Who will be Prime Minister?

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Who will be Prime Minister

Poll ended at Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:08 pm

Julia Gillard
21
45%
Tony Abbott
26
55%
 
Total votes : 47

Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby ca » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:05 pm

Sojourner wrote:Current rumour doing the rounds is that two of the independants are likely to be going Labor and two with the Coalition leaving it an even split on 75 each.


Wilkie will go with Labor then I think Oakeshott and Windsor will agree between each other to go with Labor giving them the numbers leaving Katter on the outer. I just can't see how either side could come to any kind of agreement with Katter.

It will be interesting to see how the Labor / Greens deal plays out. If the relationship is considered too strong I can a lot of Greens voters going back to Labor by the next election. In alot of ways this current arrangement might hurt the Greens long term as they might lose the protest vote? Views?
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Wedgie » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:03 pm

The odds continue to fluctuate.
Libs out to $1.50
Labs $2.50
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Psyber » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:34 pm

Trader wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:This circus is far from over. Bob Katter has come out in support of raising tariffs basically dismantling any trade agreement the country have put together in the past decade or so. Gillard has refused to support this - it's unlikely even Abbott would - and also this could mean the other two independents break away from Katter.
What a **** idiot. Welcome to 40 years ago.

I can see there would be enormous difficulties reversing the lowering of our tariffs over the years, and I expect any government that tried it would be thrown out as soon as prices rose as a result.
After all, most voters don't really think past the immediate future any more than most politicians do.
Yet, I was never convinced lowering them so much and slowly killing off manufacturing capacity in Australia was a good idea, and was amazed an ALP government would do it..
I never believed, as Bob Hawke seemed to say he did, that all those process workers losing their jobs as a result could be retrained to be part of the "clever country" and finish up working in IT.
Fortunately, we have had a mining boom to provide jobs.

Now, we are in the early stages of a similar process of killing off food production in Australia to suit the supermarkets who will make bigger profits by importing cheaply and selling to the public at prices slightly lower than those we are used to now, just to make it look like it was a good idea, until they can safely jack them up again in small increments due to the lack of alternatives.

I wonder what history will say when we are importing all manufacturing goods, and dependent on imported food , and India has the "clever country" franchise sewn up.
Perhaps, then, we will mine Uranium, because mining is all that is left - if, of course, the miners haven't all gone to India too as their Uranium and Thorium resources are a match for ours.
[By then, I expect our coal will be unwanted.]
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby stan » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:12 pm

Sojourner wrote:Current rumour doing the rounds is that two of the independants are likely to be going Labor and two with the Coalition leaving it an even split on 75 each.


And that would mean we need to go back to the polls ehh? Nice could of started to do that at the end of the first week!
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby redandblack » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:54 pm

Breaking news: Tony Abbott's costings are out by between 7 and 11 billion dollars.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby GWW » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:56 pm

redandblack wrote:Breaking news: Tony Abbott's costings are out by between 7 and 11 billion dollars.


Did Barnaby Joyce do the adding up :o
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Gozu » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:48 am

GWW wrote:
redandblack wrote:Breaking news: Tony Abbott's costings are out by between 7 and 11 billion dollars.


Did Barnaby Joyce do the adding up :o


Hockeynomics.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Leaping Lindner » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:28 am

Gozu wrote:
GWW wrote:
redandblack wrote:Breaking news: Tony Abbott's costings are out by between 7 and 11 billion dollars.


Did Barnaby Joyce do the adding up :o


Hockeynomics.


What part of "economic responsibilty" we heard so much about during the campaign is covered by this blackhole? :?
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby redandblack » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:14 am

Act 1, Scene 1:

We started the Charter of Budget Honesty.

Act 1, Scene 2:

We won't be putting our figures in to Treasury.

Act 1, Scene 3:

Oh, all right, we'll get Uncle Charles' accountants to tick our costings off.

Act 2, Scene 1:

Thanks Uncle Charles accountants, our figures are correct, so there.

Act 2, Scene 2:

Election over, it's a draw, both parties put in your costings.

Act 2, Scene 3:

No we won't.

"What have you got to hide?"

Oh, OK, if we absolutely have to.

Act 3, Scene 1:

LNP costings found to be done on the back of an envelope.

Figures show Australian economy performing strongly.

Act 3, Scene 2:

We stand by our figures (that slogan should do it, shouldn't it?) and the Labor Party can't be trusted with our economy.

Act 3, Scene 3:

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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby fish » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:26 am

Is that a tragedy or a comedy R&B?
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Magpiespower » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:45 am

fish wrote:Is that a tragedy or a comedy R&B?


Great comedy is tragedy.

Like this whole schemozzle.

:lol:
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:42 am

Am I reading the treasurys release correctly?
In their opinion making a heap of variable assumptions the Labor government will have the economy $106 million dollars better off and the Liberal government would have the economy between $860 million and $4.5 billion better off?
And this from an organisation that has been accused of favouring Labor because they leaked private Liberal party info previously?
Hmmmmmm.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby redandblack » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:28 am

No, the correct reading of this is that one party has either deliberately lied about its costings or is totally incompetent, or both, whatever 'spin' might be put on it.

I looked at The Australian's website to read their take on it, but had to search way down the page to find a mention :roll:
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:40 am

redandblack wrote:No, the correct reading of this is that one party has either deliberately lied about its costings or is totally incompetent, or both, whatever 'spin' might be put on it.

I looked at The Australian's website to read their take on it, but had to search way down the page to find a mention :roll:

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They're all the same. Labor didn't deliver on their last elections predictions. Whilst not being as fanatical and one eyed as some on here Ill be happy with the party that delivers a better economy (and Ill assume sine you didn't point out where the figures I provided are wrong that they must be right) and not back a plan that will slow down my Internet thanks very much. If a government department advises an economy will be better off under a party they've already leaked documents of then it's a no brainer for reasonable people that can look at things objectively. :)
Just a pity it's mad Abbott that's doing it as if it was Kevin Rudd I'd be much happier.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Q. » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:47 am

Wedgie, we already have a robust economy and things will only get better. The party that wins government will inherit this growth.


We’re approaching boom levels of growth: ABS

The Australian economy is approaching boom-like levels of growth, making a mockery of all those critics on the conservative side of politics and economics who argued that the government debt and higher budget deficit taken on last year to soften the blow from the GFC, would leave the country enfeebled.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby fish » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:50 am

Magpiespower wrote:
fish wrote:Is that a tragedy or a comedy R&B?


Great comedy is tragedy.

Like this whole schemozzle.

:lol:

IT'S A FARCE!!
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Trader » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:53 am

Quichey, without getting into a debate too much, just cause the next few years look ok doesn't mean we should ignore who's at the helm. Your actions now often impact the future 5-10 years down the track.
A large reason (not the only one) for our performance through the GFC was thanks to the good policy of the previous government, and yes a lot of the good work through the howard years was based on the economic reforms from the previous labor stint.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:01 pm

Lol@Quichey

I'm afraid that won't cut it with me mate, if I was given the option of two super plans that were going to grow no matter what Id still prefer the super that makes me richer than the other especially if the poorer performing super fund would slow down my Internet, once again a no brainer! ;)
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby mick » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:10 pm

Trader wrote:Quichey, without getting into a debate too much, just cause the next few years look ok doesn't mean we should ignore who's at the helm. Your actions now often impact the future 5-10 years down the track.
A large reason (not the only one) for our performance through the GFC was thanks to the good policy of the previous government, and yes a lot of the good work through the howard years was based on the economic reforms from the previous labor stint.


No that's not right, it was all due to Mr Swan and Mr Rudd, hell they'd been in office for at least 18 months, those other bastards were in for 11 years what possible influence could they have had? ;) Nah all Waynes's and Kev's doing.
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Re: Who will be Prime Minister?

Postby redandblack » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:14 pm

Wedgie wrote:Lol@Quichey

I'm afraid that won't cut it with me mate, if I was given the option of two super plans that were going to grow no matter what Id still prefer the super that makes me richer than the other especially if the poorer performing super fund would slow down my Internet, once again a no brainer! ;)


It's great that you're 'not as one-eyed as some of us on here', mate, it's just that you always argue for the same side ;)
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