Election rort?

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Re: Election rort?

Postby noone » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:19 pm

Rushby Hinds wrote:NO I WONT DO IT But...

whats to stop me going to every booth in my electorate

"have u voted before today" "No"

"whats your name and address" Give them one of my mates (or a neigbour, doesn't matter) names and addresses.


At the end of the day my mate would be down as voting XX times

He could sign a stat dec to say that he had only signed once


They couldn't not count the votes as no one knows who the votes went to!


because all involved would be in jail for quite a long time. Sure you can go to each booth throughout the day, vote at each one and get quite a few votes.

problem a: if the election result is less than the number if irregular/duplicate votes as worked out once the roll is reconciled. The election would end up in the court of disputed returns. If they worked out who was doing it or atleast for which party (ie see b), which ever party they were supporting would be destroyed at the by-election.

problem b: all it takes is for one traveling polling official, party person (I myself have spent the last few elections driving between booths making sure everything is all a ok, and volunteers often move between booths during the day), media person following a candidate or whoever to notice the same group twice to raise the alert. Thats ignoring other possibilities that the federal police might use such as any cctv cameras anywhere, or even observing traffic spotting the same car from traffic cameras driving to each booth.

end result, best possible scenario is that it causes a bi-election, which will likely go the way that the rorters didn't want it to go.

most likely result, sharing a cell with Biff for a few years (and the elected representative drafts a law to move your bunk beds closer together..).
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Re: Election rort?

Postby Hondo » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:18 pm

Rushby Hinds wrote:He could sign a stat dec to say that he had only signed once


A lie is still a lie even if its in a Stat Dec. A Stat Dec doesn't magically make it true :D

In fact, telling a porky in Stat Dec is even worse because the penalties under the Oaths Act (or whatever its called) include fines or jail time IIRC

That's if you are found out which is not that unlikely given that you or him have intelligently left a written record of your scheme (ie, his name crossed off 20 books).
In between signatures .....
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Re: Election rort?

Postby Rushby Hinds » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:38 pm

Hondo, u missed the point a little, i could claim to be my next door neighbour, and not tell him



And in breaking news:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22898577-29277,00.html
He's still my hero even if he is a little bit crap.
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Re: Election rort?

Postby best on hill » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:55 am

Leaping Lindner wrote:Bloody unions. What have they ever done for workers?


how about better wages and conditions against mongral employers that have the morals of a cockroach.
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Re: Election rort?

Postby Psyber » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:39 am

best on hill wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:Bloody unions. What have they ever done for workers?

how about better wages and conditions against mongral employers that have the morals of a cockroach.

And how about the Union office staff who have from time to time picketted their mongrel employers with the morals of a cockroach about their inadequate wages and conditions...

Unions are big business now and have the morals of Telstra. They are about money and power, not about justice and fairness any more.
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Re: Election rort?

Postby best on hill » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:27 pm

Psyber wrote:
best on hill wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:Bloody unions. What have they ever done for workers?

how about better wages and conditions against mongral employers that have the morals of a cockroach.

And how about the Union office staff who have from time to time picketted their mongrel employers with the morals of a cockroach about their inadequate wages and conditions...

Unions are big business now and have the morals of Telstra. They are about money and power, not about justice and fairness any more.


unions are try to make up whwt the howard years took away!!!!!!
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Re: Election rort?

Postby smac » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:31 pm

Union subscriptions?
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Re: Election rort?

Postby Psyber » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:51 pm

best on hill wrote:
Psyber wrote:
best on hill wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:Bloody unions. What have they ever done for workers?

how about better wages and conditions against mongral employers that have the morals of a cockroach.

And how about the Union office staff who have from time to time picketted their mongrel employers with the morals of a cockroach about their inadequate wages and conditions...

Unions are big business now and have the morals of Telstra. They are about money and power, not about justice and fairness any more.

unions are try to make up whwt the howard years took away!!!!!!

That sort of staff protest was occurring when Paul Keating was PM. And even if it hadn't been would that have justified becoming a "mongrel employer" too???

Unions used to represent the workers. My father was a staunch unionist, and I joined unions when I was working part-time as a Uni student, but they and the Labor Party have changed - they are not the "Light on the Hill" of the 1930s and 1940s, they are all about money and power.

Even back in Don Dunstan's time as Premier of SA it was happening. When Metro Meat almost went broke Donnie was faced with an unemployment problem, and the Meat Workers' Union was faced with extinction in SA, and a dodgy deal was struck. It was dressed up as saving the workers' jobs, but as a result Donnie wasn't embarrassed, the union was saved and continued to support him, and diseased animals were no longer killed and burned on the farm for safety's sake, but trucked across the state to be processed in a separate wing of the abbatoir for the pet food market.

What the workers got was 649 cases of Brucellosis in the first year, which the government and union hushed up until a doctor stuck his neck out and published an article about it in the Australia Medical Journal, at the risk of losing his public service job an a major SA hospital. Nobody knows how many truckies and other people along the route were exposed to the risk as well.

It is some time ago now, but from memory I think it was only two workers who died, and 8 who were left permanently brain damaged.
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