Which grade clubs should go?

Local cricket is the go here. Any talk about local comps, grade cricket, etc.

Which six grade clubs should merge?

Poll ended at Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:03 pm

Adelaide
10
11%
East Torrens
2
2%
Glenelg
3
3%
Kensington
1
1%
Northern Districts
3
3%
Port Adelaide
10
11%
Prospect
13
15%
Southern District
10
11%
Sturt
2
2%
Tea Tree Gully
3
3%
University
11
13%
West Torrens
7
8%
Woodville
13
15%
 
Total votes : 88

Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby The Bedge » Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:21 pm

whufc wrote:
The Bedge wrote:If you dramatically reduce the number of grade clubs, do you run the risk of losing more players to the game of cricket in general?


Would like to think not.....if your at grade cricket either as a junior or senior you must be somewhat passionate about the game. You would like to think their passion would still exist for their original junior club. Maybe that's fantasy land stuff though.

Passion begins early though - if there is no grade club at Ray Sutton level, then do they join clubland from school? Are they likely to continue through ranks? Will they waste summers in the hope of cracking into the 1st grade, or that faint glimmer of hope of playing at the next level?

I fear reducing grade clubs will see a reduction of kids playing the game and/or sticking with it, which will then flow on to quality players moving into the pathways from a young age, and further reducing the talent pool.

Don't know how you do it, but I'd like to see a broad junior age district system, and then funnel into a reduced senior system.. perhaps like the Redback League or whatever they called it (Eastern, Western, Northern, Southern).

Maybe your district club could field B/C/D grades in an ATCA comp, or separate SACA comp, with players "called up" to the next premier tier.. sides featuring the best players from 2/3 clubs.

Grade clubs should also be able to call up performers from community cricket if needed.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Booney » Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:57 pm

Port / Woodville / West Torrens become Western Warriors or something 13 > 11

Southern and the Bays 11 > 10

Northern District and TTG 10 > 9

Sturt and Kensington 9 > 8

Lets play.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby whufc » Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:34 pm

The Bedge wrote:
whufc wrote:
The Bedge wrote:If you dramatically reduce the number of grade clubs, do you run the risk of losing more players to the game of cricket in general?


Would like to think not.....if your at grade cricket either as a junior or senior you must be somewhat passionate about the game. You would like to think their passion would still exist for their original junior club. Maybe that's fantasy land stuff though.

Passion begins early though - if there is no grade club at Ray Sutton level, then do they join clubland from school? Are they likely to continue through ranks? Will they waste summers in the hope of cracking into the 1st grade, or that faint glimmer of hope of playing at the next level?

I fear reducing grade clubs will see a reduction of kids playing the game and/or sticking with it, which will then flow on to quality players moving into the pathways from a young age, and further reducing the talent pool.

Don't know how you do it, but I'd like to see a broad junior age district system, and then funnel into a reduced senior system.. perhaps like the Redback League or whatever they called it (Eastern, Western, Northern, Southern).

Maybe your district club could field B/C/D grades in an ATCA comp, or separate SACA comp, with players "called up" to the next premier tier.. sides featuring the best players from 2/3 clubs.

Grade clubs should also be able to call up performers from community cricket if needed.


Damn can’t argue with that :lol:
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:03 am

Booney wrote:Port / Woodville / West Torrens become Western Warriors or something 13 > 11

Southern and the Bays 11 > 10

Northern District and TTG 10 > 9

Sturt and Kensington 9 > 8

Lets play.


No one wants to lose their identity with a merger.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Aerie » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:28 am

SACA/Grade Cricket has produced over a quarter of the Australian Test side, including the specialist keeping and spin bowling positions as well as a batsman, who scored more than the whole England team in the first innings. 6 percent of the population, yet 27 percent of the cricket team entered the Aussie team via Grade Cricket and the Redbacks! Hats off to the Grade Cricket system in SA - lifting above its weight!
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby gadj1976 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:47 pm

Aerie wrote:SACA/Grade Cricket has produced over a quarter of the Australian Test side, including the specialist keeping and spin bowling positions as well as a batsman, who scored more than the whole England team in the first innings. 6 percent of the population, yet 27 percent of the cricket team entered the Aussie team via Grade Cricket and the Redbacks! Hats off to the Grade Cricket system in SA - lifting above its weight!


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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Booney » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:22 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:Port / Woodville / West Torrens become Western Warriors or something 13 > 11

Southern and the Bays 11 > 10

Northern District and TTG 10 > 9

Sturt and Kensington 9 > 8

Lets play.


No one wants to lose their identity with a merger.


Better to merge than die altogether.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:29 pm

Booney wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
No one wants to lose their identity with a merger.


Better to merge than die altogether.


No club will die, nothing will change, the SACA tried once and got burnt.

SA finished top in 15/16 and 2nd top the following year (still hosted the GF), we've had our chances, need to not produce roads at district level so it's not such a big jump between that and Shield level, they're flogging a dead horse going down the merger path.

Blind Freddy can see the solution but you can understand the rich history that the clubs want to hold on to.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Gosaints » Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:41 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
No one wants to lose their identity with a merger.


Better to merge than die altogether.


No club will die, nothing will change, the SACA tried once and got burnt.

SA finished top in 15/16 and 2nd top the following year (still hosted the GF), we've had our chances, need to not produce roads at district level so it's not such a big jump between that and Shield level, they're flogging a dead horse going down the merger path.

Blind Freddy can see the solution but you can understand the rich history that the clubs want to hold on to.


the pitches are not the issue. the quality of bowling in district cricket is terrible. most teams do not have a bowler capable of bowling over 130km/h.
most adelaide turf teams have better bowling attacks.
ring field low and slow rubbish. complete opposite to first class.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Cricket Watcher » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:19 pm

Gosaints wrote:
cokadonkeytoo wrote:Junior cricket has been on a decline for probably the last 8-10 years. Cricket in this state will be in a terrible way if things aren't addressed now. Grade clubs need to look at their junior coaching structures and maybe put more money and resources into that. After all, they are the future of the club!


i agree about the decline in junior cricket, however most premier clubs simply view it as hassle and try not to invest too much time, effort or dollars into it.
the reality is you probably get 1 kid out of 70-80 who will play 50-75 1st grade games and the stars will progress anyway. much easier to go and buy what you need rather than waiting 7-10 years for a return on investment. i don't agree with it however that is what the saca have promoted with their dysfunctional system and poor decision making.
why would a club invest dollars now into something with no return for many years when the pressure will be on to perform now or be talked about for mergers or a second division.
most clubs are now run by mums and dads who are middle management at best, and they have no ability to set a long term vision or direction.
broken system.
only 11 players in a team, a genuine 1st grader will be around for 12-15 years, so who needs to waste resources on developing hundreds of kids that will never play 1st grade.
again, don't agree with the broken system



SACA could go to the Victorian Premier League model of no u14 or u16 just u17, leave the junior development to the community clubs, the kids who are serious about their cricket and have a future at a premier club will end up there at u17. Will develop better relationships with premier and community clubs. Could have a zoning system where community clubs are aligned with premier clubs.

FWIW I am currently involved in junior coaching at a premier club and the coaching guidelines from CA for u14 is all about involvement and the very basics, keeping it very simple.
What I see from the kids I coach is that when they start out it is all about survival, they might face 50 balls for 5 runs. This would involve blocking full tosses, leaving balls going down leg side etc. I do not condone that type of batting and encourage positive batting, that doesn't just mean hitting 4's and 6's but positive running between wickets, cricket is the most runs wins not most balls faced. We work on a lot of the smaller parts of the game, I go as far as teaching them how to pass the ball from the keeper back to the bowler because watching them do that can be one of the most frustrating things you will watch. My belief is that at u14 level any one of these kids could turn out to be a senior cricketer at the club no matter their ability at this age.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby whufc » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:35 pm

Love how your teaching the kids the game. I strongly believe that the best way to improve kids, in particular those at the lower end of the natural talent pool or physical attribute pool is to teach them cricket IQ. Most humans really enjoy things they consider they are at smart at, sport is no different.

You might not be able to hit the ball through the field but hey if you know how to call between wickets, turn the correct way to run twos, slide your bat, back up as the bowler bowls you can still get a few runs hitting the ball in the infield.

I've always found the bowling aspect of the game is the harder of the two skills to improve...….would love others thoughts on tthat

I also believe its really important to teach the kids the fun, enjoyment' and team aspect of fielding. Imo its the most used reason kids stop playing the game 'I hate the long days in the field' yet its the one time in cricket that you are out there as an entire team. I always look to give kids as many opportunities in different fielding positions as possible, most kids if given an oppurtunity will find a position there decent at, may not have good reflexes or catching but may have a really good arm etc.

Also when training fielding try to replicate game day scenario eg set up a semi circle of cones behind the keep and encourage them to stop the ball from going past the cones (boundary). We've even got the high jump mat out and taught kids how to dive properly and practise screamers. I mean who doesn't love trying to take a classic right... we spent hours as kids diving into pools trying to take classics.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby am Bays » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:35 pm

Gosaints wrote:
the pitches are not the issue. the quality of bowling in district cricket is terrible. most teams do not have a bowler capable of bowling over 130km/h.
most adelaide turf teams have better bowling attacks.
ring field low and slow rubbish. complete opposite to first class.


With the greatest respect, dont be silly, people play Adelaide turf, because they either:
a) dont thave the ability to play district cricket (me)
b) dont have the desire to do so (either been there done that or pulled heart muscle)
c) dont have the physical abilities

First change and upwind bowlers in A1 would be cannon fodder to most A grade district batters line ups especially in the last session when it gets hard.

Dont disagree with your assessment on the gap between district and first class but that is the same gap between District firsts and ATCA As too.
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Gosaints » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:51 pm

am Bays wrote:
Gosaints wrote:
the pitches are not the issue. the quality of bowling in district cricket is terrible. most teams do not have a bowler capable of bowling over 130km/h.
most adelaide turf teams have better bowling attacks.
ring field low and slow rubbish. complete opposite to first class.


With the greatest respect, dont be silly, people play Adelaide turf, because they either:
a) dont thave the ability to play district cricket (me)
b) dont have the desire to do so (either been there done that or pulled heart muscle)
c) dont have the physical abilities

First change and upwind bowlers in A1 would be cannon fodder to most A grade district batters line ups especially in the last session when it gets hard.

Dont disagree with your assessment on the gap between district and first class but that is the same gap between District firsts and ATCA As too.


first change bowlers and many opening bowlers in district cricket are cannon fodder, that is the problem.

i think you will find the gap is not that great between many district firsts and good ATCA teams.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Cricket Watcher wrote:[
FWIW I am currently involved in junior coaching at a premier club and the coaching guidelines from CA for u14 is all about involvement and the very basics, keeping it very simple.
What I see from the kids I coach is that when they start out it is all about survival, they might face 50 balls for 5 runs. This would involve blocking full tosses, leaving balls going down leg side etc. I do not condone that type of batting and encourage positive batting, that doesn't just mean hitting 4's and 6's but positive running between wickets, cricket is the most runs wins not most balls faced. We work on a lot of the smaller parts of the game, I go as far as teaching them how to pass the ball from the keeper back to the bowler because watching them do that can be one of the most frustrating things you will watch. My belief is that at u14 level any one of these kids could turn out to be a senior cricketer at the club no matter their ability at this age.

Great post!

Loved all of it but the relaying comment in particular. Once frustrated, I pointed out to an U14 team playing a 60 over game that including throws that bounce to the keeper and when passing around the field back to the bowler that the ball was hitting the ground unnecessarily somewhere between 500 and 900 times per innings. And each one is a dagger through my heart
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby cokadonkeytoo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:51 pm

I'm so heartened to read the above posts about teaching kids the right way to play the game. With more people speaking that same language cricket will make strides in the right direction.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:50 am

Tony Clifton wrote:
Cricket Watcher wrote:[
FWIW I am currently involved in junior coaching at a premier club and the coaching guidelines from CA for u14 is all about involvement and the very basics, keeping it very simple.
What I see from the kids I coach is that when they start out it is all about survival, they might face 50 balls for 5 runs. This would involve blocking full tosses, leaving balls going down leg side etc. I do not condone that type of batting and encourage positive batting, that doesn't just mean hitting 4's and 6's but positive running between wickets, cricket is the most runs wins not most balls faced. We work on a lot of the smaller parts of the game, I go as far as teaching them how to pass the ball from the keeper back to the bowler because watching them do that can be one of the most frustrating things you will watch. My belief is that at u14 level any one of these kids could turn out to be a senior cricketer at the club no matter their ability at this age.

Great post!

Loved all of it but the relaying comment in particular. Once frustrated, I pointed out to an U14 team playing a 60 over game that including throws that bounce to the keeper and when passing around the field back to the bowler that the ball was hitting the ground unnecessarily somewhere between 500 and 900 times per innings. And each one is a dagger through my heart


And then we watch at international level they purposely try to skim the ground with their returns, it goes against everything we try to teach LOL.

I remember umpiring an under 14 match and the opening bowler was bouncing the brand new nut on the concrete behind the stumps waiting for his team to get into position.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby whufc » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:42 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
Cricket Watcher wrote:[
FWIW I am currently involved in junior coaching at a premier club and the coaching guidelines from CA for u14 is all about involvement and the very basics, keeping it very simple.
What I see from the kids I coach is that when they start out it is all about survival, they might face 50 balls for 5 runs. This would involve blocking full tosses, leaving balls going down leg side etc. I do not condone that type of batting and encourage positive batting, that doesn't just mean hitting 4's and 6's but positive running between wickets, cricket is the most runs wins not most balls faced. We work on a lot of the smaller parts of the game, I go as far as teaching them how to pass the ball from the keeper back to the bowler because watching them do that can be one of the most frustrating things you will watch. My belief is that at u14 level any one of these kids could turn out to be a senior cricketer at the club no matter their ability at this age.

Great post!

Loved all of it but the relaying comment in particular. Once frustrated, I pointed out to an U14 team playing a 60 over game that including throws that bounce to the keeper and when passing around the field back to the bowler that the ball was hitting the ground unnecessarily somewhere between 500 and 900 times per innings. And each one is a dagger through my heart


And then we watch at international level they purposely try to skim the ground with their returns, it goes against everything we try to teach LOL.

I remember umpiring an under 14 match and the opening bowler was bouncing the brand new nut on the concrete behind the stumps waiting for his team to get into position.


Probably didn't have any access to sandpaper.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby The_Rampaging_Bull » Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:30 pm

my lad plays under 10s and for the first time, they have started batting with a full kit on.
its great to see them getting used to a helmet and running with pads on at such a young age.
i 100% agree with your posts about young children developing cricket IQ.
its the simple things like hitting in the "V", and playing the correct shots without trying to hit every ball for 6s over cow corner.

kids that can workout where to hit the ball and where to bowl the ball at a young age will develop faster and progress quicker in my opinion, and as mentioned in the previous posts, if they have a true love of the game, they will stick around and try to go as far as possible with the game.
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Re: Which grade clubs should go?

Postby Gosaints » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:18 pm

The_Rampaging_Bull wrote:my lad plays under 10s and for the first time, they have started batting with a full kit on.
its great to see them getting used to a helmet and running with pads on at such a young age.
i 100% agree with your posts about young children developing cricket IQ.
its the simple things like hitting in the "V", and playing the correct shots without trying to hit every ball for 6s over cow corner.

kids that can workout where to hit the ball and where to bowl the ball at a young age will develop faster and progress quicker in my opinion, and as mentioned in the previous posts, if they have a true love of the game, they will stick around and try to go as far as possible with the game.


all wonderful stuff however is it premier cricket we are describing or community cricket?
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