PDCA

[Lightning McQueen]

It's not the actual draw side that would prove the difficulty - its if you had separate comps for each format that would prove the most challenging to keep equitable and cover ground usage etc.

Also what happens with teams that want to participate in one dayers or T20's, but not 2 day cricket? How do you manage that? End up like it is now with a separate LO comp? I'd be supportive of a separate winner for each format, but not a promotion/relegation system for each format.. too bloody hard.

Start the LO's a couple of weeks later, play all the 2 dayers as the first 5 rounds as they are the weeks that are less likely to be heated out or weather to go from one extreme to the other, have a couple of non-playing weeks for the LO's spasmodically throughout the season too.

I just think it would be good if say for instance a team that has exceptional T20 abilities but not so in the longer version skills still be rewarded by being in the highest grade.

There are certain pitfalls as it is when clubs like Smithfield have a 2 day and a LO team, would make programming easier if they had even numbers in each, Grades 4 and 5 have been hard to follow as they have extra 1 dayers etc. not like the traditional programming.

[The Bedge]

Yeah nah.

[Lightning McQueen]

Yeah nah.

I'm bored.

[whufc]

Lol you clearly dont put draws together LM
I like the idea of 6 team grades, id go 2 down 2 up though, if you dont make finals see ya later, overtime it would be such a big issue being relegated as you are a good chance to come straight back up.

Yeah separate comps for each format is too difficult, I agree 2 up, 2 down - also means you get to face a series of different teams over the years instead of the same old same old.

It not as difficult as it once was.

I have run 10 different competitions that run over 7 days with over 250 teams over 2 stadiums for the last couple of years.

There is many different computer programs that will spit these draws out in minutes, only issue is finding the program that suits your needs,

The system I use is Fixi it is brilliant for social sports which have large numbers of teams over a small amount of venues (this system wouldn't be suited to pdca needs but there would be others that are) I can literally create an even 'perfect draw' for 32 teams in less than hour (the time it takes to enter the teams details in the system, enter the timeslots available, enter the venues, enter any links between teams eg team 1 can only play at a different venue to team 23 etc)

Yes there is an expense to these systems, we pay 500 a year to use.

A quick google search suggest mycricket has such a feature available.

https://mycricketsupport.cricket.com.au ... aw-Fixture

[The Bedge]

It not as difficult as it once was.

I have run 10 different competitions that run over 7 days with over 250 teams over 2 stadiums for the last couple of years.

There is many different computer programs that will spit these draws out in minutes, only issue is finding the program that suits your needs,

The system I use is Fixi it is brilliant for social sports which have large numbers of teams over a small amount of venues (this system wouldn't be suited to pdca needs but there would be others that are) I can literally create an even 'perfect draw' for 32 teams in less than hour (the time it takes to enter the teams details in the system, enter the timeslots available, enter the venues, enter any links between teams eg team 1 can only play at a different venue to team 23 etc)

Yes there is an expense to these systems, we pay 500 a year to use.

A quick google search suggest mycricket has such a feature available.

https://mycricketsupport.cricket.com.au ... aw-Fixture

Huge difference between creating competitions/fixtures that utilise the same venue (or two venues) and creating fixtures that utilise multiple venues though.

Mycricket does allow for fixture generation, but isn't the best, and is quite fiddly with multiple sides because you have to seed each side and they pair up to share the same venue but the difficulty comes when you have different sides in different grades. Then where the LO's are 8 teams, the pairing doesn't work either. Kind of hard to explain lol, but the lower you go down the grades, the harder it becomes to pair up the clubs with their A grade sides.

Pairs:
1 v 2
3 v 4
5 v 6

[The Bedge]

I admit it would be a lot easier if all grades were the same number of teams, with same fixture setup and each A/B or C/D had their own ground.

[whufc]

I agree social sports and a pdca are completely different.

Without doing any re-search I'm 400% sure there would be a computer system which can cater for clubs at multiple grounds etc. Essentially with any sporting computer system you create you any amount of venues that you need and then you align what ever teams you need to.

Most systems now have very in depth ability to link clubs and grounds. The system we use allows us to create as many venues as we would like and link as many teams to each individual venue as we need to (it also has options around setting criteria's etc)

I'm not saying its not hard work but is definitely far from impossible and there is systems out there.

I honestly believe even the social sport computer system we use would have the capacity to create the PDCA fixtures, if only I had a whole weekend with beers to have a crack at it.

[Dogwatcher]

Lol you clearly dont put draws together LM

I actually did when Frank Carter passed away.

Whoops.

[whufc]

I think we need to appreciate that no matter what way its done it is not an 'easy' task and very rarely will 100% correct.

I think we all appreciate as well these people are volunteers and generally make the best effort they can.

I'm with LM in that I think in an absolute perfect world separate 2Day/OD/T20 comps with separate relegation etc would add some serious excitement to the competition but accept it may be a bit out of an amateur leagues ability to create.

My biggest gripe with PDCA is honestly the point scoring system especially in the lower grades. Way to big an advantage for teams playing on smaller, quicker ovals etc with their ability to pick up high amounts of bonus points through being on a high scoring ground.

[The Bedge]

My biggest gripe with PDCA is honestly the point scoring system especially in the lower grades. Way to big an advantage for teams playing on smaller, quicker ovals etc with their ability to pick up high amounts of bonus points through being on a high scoring ground.

Interesting one, I've always thought the lower grades, most the sides seem to play on postage stamps

[daysofourlives]

It not as difficult as it once was.

I have run 10 different competitions that run over 7 days with over 250 teams over 2 stadiums for the last couple of years.

There is many different computer programs that will spit these draws out in minutes, only issue is finding the program that suits your needs,

The system I use is Fixi it is brilliant for social sports which have large numbers of teams over a small amount of venues (this system wouldn't be suited to pdca needs but there would be others that are) I can literally create an even 'perfect draw' for 32 teams in less than hour (the time it takes to enter the teams details in the system, enter the timeslots available, enter the venues, enter any links between teams eg team 1 can only play at a different venue to team 23 etc)

Yes there is an expense to these systems, we pay 500 a year to use.

A quick google search suggest mycricket has such a feature available.

https://mycricketsupport.cricket.com.au ... aw-Fixture

Huge difference between creating competitions/fixtures that utilise the same venue (or two venues) and creating fixtures that utilise multiple venues though.

Mycricket does allow for fixture generation, but isn't the best, and is quite fiddly with multiple sides because you have to seed each side and they pair up to share the same venue but the difficulty comes when you have different sides in different grades. Then where the LO's are 8 teams, the pairing doesn't work either. Kind of hard to explain lol, but the lower you go down the grades, the harder it becomes to pair up the clubs with their A grade sides.

Pairs:
1 v 2
3 v 4
5 v 6

Mycricket doesntt allow to do 6 team grades across multiple grades sharing venues. also cant do draws where say the A grade side is in 2 day fixtures and the b grade side is in one day fixtures. Its a very limited program and very basic

[daysofourlives]

Lol you clearly dont put draws together LM

I actually did when Frank Carter passed away.

Whoops.

Well no its not a whoops, what LM was suggesting would be an absolute nightmare to try and do with different teams in each competition and relegation promotion for each. Also as WHUFC said there is probably programs out there that do it but mycricket is not friendly to 6 team grades, only 7-12 team grades can be programmed in conjunction with other grades. Two day and one day cricket sharing venues cant be done.
Even if you were to find a program you would probably tghen have to load your fixture to mycricket manually.
And then you have ovals unavailable at different times just to **** you over some more

[whufc]

Yeah loading onto my cricket would be frustrating and extremely manual.

The system we use allows us to select available/unavailable dates for individual venues.

I've never found the pdca fixtures to be too bad with the very occasional oddity, there is always the element of luck like missing a game because of heat against the bottom side etc

[Dogwatcher]

Lol you clearly dont put draws together LM

I actually did when Frank Carter passed away.

Whoops.

Well no its not a whoops, what LM was suggesting would be an absolute nightmare to try and do with different teams in each competition and relegation promotion for each.

Yes, but I guess he's never put draws together...

[Lightning McQueen]

Well no its not a whoops, what LM was suggesting would be an absolute nightmare to try and do with different teams in each competition and relegation promotion for each. Also as WHUFC said there is probably programs out there that do it but mycricket is not friendly to 6 team grades, only 7-12 team grades can be programmed in conjunction with other grades. Two day and one day cricket sharing venues cant be done.
Even if you were to find a program you would probably tghen have to load your fixture to mycricket manually.
And then you have ovals unavailable at different times just to **** you over some more

Too right, I spent nearly two days on it, going over it with a fine tooth comb as the bottom couple of grades needed to be done manually, had a chart with oval allocation so there were no double ups as just when you thought you had it all covered Uley #2 would have a double up because Craigmore's E's and One Tree Hill's C's were sharing it, drove me bonkers, add in a grade with only 7 teams aswell and trying to play equal games.

It was a case of everyone jumping in and doing what they could as Frank passed a couple of weeks out from the season starting and everything was in his head, the PDCA community rallied tremendously in this time and learnt a lot from it, well sort of, now Clarko does 90% of the work.

[The Bedge]

Grade 1 - Craigmore 1/143 def Angle Vale 141... are they not coming back for Day 2?

[The Bedge]

Round 13 17th Feb Day One
Sportspower Grade 1
Salisbury West 8/267 (D.J. McIntyre 103, A. Parkhouse 47) v Parafield Gardens
Virginia v Dublin
One Tree Hill 230 (B. McMullen 5/63, S. Bambery 2/44) v Riverside 0/6
Craigmore 143 v Angle Vale 141

Grade 2
North Eastern Knights 124 (B. Woodward 4/33, J. Ritzema 2/7) v Central United 2/70
Eastern Park 242 v Craigmore 0/5
Angle Vale 153 (A. Skelland 49, G. Case 23; T. Patel 3/30, R. Kapahi 2/18) v Adelaide Warriors 4/29
Smithfield v ATCO

Grade 3
Central United 101 (A. Daniels 41; A. Lubcke 7/34) v North Pines 90 & 1/69 (A. Freeman 40, D. Weigl 21; A. Smitham 5/24, B. Greenshields 3/24)
Dublin 164 (A. Starr 62, I. McCarthy 29) v Parafield Gardens 5/53
Eyre Royals 245 (A. Ford 89, M.J. Feltus 38; R. Creek 3/52, D. Ward 2/33) v Salisbury West 0/22
Enfield United 6/149dec. (M. Belczacki 68, M. Reynolds 23) v Riverside 58 & 1/9 (J. Goodman 3/18)

Grade 4
One Tree Hill 8/125dec. (J. Benton 3/19) v Salisbury West 0/12
ATCO v Eyre Royals
North Eastern Knights 244 (D. Ward 59, J. Domeika 51) v PDCA Crossover Bye 3/43

Grade 5
Angle Vale 147 (D. Smeaton 3/29, B. Cater 2/27) v ATCO 3/102
Enfield United 7/510 (B. Whatman 105, J. Hughes 97; S. Douglas 2/40, H. Daddow 2/102) v Eyre Royals
PDCA Crossover Bye 244 (M. Sparre 4/60, G. Tarlok 2/12) v North Pines 3/43

[cricketfanatic25]

craigmore a grade all out for 121 I think and have them 1/20
atco made 300 against Smithfield. craig dantonio with his first 100 I think

[whufc]

That's correct about Atco and Craig

Probably not a more loyal cricketer getting around in the pdca than Craig

His the first to admit he wasn't gifted with skills of Ponting, Lara or Tendulkar but is as honest as they come and gets the most out of his ability, very smart team orientated cricketer.

Very well deserved

[Lightning McQueen]

Grade 1 - Craigmore 1/143 def Angle Vale 141... are they not coming back for Day 2?

The same scoreline as their Grade 8 match I think.