 1 alive.

[Tony Clifton]

Four outright results out of six games

Two divisions can't come in quick enough