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Re: US

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:37 pm

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Re: US

Postby DOC » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:19 pm

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Re: US

Postby stan » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:20 pm

Apachebulldog wrote:Yeah and a lot of them all left leaning rags and have one common denominator all anti Trump.

Since 2015 i would say almost all MSM have been anti Trump the establishment do not like the OUTSIDER.
They print and post up what they believe will get the most clicks / sales.

The agenda is driving out rage and fear to again sell clicks papers.

It's that simple. MSN are basically just shock jocks these days.
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Re: US

Postby stan » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:22 pm

DOC wrote:'November 3rd will tell all."

True.

In Australia we will have the race that stops a nation whilst in the US they will vote for or against a racist running a nation.
No it won't.

Trump will be in office one way or the other. His team is so clever they have started to sow the lines already of the challenge and the route they will take on this.
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Re: US

Postby cracka » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:11 am

DOC wrote:Agreed. Dead set racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGqoS0sIaU

Um. That link takes me to a music album.
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Re: US

Postby woodublieve12 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:45 am

I think the Biden should send a thank you card to trump after these town hall meetings :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Fellas, it’s OK to be in pain. It’s OK to hurt. It’s OK to be sad. It’s no longer OK to suffer in silence."
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Re: US

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:52 am

The polls have Biden leading
The same polls that predicted Hilary would win.



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Re: US

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:55 am

The biggest issue for the US citizens is that both sides are completely one-sided in their views. Far left and far right. There is no middle. Here we have 2 major parties that sit in the middle.

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Re: US

Postby woodublieve12 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:25 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The polls have Biden leading
The same polls that predicted Hilary would win.



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every single poll has Biden winning... No way Trump comes close to the popular vote. Unfortunately it will come down to the electoral college and hopefully that doesn't cost biden
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Re: US

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 pm

I'll say it again:

The Electoral College system was instituted to stop California and New York always picking the President

The popular vote is meaningless.
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Re: US

Postby RB » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:13 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The polls have Biden leading
The same polls that predicted Hilary would win.


There are a few points to make here regarding polling:

1. The result of the election in many respects reflected the polling - i.e. Hillary winning the popular vote by 2-3%. Although the Electoral College determines the presidency, it was not unreasonable to presume that it would reflect the popular vote - it had only failed to do so once since the 19th century.
2. Trump's Electoral College win was within the margin of error for most pollsters. FiveThirtyEight, won of the most respected polling aggregators, gave Trump a 30% chance of winning on election day, and was at pains to stress in the weeks prior that a Trump victory remained a distinct possibility.
3. Trump's vote was remarkably efficient - i.e. won the narrow contests and didn't waste votes in safe states. Of course, this could happen again, but the Democrats have had four years to study the 2016 campaign and work out what went wrong, and how they can do better next time in terms of focusing on the right states. I'll admit though that this is beyond the control of pollsters.
4. To the extent that there was a polling error, it seems that the major contributor was insufficient state-based rather than national polls, and the failure to weigh education in making predictions. These issues have both been largely resolved.
5. Biden's lead in polls at this time was far greater than Hillary's.

Point number 5 could prove decisive. Although it may narrow between now and the election (which would matter less than usual as there is far more early voting this time around), there are fewer 'late deciders' this time around. Trump won those voters comfortably four years ago.

I would definitely not write off Trump, but comparing polling now with polling four years ago is like comparing apples with oranges.
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Re: US

Postby Apachebulldog » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:22 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The polls have Biden leading
The same polls that predicted Hilary would win.



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every single poll has Biden winning... No way Trump comes close to the popular vote. Unfortunately it will come down to the electoral college and hopefully that doesn't cost biden[/quote

Its gonna be interesting the Zogby Poll suggests that Trump is narrowing the gap.

Only one poll counts and thats November 3rd very very interesting times ahead for the good ole USA.
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Re: US

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:25 pm

RB wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The polls have Biden leading
The same polls that predicted Hilary would win.


There are a few points to make here regarding polling:

1. The result of the election in many respects reflected the polling - i.e. Hillary winning the popular vote by 2-3%. Although the Electoral College determines the presidency, it was not unreasonable to presume that it would reflect the popular vote - it had only failed to do so once since the 19th century.
2. Trump's Electoral College win was within the margin of error for most pollsters. FiveThirtyEight, won of the most respected polling aggregators, gave Trump a 30% chance of winning on election day, and was at pains to stress in the weeks prior that a Trump victory remained a distinct possibility.
3. Trump's vote was remarkably efficient - i.e. won the narrow contests and didn't waste votes in safe states. Of course, this could happen again, but the Democrats have had four years to study the 2016 campaign and work out what went wrong, and how they can do better next time in terms of focusing on the right states. I'll admit though that this is beyond the control of pollsters.
4. To the extent that there was a polling error, it seems that the major contributor was insufficient state-based rather than national polls, and the failure to weigh education in making predictions. These issues have both been largely resolved.
5. Biden's lead in polls at this time was far greater than Hillary's.

Point number 5 could prove decisive. Although it may narrow between now and the election (which would matter less than usual as there is far more early voting this time around), there are fewer 'late deciders' this time around. Trump won those voters comfortably four years ago.

I would definitely not write off Trump, but comparing polling now with polling four years ago is like comparing apples with oranges.


All good and valid points.

Point 3
You mention the Democrats had 4 years to work it out. Then they end up with Biden...
If his VP was the nominee then they have a bigger chance of winning IMO.

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Re: US

Postby Booney » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:32 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:If his VP was the nominee then they have a bigger chance of winning IMO.


There is, in reality, no chance the American public vote a woman of colour into the Oval Office.

Thing is, they're too stupid to work out she'll end up there as soon as Joe gets in and steps aside.
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Re: US

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:47 pm

Booney wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:If his VP was the nominee then they have a bigger chance of winning IMO.


There is, in reality, no chance the American public vote a woman of colour into the Oval Office.

Thing is, they're too stupid to work out she'll end up there as soon as Joe gets in and steps aside.
Agree to a degree. But if they played it right she could win. Gives the voters 2 distinct differences. If she aint gonna win cos of her skin, put in a male at her age

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Re: US

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm

I read somewhere that some bloke has correctly predicted every President in the past x years and says Trump again.
Also, someone else who is credentialed, said CA and/or NY could turn red this year :shock:
I cant find the articles t but it just shows how messed up it all is

I'm be going to a meeting this afternoon where it will be discussed in depth.
The group has proven to be correct on every prediction this year
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Re: US

Postby RB » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:36 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I'll say it again:

The Electoral College system was instituted to stop California and New York always picking the President


The popular vote is meaningless.


Well, yes, sort of.

However you could currently win the 270 EC votes needed to become president by winning only the most 11 populous states!

What currently prevents that from happening is the fact that some of those 11 are solidly red, and some are solidly blue, and a few are swing states - rather than any intrinsic characteristic of the EC itself.
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Re: US

Postby daysofourlives » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:28 pm

Trump isnt losing.
Everyone that voted for him in 2016 will do so again.
Not everyone that voted for Hilary will vote for Joe.
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Re: US

Postby Apachebulldog » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:02 pm

The Polls the Polls all indicate Biden is leading,

Something does not add up.

All the vision i watch on the You Tube show thousands at Trump rallies Black Voices for Trump Latinos for Trump Women for Trump etc etc

Daily flag wavers all for Trump'


I watched Bidens effort at Las Vegas hardly any one attended there were more people in the Mariachi band where are all the hardcore Democrat supporters ????

It seems lots of Democrat voters have changed camps.

Gonna be very interesting.

Still no one has convinced me that Trump is a racist.

Some great statements from Afro Americans in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ktJQi9xWqk
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Re: US

Postby Apachebulldog » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Big contrast re support for Biden versus Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHGUXA_M_Y
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