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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm

Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.
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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:33 pm

Trader wrote:Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.
Must be a heap of 20/20 instead?
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:53 pm

Trader wrote:Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.

So, are you saying we start on 6 October 2018 and have Semi Finals on 23/24 March 2019 and Grand Finals on 30/31 March 2019. That leaves 20 Saturdays for cricket. 9 x 2 Day games and 2 x 1 Day games. Are you sure?
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:58 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
Trader wrote:Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.

So, are you saying we start on 6 October 2018 and have Semi Finals on 23/24 March 2019 and Grand Finals on 30/31 March 2019. That leaves 20 Saturdays for cricket. 9 x 2 Day games and 2 x 1 Day games. Are you sure?


I understand that is the proposal, yes.
1 dayers on the 1st of december and 16th of march.

IF you have a look at the survey the turf put out, this 20 week season is indirectly mentioned:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZGBW77B

Q1 Part C
Recent conversations has resulted with suggestions for the C’ grade competition to be an 8 team competition where the clubs will play a home and away fixture based on 7 x two day matches and 7 x one day matches. In considering such a change it is important to remember we need 21 weeks of cricket each season to enable this to happen which will require dispensing with the semi-final round and only play a grand final between the 2 top teams.


I'm not overly happy about it to be honest.
I understand why we aren't playing on Dec 29th, but the other 3 dates are prime weekends for cricket.

Clubs were asked to vote previously and voted that we only had the test match weekend off if it was an ashes year, no idea why that hasn't been followed this season.
Last year we played on Jan 6th, this year jan 5th we don't
We've always played Australia day weekend, this year we aren't?

I get that everyone isn't super keen to play cricket every weekend, but why are those that want to be playing cricket watering down their opportunities to play just to appease those that aren't actually that keen to play.
We do the same with the watering down of the C1-C3 comps (no second innings points, captains can call the game off at tea on day 2, etc), and I don't agree with it.

Turf cricket gets washed out due to rain, not only on Saturday but also if it rains on Thursday or Friday (and sometimes even Wednesday can knock it out). In Adelaide we also lose weekends under heat policies. Now we are choosing to remove a further 3 weekends just to keep those "not that keen" playing the game.
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Re: ATCA

Postby daysofourlives » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:40 pm

Trader wrote:
Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
Trader wrote:Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.

So, are you saying we start on 6 October 2018 and have Semi Finals on 23/24 March 2019 and Grand Finals on 30/31 March 2019. That leaves 20 Saturdays for cricket. 9 x 2 Day games and 2 x 1 Day games. Are you sure?


I understand that is the proposal, yes.
1 dayers on the 1st of december and 16th of march.

IF you have a look at the survey the turf put out, this 20 week season is indirectly mentioned:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZGBW77B

Q1 Part C
Recent conversations has resulted with suggestions for the C’ grade competition to be an 8 team competition where the clubs will play a home and away fixture based on 7 x two day matches and 7 x one day matches. In considering such a change it is important to remember we need 21 weeks of cricket each season to enable this to happen which will require dispensing with the semi-final round and only play a grand final between the 2 top teams.


I'm not overly happy about it to be honest.
I understand why we aren't playing on Dec 29th, but the other 3 dates are prime weekends for cricket.

Clubs were asked to vote previously and voted that we only had the test match weekend off if it was an ashes year, no idea why that hasn't been followed this season.
Last year we played on Jan 6th, this year jan 5th we don't
We've always played Australia day weekend, this year we aren't?

I get that everyone isn't super keen to play cricket every weekend, but why are those that want to be playing cricket watering down their opportunities to play just to appease those that aren't actually that keen to play.
We do the same with the watering down of the C1-C3 comps (no second innings points, captains can call the game off at tea on day 2, etc), and I don't agree with it.

Turf cricket gets washed out due to rain, not only on Saturday but also if it rains on Thursday or Friday (and sometimes even Wednesday can knock it out). In Adelaide we also lose weekends under heat policies. Now we are choosing to remove a further 3 weekends just to keep those "not that keen" playing the game.


Great post, sums up my beliefs perferctly
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Re: ATCA

Postby Brumbies » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:42 pm

Trader wrote:
Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
Trader wrote:Yup, no play on the 8th of December due to the test.
Play a 2-dayer on the 15th and 22nd.
Then rest on BOTH the 29th of Dec and the 5th of Jan.
Play a 2-dayer on the 12th and 19th Jan.
Then rest again on the 26th for Australia day.
Then get back into it in Feb.

So 2 games in 62 days from December 2nd through to Feb 1st.

So, are you saying we start on 6 October 2018 and have Semi Finals on 23/24 March 2019 and Grand Finals on 30/31 March 2019. That leaves 20 Saturdays for cricket. 9 x 2 Day games and 2 x 1 Day games. Are you sure?


I understand that is the proposal, yes.
1 dayers on the 1st of december and 16th of march.

IF you have a look at the survey the turf put out, this 20 week season is indirectly mentioned:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZGBW77B

Q1 Part C
Recent conversations has resulted with suggestions for the C’ grade competition to be an 8 team competition where the clubs will play a home and away fixture based on 7 x two day matches and 7 x one day matches. In considering such a change it is important to remember we need 21 weeks of cricket each season to enable this to happen which will require dispensing with the semi-final round and only play a grand final between the 2 top teams.


I'm not overly happy about it to be honest.
I understand why we aren't playing on Dec 29th, but the other 3 dates are prime weekends for cricket.

Clubs were asked to vote previously and voted that we only had the test match weekend off if it was an ashes year, no idea why that hasn't been followed this season.
Last year we played on Jan 6th, this year jan 5th we don't
We've always played Australia day weekend, this year we aren't?

I get that everyone isn't super keen to play cricket every weekend, but why are those that want to be playing cricket watering down their opportunities to play just to appease those that aren't actually that keen to play.
We do the same with the watering down of the C1-C3 comps (no second innings points, captains can call the game off at tea on day 2, etc), and I don't agree with it.

Turf cricket gets washed out due to rain, not only on Saturday but also if it rains on Thursday or Friday (and sometimes even Wednesday can knock it out). In Adelaide we also lose weekends under heat policies. Now we are choosing to remove a further 3 weekends just to keep those "not that keen" playing the game.


The T20 Round of 16 matches are scheduled for Jan 5.

The Limited Overs Comp don't play on Jan 12 either, so they only play on 3 out of 8 weekends from early December to early February.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 pm

Yup, 1 week in all of January for the LOs this season. And we know the LOs will have byes in their comp, always do. So there will be a team in most LO grades that don't play between the 22nd of December and February.
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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:17 pm

The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Brumbies » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:27 pm

heater31 wrote:The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.


Holiday is on the Monday so still a long weekend.
But still should be playing.

Play on the 26th which allows Round 11 to be a 2 day match OR keep Round 11 as a one day match and bring the finals forward 1 week.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:01 pm

Exactly.
When you consider the issues last year when the vast majority of semi finals were weather affected, it seems crazy that we’ve pushed the finals back a week AND reduced the season by a game.

I’d play both Jan 5 (the fact that we expect people to be available for Rd of 16 T20s means this isn’t too early, so let’s all play and keep the T20s on Tuesday nights) and Jan 26 (we’ve always played this weekend), giving you two options:

1) Rd 11 becomes a 2 day game, and bring the finals forward a week, or
2) have Oct 6th off when wash outs are likely (and gives footballers an extra week break) deleting the 1 dayer before Xmas, ans picking up the extra round after the break.

The second option seems the best to me, and maintains a 1 dayer leading into finals to prevent the contrived outrights.

Oct 6 - no play
Oct 13&20 - Rd 1
Oct 27 and Nov 3 - Rd 2
Nov 10&17 - Rd 3
Nov 24 and Dec 1 - Rd 4
Dec 8 - test match, no cricket
Dec 15&22 - Rd 5
Dec 29 - Xmas break
Jan 5&12 - Rd 6
Jan 19&26 - Rd 7
Feb 2&9 - Rd 8
Feb 16&23 - Rd 9
Mar 2&9 - Rd 10
Mar 16 - Rd 11 (1 day game)
Mar 23&24 - Semi Finals
Mar 30&31 - Grand Finals

Also, with no official games on Oct 6th, it makes it easier for those clubs that want to have an internal trial before the season proper starts!
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:45 pm

Presumably the player survey had the majority in favour of having those three weekends off?

Just because some people want to go to the test match or have a decent break over Christmas doesn't mean they aren't keen on playing cricket. A sensible program where the association has listened to the players means that people will be willing to play for more seasons.

Ammo footballers all just had the Queen's birthday off!
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:11 am

Footballers don't get heat out and wash outs during the season as well.

And no, they didn't ask players if we wanted 3 extra weekends off this season, they just made the decision themselves and failed to highlight it in the proposed program.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:44 am

That's strange. So what was in the survey?

By 'they' do you mean the clubs?
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:17 pm

Nah, "they" the association.

The survey was a range of potential rule tweaks, like going to 60 over days in the C1 and C2 comps instead of the current 72, which is already down from 80 that A1-B3 play.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:22 pm

Trader wrote:Nah, "they" the association.

The survey was a range of potential rule tweaks, like going to 60 over days in the C1 and C2 comps instead of the current 72, which is already down from 80 that A1-B3 play.

Ah ok fair enough. Quite bit different to what I assumed sorry.

I'd have thought at the AGM they'd go through these potential dates and clubs could vote yay or nay as to whether they play those weekends. Also vote for start date and end date.

Then ATCA drafts the program based on those results.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:50 pm

Unfortunately at turf level, a lot of clubs aren't exactly proactive. A lot (not all, some are very good) of delegates are there because they have to be, not because they want to take an active interest in the direction of the association. As a result, we get in these situations where complaints are highlighted, positives ignored and everything gets watered down because 1 person complained about 1 thing.

eg: a delegate mentions "Our club had troubles fielding a side first week back after the xmas break", now the association delays the return by a week.
another club "we had 4 kids go on a Australia day weekend up the river, filling our side was hard", now the association pulls all games that weekend.
a third club "we have 15 players who are SACA members and want to get pissed at the test rather than play" so now we have that weekend off too.

Don't get me wrong, running the association is not only a thankless job, you also do it with very little assistance, but right now, I'm concerned the association is looking at the complaints a little too much, rather than focusing on the core objective; playing cricket.

There are probably parallels to wider society in the above, but that's a chat for another day.
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Re: ATCA

Postby get a grip » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:17 pm

heater31 wrote:The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.


The last time Australia Day fell on a Saturday was 2013 and there was no cricket that weekend either
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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:13 pm

get a grip wrote:
heater31 wrote:The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.


The last time Australia Day fell on a Saturday was 2013 and there was no cricket that weekend either
SACA played that day in 2013.
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Re: ATCA

Postby get a grip » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:19 pm

heater31 wrote:
get a grip wrote:
heater31 wrote:The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.


The last time Australia Day fell on a Saturday was 2013 and there was no cricket that weekend either
SACA played that day in 2013.


sorry mate, thought I was on an ATCA page.
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Re: ATCA

Postby heater31 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:27 pm

get a grip wrote:
heater31 wrote:
get a grip wrote:
heater31 wrote:The Jan 26 is baffling, no long weekend so should be playing.


The last time Australia Day fell on a Saturday was 2013 and there was no cricket that weekend either
SACA played that day in 2013.


sorry mate, thought I was on an ATCA page.
Yeah you are.....just highlighting the fact that SACA played that weekend.
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