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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:29 pm

Gladys Liu pulling a Dastyari. Surely she has to get the sack! Although, there always seems to be a separate set of rules for the corrupt LNP politicians.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:32 am

Yeah she has to go.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Psyber » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:19 pm

Q. wrote:I'm saying surplus/deficit figures are are meaningless and the continual reference to them is macroeconomic ignorance.

The surplus/deficit figures tells us zero about how well a government handles the economy, wage growth, living standards etc. The fact we are in a per capita recession is testament to that.


Sounds like traditional Greek economic policy to me. Just spend and expect the rest of Europe to bail you out.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Psyber wrote:
Q. wrote:I'm saying surplus/deficit figures are are meaningless and the continual reference to them is macroeconomic ignorance.

The surplus/deficit figures tells us zero about how well a government handles the economy, wage growth, living standards etc. The fact we are in a per capita recession is testament to that.


Sounds like traditional Greek economic policy to me. Just spend and expect the rest of Europe to bail you out.


By all means, compare Australia with Greece if you want to look like you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Psyber » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:26 am

Q. wrote:
Psyber wrote:
Q. wrote:I'm saying surplus/deficit figures are are meaningless and the continual reference to them is macroeconomic ignorance.

The surplus/deficit figures tells us zero about how well a government handles the economy, wage growth, living standards etc. The fact we are in a per capita recession is testament to that.

Sounds like traditional Greek economic policy to me. Just spend and expect the rest of Europe to bail you out.

By all means, compare Australia with Greece if you want to look like you don't know what you're talking about.

I was citing the Greece mess as an example of where uncontrolled spending leads.
The question is do we want the extreme left free spending devotionists to lead us there...
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:24 am

Psyber wrote:
Q. wrote:
Psyber wrote:
Q. wrote:I'm saying surplus/deficit figures are are meaningless and the continual reference to them is macroeconomic ignorance.

The surplus/deficit figures tells us zero about how well a government handles the economy, wage growth, living standards etc. The fact we are in a per capita recession is testament to that.

Sounds like traditional Greek economic policy to me. Just spend and expect the rest of Europe to bail you out.

By all means, compare Australia with Greece if you want to look like you don't know what you're talking about.

I was citing the Greece mess as an example of where uncontrolled spending leads.
The question is do we want the extreme left free spending devotionists to lead us there...


Shadow economy + massive unemployment + history of instability + don't issue own currency

None of this applies to Australia and is a shit example.

In Australia we do this (this is the LNP extreme spending FYI):

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:24 pm

Also, it's worth noting that in today's Yahoo Finance conference that Peter Costello stated that Govt spending per capita is currently at a record high:

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/ ... t-spending

But yeah, we'll keep quoting budget figures like they mean something and making dumb analogies like:

"The labor government is the 3 weeks in Croatia throwing up off the side of a sail boat.
The liberal government is then the next 6 months back at home paying off the credit card bill."
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby FlyingHigh » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:37 pm

Q. wrote:Also, it's worth noting that in today's Yahoo Finance conference that Peter Costello stated that Govt spending per capita is currently at a record high:

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/ ... t-spending

But yeah, we'll keep quoting budget figures like they mean something and making dumb analogies like:

"The labor government is the 3 weeks in Croatia throwing up off the side of a sail boat.
The liberal government is then the next 6 months back at home paying off the credit card bill."


LOL for a government who oversaw the massive housing asset price inflation in the 90's and 00's. That is what we are now paying for now with the final death-knell of manufacturing over the last ten years, retail struggling, various sectors of agriculture struggling, whinging about utility prices and council rates, because everyone needs to buy everything as cheap as they can to get by.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:21 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:
Q. wrote:Also, it's worth noting that in today's Yahoo Finance conference that Peter Costello stated that Govt spending per capita is currently at a record high:

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/ ... t-spending

But yeah, we'll keep quoting budget figures like they mean something and making dumb analogies like:

"The labor government is the 3 weeks in Croatia throwing up off the side of a sail boat.
The liberal government is then the next 6 months back at home paying off the credit card bill."


LOL for a government who oversaw the massive housing asset price inflation in the 90's and 00's. That is what we are now paying for now with the final death-knell of manufacturing over the last ten years, retail struggling, various sectors of agriculture struggling, whinging about utility prices and council rates, because everyone needs to buy everything as cheap as they can to get by.


And again, who's only interest is in inflating house prices further. RBA to cut interest rates to 0.75%...

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Psyber » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:48 am

FlyingHigh wrote:
Q. wrote:Also, it's worth noting that in today's Yahoo Finance conference that Peter Costello stated that Govt spending per capita is currently at a record high:

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/ ... t-spending

But yeah, we'll keep quoting budget figures like they mean something and making dumb analogies like:

"The labor government is the 3 weeks in Croatia throwing up off the side of a sail boat.
The liberal government is then the next 6 months back at home paying off the credit card bill."


LOL for a government who oversaw the massive housing asset price inflation in the 90's and 00's. That is what we are now paying for now with the final death-knell of manufacturing over the last ten years, retail struggling, various sectors of agriculture struggling, whinging about utility prices and council rates, because everyone needs to buy everything as cheap as they can to get by.


I don't have a theoretical position about economics, but in practical terms I rely on my observations through my lifetime based on what I bought and sold houses for. There were relatively stable housing prices from when I bought my first house in 1968 until about 1972 then a doubling (plus a little extra) by 1975 under the Whitlam government (which I admit I voted for in 1972 and 1974) then fairly flat house prices until 1984 when there began another rise (a doubling between November 1983 and May 1984) then a steady rise until late 1987 when it all fell over.

Thereafter, prices stayed fairly flat until the late 1990s, by which time I was in Melbourne and prices jumped again in about 2003 in both Melbourne and Adelaide. Then there was a slump, followed by a more gradual rise in 2006-8 and a slump again in late 2008 which benefitted me on my return to Adelaide then.

I dropped a little money selling my house in Stirling/Aldgate in mid 2018 to move elsewhere. I would have done better about 6 months or so earlier.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:31 pm

I’d agree with most of that Psyber other than:
Late 90’s slump - around 97.
Prices in Adelaide skyrocketed in 2001. I wasn’t here but remember Mrs Jimmy flying back for inspections and telling me we were in trouble money wise because of the price increases.
I bought my house in Burnside in 89 and sold to move overseas in 99. The uplift was only 20% over 10 years.
In 2003 it sold for +80% what I sold it for.
I bought my current house in 2002 and it was double what they paid 5 years earlier.
It’s now worth +200% 17 years later.
I have always heard, dating back to the late 80s, that houses should double every 7 - 10 years
That seems to fit these increases.

Owning a house is the Australian dream. People will do anything to buy one and not get foreclosed.
The big difference between US and Oz housing in the GFC was exactly that plus US non recourse loans.
That saved Australian financial system; not Swan’s pitiful idea to give everyone $900.
I just paid mine off my mortgage. The pokie barons loved it. They paid off their mortgages.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Psyber » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:52 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I’d agree with most of that Psyber other than:
Late 90’s slump - around 97.

Yes, I bought a place in West Lakes (Delphin Island) in the 90s and my wife's asthma got worse there. I put it on the market in late 1996 and struggled to get my dough back then. In the end I had to sack Toop and Toop (who kept trying to push my price down when it didn't sell immediately) and hire Elders (Grange branch). They dug me out by sheer perseverence until a keen buyer showed up. I gather it got worse for a while, while we rented near Hahndorf until we moved to Melbourne January 1999 to help out my step-daughter who had cancer in her early 30s. (She survived.)

I came back in January 2009 after my wife died in October 2008.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:29 pm

Cayman Angus embroiled yet again in parliamentary corruption:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/24/angus-taylor/
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Booney » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:45 am

#hillsong
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:37 pm

Booney wrote:#hillsong


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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:00 pm

Just a minor case of electoral fraud from everyone's favourite party of corruption:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

"You intended to convey that it was an AEC corflute didn't you," Ms De Ferrari said.

"It was similar to the AEC colours, yes," Mr Frost replied.

"That is a yes then?" she asked.

"Yes," he replied.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Magellan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:13 am

Great article by David Crowe on the double standards of Morrison's pledge to outlaw enviro-type protests.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/liberties-for-the-chosen-ones-what-and-who-do-morrison-s-liberals-stand-for-20191107-p5389j.html

Scott Morrison spoke as a champion of liberty nine days ago when he likened personal freedom to a lighthouse that would guide his government in rough seas. Morrison used a lecture in honour of Tom Hughes, a Liberal who fought for freedom in the air over Normandy, to talk of the rule of law, democratic principles, tolerance, respect and the sovereignty of the people.

"No faith in coal" ... a multi-faith plea this year involved representatives of 150 religious leaders calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to recognise Australia's moral responsibility to avoid a climate catastrophe.

These were not just high-sounding words, he said. “As Liberals we understand that security must recognise the rights and freedoms of individuals.” It sounded like a statement of fundamental belief for the Liberal crowd.

Two days later, Morrison made a very different speech. This time he spoke about freedoms run wild – about protesters who tried to stop coal mines and about his plan for new laws to stop boycotts.

“We are working to identify a series of mechanisms that can successfully outlaw these indulgent and selfish practices,” he told the Queensland Resources Council. “We must protect our economy from this great threat.”

The freedoms lauded one day were forgotten the next. There was no place for liberty if it meant free speech and the right to galvanise consumer power against the government’s favoured industry.

The space between the two speeches was a philosophical vacuum so deep it could only be crossed by George Clooney in a spacesuit with a jet pack – or a Prime Minister drifting in a bubble, beyond the laws of political gravity.

Nobody can be sure exactly what Morrison meant by the “mechanisms” to stop protesters, given existing laws already outlaw violence, obstruction, vandalism or creating a public nuisance. But nobody should assume this was merely tough talk. Morrison made a pledge to “outlaw” the boycotts. He will be expected to deliver.

The government plays down the scale of these changes. It says the Prime Minister does not want to restrict freedom of speech, will not stop a peaceful protest and only wants to target organised boycotts. But Morrison used the word "outlaw" in his speech, and that surely means some form of legal sanction.

Morrison now sets a course that looks utterly inconsistent with his convictions on other fronts. He believes so strongly in freedom of speech on religion that he seeks new laws to protect the faithful. With every step he triggers another question about his selective convictions.

Shane Stephan, chief executive of New Hope, which wants to expand its New Acland coal mine in Queensland, has a solution. He wants changes to Section 45DD of the Competition and Consumer Act to end an exemption for environmental activists.

Section 45DD forbids secondary boycotts in which someone – often a union – seeks to boycott one company because it is a supplier or supporter of another company which is the primary target. The section allows the boycott if its dominant purpose is “substantially related” to environmental protection or consumer protection.

“They are free to target us,” Stephan told ABC Radio National on Tuesday. “They just should not be free to target our suppliers of goods and services.”

But what exactly does it mean to “target” a company? Does it have to mean a picket line that obstructs a business and its customers? To go by the complaints from business leaders this week, it could mean a call for consumers to ban a company.

In other words, it could mean free speech. The government is struggling with this awkward reality.

Activists who call on customers to withdraw cash from a bank that lends to the Adani coal mine are not playing nice. They want to inflict peak financial pain. So be it. They have the right to do so when their weapons are words.

Company chiefs could argue back and defend themselves but prefer the helping hand of a Liberal government that is suddenly afraid of customer power in a free market.

The humiliating consequence for the Liberals was to have their government schooled on freedom this week by Mike Cannon-Brookes, the co-founder of Atlassian. Cannon-Brookes is the sort of problem the conservatives thought they got rid of a year ago – he’s rich, believes in action on climate change and lives in a harbourside mansion. But he is also smart. As a businessman he has thrived in the extreme capitalism of American startup culture, a world that embraces creative destruction and believes the slowest wildebeest deserves to be the lion’s supper.

“Choosing not to do business with companies that threaten the health of the planet is everyone’s basic right,” Cannon-Brookes said this week. “It’s a way to get business to do the right thing, because we are all accountable.”

Do the Liberals and Nationals really need this reminder of what the free market means? They have just been shamed by a billionaire who lives in a free market they only know from books.

Coalition governments always have a cohort of agrarian socialists who are eager to use laws and budgets to help friends in need, but the helping hand is getting bigger. One year ago their stated energy policy was to underwrite new-generation projects with a guarantee rather than hard cash; now the policy is to use $1 billion in commonwealth debt to help finance them.

So the protest laws are part of a bigger picture of legal and financial aid for companies lucky enough to win favours from the cabinet room so they can enjoy the mission creep of nanny state capitalism.

Morrison can enjoy the afterglow of his election victory for a few more months, knowing Labor is still searching for a direction while Anthony Albanese tries to give heart to a downcast team.

But the fact is that Morrison and his government are searching for direction as well. What do they stand for? They have no time for press freedom but are totally absorbed by religious freedom, while thinking that other freedoms depend upon your opinion about coal.

The protest law is certainly populist for the conservative base but it suggests Morrison has been spending too much time with the Donald Trump strain of conservatism. Perhaps the Prime Minister’s visit to Washington DC last September came three decades too late.

When Peggy Noonan remembered her time as speechwriter in Ronald Reagan’s White House, she had no trouble listing the president’s convictions. Here is just one. “He believed that government out of control is the main threat to individual freedom in the modern world.”

If Morrison needs a lighthouse in rough seas, those words might help him find the way.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:26 am

Q. wrote:Just a minor case of electoral fraud from everyone's favourite party of corruption:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

"You intended to convey that it was an AEC corflute didn't you," Ms De Ferrari said.

"It was similar to the AEC colours, yes," Mr Frost replied.

"That is a yes then?" she asked.

"Yes," he replied.


Anything goes in the DPRV

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/19/red-shirts-scandal-is-back-threatening-to-derail-2018-victorian-election
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Q. wrote:Just a minor case of electoral fraud from everyone's favourite party of corruption:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

"You intended to convey that it was an AEC corflute didn't you," Ms De Ferrari said.

"It was similar to the AEC colours, yes," Mr Frost replied.

"That is a yes then?" she asked.

"Yes," he replied.


Anything goes in the DPRV

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/19/red-shirts-scandal-is-back-threatening-to-derail-2018-victorian-election


You do love a tu quoque logical fallacy :roll:
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:23 pm

    Q. wrote:
    Jimmy_041 wrote:
    Q. wrote:Just a minor case of electoral fraud from everyone's favourite party of corruption:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

    "You intended to convey that it was an AEC corflute didn't you," Ms De Ferrari said.

    "It was similar to the AEC colours, yes," Mr Frost replied.

    "That is a yes then?" she asked.

    "Yes," he replied.


    Anything goes in the DPRV

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/19/red-shirts-scandal-is-back-threatening-to-derail-2018-victorian-election


    You do love a tu quoque logical fallacy :roll:


    Except I’m agreeing with you. i hate political corruption more than most because I’ve seen it from the inside.
    All breaches should be prosecuted. The problem is the people who do it are responsible for the laws that should stop it.
    Maybe if Biggles hadn’t got away with it, and actually made a shitload of money out of it through a defamation action, politicians would stop doing it.
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