Parallel Universe

[westcoastpanther]

Ok, so if Abbott had of talked the Independants into siding with him, would the people have elected the Coalition into Govt?

I can't see how the people could have elected anyone, when after the votes were counted we didn't have a Government.....

So what do you propose should've happened WCP? We all line up and tick a box again? What if it's the same result? We do it again?

Not having a go, just genuinely interested.

No, I'm happy with how they got into Govt, it just irks me (to put it politely) when she (and others) says she was elected by the people. Hondo's response to my next question confirms to me at least, that 'technically' she may have been, but in reality not so.

[Jimmy_041]

Poisoned chalice though

Old saying Be careful what you wish for....

[Hondo]

Hondo's response to my next question confirms to me at least, that 'technically' she may have been, but in reality not so.

That wasn't my intention. I should have added, "but he didn't win the support of the independents so he couldn't form a government". Why was that? It was because the independents that Australia voted for were more aligned to Labor policies than Liberal ones and we handed the balance of power in the Senate to the Greens. Abbott simply couldn't convince the independents in the Lower House that he could form a stable Liberal Government under those circumstances.

So for your hypothetical to have become a reality the vote would have had to happen differently to how it did (eg, some right wing party was handed the balance of power in the senate). So that says what we now have reflects the way the majority (albiet a small majority) voted on the day.

I emphasise again, on preferences the majority of voters voted Labor.

[Psyber]

I re-ran it as some of my views have changed over the last 18 months.
Looking at the various scores posted here there is not a right winger among us - assuming Jimmy's second is the fake.
We seem to be all lefties by the values of this site which I think is UK based - you would expect that if it were from the US.

[Q.]

Ok, so if Abbott had of talked the Independants into siding with him, would the people have elected the Coalition into Govt?

I can't see how the people could have elected anyone, when after the votes were counted we didn't have a Government.....

So what do you propose should've happened WCP? We all line up and tick a box again? What if it's the same result? We do it again?

Not having a go, just genuinely interested.

No, I'm happy with how they got into Govt, it just irks me (to put it politely) when she (and others) says she was elected by the people. Hondo's response to my next question confirms to me at least, that 'technically' she may have been, but in reality not so.

The reality is that citizens elect members of parliament and those members then decide who is PM. As it's always been.

[Booney]

I "dress" to the left.

[Gozu]

The Herald Sun‘s cartoonist thinks a trite, asinine and childish observation a year old is suddenly newsworthy if you draw a picture of the recent horse race under it:

Remember, readers? Remember how the parliament is RULED by the three independents and the one Green, outvoting the other 146 members of parliament with their special super seats? It’s undemocratic! It’s a cheat! A swindle! You’ve been robbed of your votes! You didn’t choose your Government, it was appointed by the people we’re constantly telling you to hate!

Don’t let it not being true bother you. It just feels right.

Hell, it’s so obvious Knight doesn’t even need the pig to explain the joke to you this time.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... necessary/

[Wedgie]

Is this good or bad? I'm with Friedman.

[Jimmy_041]

Is this good or bad? I'm with Friedman.

You're just weird Wedgie

[southee]

Answered as honest as I can.

[The Sleeping Giant]

[Jimmy_041]

We're all frickin lefties

[Q.]

We're all frickin lefties

Maybe we all just like a spot of abstract art.

[The Sleeping Giant]

I strongly disagree.

[dedja]

damn, didn't go hard enough on the homo questions ...

[dedja]

here's the international chart ... sure Kevin, we believe you

[Psyber]

We're all frickin lefties

It is interesting to look back at the debates here in which people are referred to as lefties and others as right wing extremists, when according to this nearly all of us are coming out fairly left of true centre by the standards of this International site - UK based. We are obviously all just part of a divided left world faction fighting among ourselves..

I seem to be slightly left of our Greens on the chart.
I suspect there is a difference of which issues I am "Left" about compared with them.
The chart is an average position, and we are likely to be all different over which issues in life we have "left" or "right" attitudes about.

[Bat Pad]

We're all frickin lefties

It is interesting to look back at the debates here in which people are referred to as lefties and others as right wing extremists, when according to this nearly all of us are coming out fairly left of true centre by the standards of this International site - UK based.
We are obviously all just part of a divided left world faction fighting among ourselves..

I seem to be slightly left of our Greens on the chart.
I suspect there is a difference of which issues I am "Left" about compared with them.
The chart is an average position, and we are likely to be all different over which issues in life we have "left" or "right" attitudes about.

Hardly surprising, both major political parties are left leaning by world standards.

Not as far left as some European countries, but further left than any major political party in North America.

Always gives me a chuckle when I hear a Greens supporter praising Barrack Obama, considering he is further to the right than Tony Abbott.

[Q.]

[Q.]

We're all frickin lefties

So what you're saying is we've all got a little bit of anarchist about us? Chomsky seems to think that's a good thing