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[Magellan]

Any chance Democrats didn't come out to vote was because Clinton was crap?
I'm no Trump fan, but I'm laughing at all of the people who don't want him as President and are blaming everything and anything EXCEPT Clinton was crap and people are sick of the crap these professional blood suckers bring to the table
As for Clinton and her imaginary glass ceiling: meet Mrs Thatcher and Merkel

Couldn't bring yourself to say Gillard?

Or mention Theresa May - but then the latter two really got it by default and haven't stood the test of time and repeated elections...

Fair enough, May hasn't been tested in the electorate, but Gillard won power fair and square, and not by default. I think the context of Jimmy's point was limited to women who have wielded power, irrespective of the length of their term(s).

[bulldogproud]

I'm thinking Trump will be fine as a President.. sometimes i think the media just love to beat up on people and paint a negative picture - i thought he would be a disaster at first, especially when you hear/see snippets of comments that the media chooses to play, but i sat and watched the debates in full yesterday and it's not that i like Trump so much as Hilary put me off.. reckon she's a fair snake in the grass..

Zartan, by chance would you happen to be a white anglo-saxon/European male, aged over 40, and not of a minority religion? In the debates, Trump did enough to infuriate anyone who belonged to any other group.

We have to be quick not to condemn US citizens too quickly though. Trump was voted for by less than 19% of the US population. Over 81% of Americans did not vote for him. This is why compulsory voting really needs to occur in all societies.
Cheers

A sweeping generalization, labeling someone that slightly disagreed with you with an insult, without checking the facts. I'm sure Zartan can speak for himself, but as someone who isn't as you labelled him & does plenty for his community, you should rightly be called out.

Sadly, this statement has been taken totally out of context. In no way was my statement meant to be an insult. I would never do that, and those who know me would know that. All I was saying was that Trump made statements in the debate that were insulting to everyone who did not fit the description I gave. He insulted anyone who was not from a white Anglo-Saxon or European background, he insulted females, he insulted young people, he insulted those who belong to minority religions, particularly Muslims. This was my point.

I do not know Zartan and meant no disrespect to him at all. Rather, what I was commenting on was the people whom Trump had insulted.
I, myself, am a white Anglo-Saxon male, over 40 and not of a minority religion. I fit the exact bill of the person who Trump did not insult. Thus, if you think I was insulting Zartan, you also believe I was insulting myself.

As a person who does fit all the categories which Trump was not insulting, it would be so easy to think that Trump's comments were not divisive, bigoted or dangerous. However, we need to put ourselves in the places of those from other backgrounds and not just think the world revolves around ourselves and that others are less 'human' than we are. We all bleed red blood.

To Zartan, if insult was taken, please accept my apology but please know that none at all was meant.
For others who took insult, please look again at the comments and realise the context.
Cheers

[The Bedge]

Don't worry mate, i wasn't insulted in anyway!

[bulldogproud]

Any chance Democrats didn't come out to vote was because Clinton was crap?
I'm no Trump fan, but I'm laughing at all of the people who don't want him as President and are blaming everything and anything EXCEPT Clinton was crap and people are sick of the crap these professional blood suckers bring to the table
As for Clinton and her imaginary glass ceiling: meet Mrs Thatcher and Merkel

True, there may have been less voting for Clinton because she was 'crap'. I, personally, was a 'Burn for Bernie' man. However, for her to be 12% ahead in the polls would indicate that there were a number who did not see her as 'crap', or at least saw her as the less 'crappier' of the two.
Just think, though, what a consistent lead of 12% in the polls, would do to your mindset. Would it perhaps make you more complacent, lulled into a false sense of security that you had the election won and did not need to push as hard as you otherwise might have? Remember, this was the lowest turnout in 20 years, despite the fact that many pundits expected it to be the largest turnout of voters in history.
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

:lol: Don't worry mate, i wasn't insulted in anyway!

Not a prob, but how dare a person attack 'white Anglo-Saxon males aged over 40 who do not belong to a minority religion????? I am sooooooooooo offended at that insult I made to myself

[Jimmy_041]

Any chance Democrats didn't come out to vote was because Clinton was crap?
I'm no Trump fan, but I'm laughing at all of the people who don't want him as President and are blaming everything and anything EXCEPT Clinton was crap and people are sick of the crap these professional blood suckers bring to the table
As for Clinton and her imaginary glass ceiling: meet Mrs Thatcher and Merkel

True, there may have been less voting for Clinton because she was 'crap'. I, personally, was a 'Burn for Bernie' man. However, for her to be 12% ahead in the polls would indicate that there were a number who did not see her as 'crap', or at least saw her as the less 'crappier' of the two.
Just think, though, what a consistent lead of 12% in the polls, would do to your mindset. Would it perhaps make you more complacent, lulled into a false sense of security that you had the election won and did not need to push as hard as you otherwise might have? Remember, this was the lowest turnout in 20 years, despite the fact that many pundits expected it to be the largest turnout of voters in history.
Cheers

I'm not disagreeing it may have happened
What the 12% shows is the polls are crap as well
I wouldn't be surprised if they were concentrated in California and NY
Don't forget the polls got the UK election and BREXIT wrong as well
I reckon plenty of people just hang up on polling even though they know what they're going to do
I just think the Democrats got everything they deserved

[bulldogproud]

Any chance Democrats didn't come out to vote was because Clinton was crap?
I'm no Trump fan, but I'm laughing at all of the people who don't want him as President and are blaming everything and anything EXCEPT Clinton was crap and people are sick of the crap these professional blood suckers bring to the table
As for Clinton and her imaginary glass ceiling: meet Mrs Thatcher and Merkel

True, there may have been less voting for Clinton because she was 'crap'. I, personally, was a 'Burn for Bernie' man. However, for her to be 12% ahead in the polls would indicate that there were a number who did not see her as 'crap', or at least saw her as the less 'crappier' of the two.
Just think, though, what a consistent lead of 12% in the polls, would do to your mindset. Would it perhaps make you more complacent, lulled into a false sense of security that you had the election won and did not need to push as hard as you otherwise might have? Remember, this was the lowest turnout in 20 years, despite the fact that many pundits expected it to be the largest turnout of voters in history.
Cheers

I'm not disagreeing it may have happened
What the 12% shows is the polls are crap as well
I wouldn't be surprised if they were concentrated in California and NY
Don't forget the polls got the UK election and BREXIT wrong as well
I reckon plenty of people just hang up on polling even though they know what they're going to do
I just think the Democrats got everything they deserved

... and what is it that the UK election, Brexit and the US election all have in common? Non-compulsory voting. In all situations, poll results in the lead-up could well have provided complacency to the party (or cause) with the clear lead. Solution: Either bring in compulsory voting (which, as Psyber rightly pointed out, is really only compulsory attendance) or get rid of polling. The former is easier the easier to implement of the two.
Cheers

[bennymacca]

Any chance Democrats didn't come out to vote was because Clinton was crap?
I'm no Trump fan, but I'm laughing at all of the people who don't want him as President and are blaming everything and anything EXCEPT Clinton was crap and people are sick of the crap these professional blood suckers bring to the table
As for Clinton and her imaginary glass ceiling: meet Mrs Thatcher and Merkel

True, there may have been less voting for Clinton because she was 'crap'. I, personally, was a 'Burn for Bernie' man. However, for her to be 12% ahead in the polls would indicate that there were a number who did not see her as 'crap', or at least saw her as the less 'crappier' of the two.
Just think, though, what a consistent lead of 12% in the polls, would do to your mindset. Would it perhaps make you more complacent, lulled into a false sense of security that you had the election won and did not need to push as hard as you otherwise might have? Remember, this was the lowest turnout in 20 years, despite the fact that many pundits expected it to be the largest turnout of voters in history.
Cheers

I'm not disagreeing it may have happened
What the 12% shows is the polls are crap as well
I wouldn't be surprised if they were concentrated in California and NY
Don't forget the polls got the UK election and BREXIT wrong as well
I reckon plenty of people just hang up on polling even though they know what they're going to do
I just think the Democrats got everything they deserved

was listening to a podcast (before the election) which had a political scientist on there, explaining the polls etc.

Basically he was saying the polls still rely on modelling voter turnout, which is notoriously hard to do.

What trump did was mobilise his supporter base much, much better than the democrats did.

[therisingblues]

"What trump did was mobilise his supporter base much, much better than the democrats did."

I think you might be onto something there Benny.
Was that alluded to in the article? It's a succinct way to put it.
Appeal to a disaffected group; rile them, outrage them, feed the anger they feel, in other words just punch their buttons as hard and as often as you can. It doesn't matter how much of a screw up you actually are, you need only 1/4 of the population who is eligible to vote to win an election where rarely half the voting population actually turns up. In this case he's tapped into a mass of people unhappy with the status quo, and he has been yelling out in public the stuff they dare only whisper in the front bar.
Now that he has reached his goal, I think he is fast learning that what's whispered in front bars doesn't necessarily equate to good policy. The wall will become a fence I have heard, also, he has stopped pushing the Muslim angle. By the time the men behind the scenes have finished with him, he'll be no worse than the other guy the Republicans were thinking about.

[the milky bar kid]

:lol: Don't worry mate, i wasn't insulted in anyway!

Not a prob, but how dare a person attack 'white Anglo-Saxon males aged over 40 who do not belong to a minority religion????? I am sooooooooooo offended at that insult I made to myself

Apologies Bulldogproud,

I read into something that wasn't there. Sadly these days when you hear the term 'white anglo saxon male' it is generally because you are pigeon holed into the category of the racist/misogynist white male, etc. This wasn't your intention.

[bulldogproud]

:lol: Don't worry mate, i wasn't insulted in anyway!

Not a prob, but how dare a person attack 'white Anglo-Saxon males aged over 40 who do not belong to a minority religion????? I am sooooooooooo offended at that insult I made to myself

Apologies Bulldogproud,

I read into something that wasn't there. Sadly these days when you hear the term 'white anglo saxon male' it is generally because you are pigeon holed into the category of the racist/misogynist white male, etc. This wasn't your intention.

Not a prob at all, MBK. Can certainly understand why you read into it what you did at first.
Just also gives us an insight into what it must feel like to be a good Muslim (yes, there are a few... in fact many) and to read any media coverage of people of their faith.

[Corona Man]

I am off to the US on Saturday for 2 weeks. An interesting time to be Stateside I think!

[Bombers4EVA]

So can someone tell me why many think Hillary and Bill are so evil? I don't follow the US election and just looking for clarity.

[Magellan]

So can someone tell me why many think Hillary and Bill are so evil? I don't follow the US election and just looking for clarity.

Career politicians who have collaborated in the last 25 years or so to dominate their side of politics and wield power in the White House for furthering their own interests. Think of something like Mr and Mrs Underwood in "House of Cards".* I think the Yanks like to refer to them and the organization that they've created around themselves as "Clinton Inc".

*Not necessarily my view.

[Dogwatcher]

Trump might be all piss and wind....

[Bombers4EVA]

So can someone tell me why many think Hillary and Bill are so evil? I don't follow the US election and just looking for clarity.

Career politicians who have collaborated in the last 25 years or so to dominate their side of politics and wield power in the White House for furthering their own interests. Think of something like Mr and Mrs Underwood in "House of Cards".* I think the Yanks like to refer to them and the organization that they've created around themselves as "Clinton Inc".

*Not necessarily my view.

Yeah ok. But what acts of evil have they done?

[Jimmy_041]

So can someone tell me why many think Hillary and Bill are so evil? I don't follow the US election and just looking for clarity.

Career politicians who have collaborated in the last 25 years or so to dominate their side of politics and wield power in the White House for furthering their own interests. Think of something like Mr and Mrs Underwood in "House of Cards".* I think the Yanks like to refer to them and the organization that they've created around themselves as "Clinton Inc".

*Not necessarily my view.

Yeah ok. But what acts of evil have they done?

There are all sorts of commentary on them and their "charity"
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/07/clintons-corruptocrats/
Who knows whats true or not
But they have got filthy rich on the public teat
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2043776/what-is-hillary-clinton-net-worth/

A bit like this family of "socialists". Nothing like a socialist with his face deep in the public trough



Mind you, we have our own version here

[Magellan]

So can someone tell me why many think Hillary and Bill are so evil? I don't follow the US election and just looking for clarity.

Career politicians who have collaborated in the last 25 years or so to dominate their side of politics and wield power in the White House for furthering their own interests. Think of something like Mr and Mrs Underwood in "House of Cards".* I think the Yanks like to refer to them and the organization that they've created around themselves as "Clinton Inc".

*Not necessarily my view.

Yeah ok. But what acts of evil have they done?

Dunno. Ask your nearest alt-right devotee, they'll give you a list as long as your arm. I think causing the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake and fire is one of them, and selling poisoned milk to schoolkids.

[Magellan]

Trump might be all piss and wind....

...like the barber's cat?

Except the barber's cat has seen more real hair than Trump has in a lifetime.

[Bombers4EVA]

I still don't understand. They all state that Bill & Hillary are rapists and this and that. But I don't actually know what they mean.