by RustyCage » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:12 am
by RustyCage » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:17 am
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:05 am
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:19 am
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:24 am
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:29 am
by daysofourlives » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:41 pm
Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
by The Duke » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:57 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:11 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
by heater31 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:14 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:15 pm
by daysofourlives » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:20 pm
Q. wrote:What is interesting is that both cocaine and methamphetamine are WADA prohibited substances. There's blokes pissing hot for this stuff all the time in the AFL and nothing happens, yet a VFL player gets a two year ban for taking some Sudafed for a cold. Grossly unfair.
And yes, it does appear that the three lads made innocent mistakes, but unfortunately you can't plead ignorance to these things.
by daysofourlives » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:21 pm
The Duke wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
Looking to get your hands on this product daisy! They say a side effect is it makes ya hair fall out.
by heater31 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:26 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:What is interesting is that both cocaine and methamphetamine are WADA prohibited substances. There's blokes pissing hot for this stuff all the time in the AFL and nothing happens, yet a VFL player gets a two year ban for taking some Sudafed for a cold. Grossly unfair.
And yes, it does appear that the three lads made innocent mistakes, but unfortunately you can't plead ignorance to these things.
I don't know what sort of education is at SANFL/VFL level but i reckon if i was playing there i wouldnt even think twice about what medication i was taking.
by Jetters » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:13 pm
Q. wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
DMAA had been legal in Oz up until a couple of months ago and was a key ingredient in many 'pre-workouts', like Jack3D and Mesomorph. Very popular amongst the gym rats, but a couple of the lads I played footy with this year would put it in a shake before training or games (and I reckon that's a practice a couple of players at every club does) . DMAA was scheduled as an illicit substance after unsubstantiated media hype over people using the pre-workout for a night out on the town (utterly ridiculous) - but it is important to note that it has long been on WADA's list of prohibited substances.
Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine (How many of us have had a cold and popped some sudafed for a game?) are on WADA's prohibited list at certain blood concentrations. AFAIK, the former is illegal in Oz, the latter is restricted.
Yohimbine is derived from Pausinystalia yohimbe. The compound and the plant are illegal (why, why, why?!) in Australia, but not in the rest of the world. A lot of fat-burning, appetite suppressing fitness industry supplements contain it, so when someone buys it over the internet and imports it into Oz, it usually gets seized. I'm unsure of its WADA status.
So what is the rule and ramifications in regards to using WADA prohibited substances within amateur football? I don't know?
by Q. » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:15 pm
Jetters wrote:Taking pre-workouts before a game or training is a very stupid thing to do in regard to performance, but agree that a few at every club would do it. Taking them before a night out is also pretty common.
Jetters wrote:The big issue is all the stuff is so unregulated. Many of the ingredients fall narrowly either side of the line of what is legal in society and in sporting associations. What is legal in one country is not in the next and what is ok in one sporting body isn't in another. I think because the supplement industry is so unregulated, some idiot takes 20x the dose of a reasonably safe substance, does some damage to themselves and then the media hypes it up and then it is the easiest option is just to ban the substance.
Jetters wrote:But atheletes who are playing professional/semi-professional sports should surely know that they are playing with fire when ordering supplements from overseas and should check carefully what they are taking is ok.
by RustyCage » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:11 pm
AN AFL aspirants 18-month ban for importing performance-enhancing drugs will not be ramped up after ASADA opted against launching an appeal.
AFL Victoria slugged VFL star Wade Lees with the suspension from all competitive sport last month, as revealed by the Herald Sun, but Lees feared the anti-drugs body would push for a maximum two-year sanction.
Lees’ lawyer received an email from ASADA on Thursday night, confirming the ban would end on November 10 this year.
The three-year saga cost Lees about $13,000 in legal fees and affected his mental state.
"I’m just glad the whole process is over and I’m looking forward to a big return," he said yesterday, refusing to abandon his AFL dream.
In 2010 the Casey Scorpion ordered a fat-burning product from the US.
The $180 substance contained traces of steroids and was intercepted by Australian Customs, which informed ASADA.
Lees, 24, was then charged with ``attempted use of a prohibited substance violation'' and banned by AFL Victoria after Round 7 last season.
Lees, who nominated for last year’s draft, said he bought the product to help lower his skin folds and compete with AFL midfielders playing in the VFL.
ASADA swiftly appealed Frankston player Matt Clark’s nine-month ban after he failed a drug test he knew was coming.
Since the publicised cases some VFL players and officials have called on AFL Victoria to ramp up its drug education program.
by Killa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:10 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
by Q. » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:32 pm
Killa wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Q. wrote:You really have to wonder whether these journalists do any research. It's completely unfair to accuse these blokes of taking steroids, when they were only taking OTC supplements containing mild stimulants that help supress appetite.
I bet in the Lees case, he ordered a fat-burning supplement that contained either ephedra or yohimbine, which are both legal in the US, but not here.
Im not up on this stuff at all but what would be the the ramifications if an ammo or country footballer imported this stuff? Is it illegal?
Sounds to me like a very innocent mistake
Ramifications for the casual sportsman who take PEDS can attract the same penalty as the pros. All the answers regarding the drug policy for the casual sportsman is in the attached PDF file.1005_antidoping_flyer_a4_fa.pdf_copy2.pdf
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