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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:26 pm
by Psyber
Meanwhile while the co-payment debate continues this reference popped up on a Medical forum from a GP suggesting don't trust either side to act in the interest of health care and the financially struggling patient:

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/648

Destroying Medicare
Wednesday, September 11, 1991 - 10:00

By Peter Boyle

MELBOURNE — Labor "left" Deputy Prime Minister Brian Howe's image minder probably thought it wasn't very good to have a picket of community health workers, their patients and a few leftists outside his electorate office the day after the federal budget was announced. So we were invited in to speak to the man himself about his cuts to Medicare.

The press was excluded from this "unique opportunity to speak to the community so soon after the budget was released", as Howe put it. He had a different story to tell them.

He wanted to explain to us concerned members of the community that the cut in the Medicare rebate by $3.50 per consultation was really part of a grand plan to expand community health services and defeat the nasty, greedy, overservicing private general practitioners who, he said, were rorting and wrecking the Medicare system. The cut to the rebate was an attempt to save Medicare, he claimed.

If this was his plan, why didn't he hit the rorters and increase funding for community health? That would be too simple, he said. We can't take on the Australian Medical Association head on, and there isn't the money to throw around, so instead he decided to whack on the $3.50 (rising to $5) co-payment.

Since there was a huge oversupply of GPs in the major cities, he said, many will be pressured to absorb the cut in rebate and not pass it on to bulkbilled patients. The cuts were aimed at curtailing overservicing by some GPs.

But even as Howe concluded his monologue with a thick-lipped smile to an unconvinced and infuriated audience, his flickering eyes and folding hands betrayed him.

The cut in rebate aims to shift $163.9 million of health-care costs onto poorer non-pensioner patients this year, followed by a further $306.1 million next year. Medicare architect Dr John Deeble says the budget measures did not shift resources to where they were needed but only transferred some costs to some users.


I remember the suggestion of "...and defeat the nasty, greedy, overservicing private general practitioners who, he said, were rorting and wrecking the Medicare system. "

The government insisted we had too many doctors in Oz, and claimed the AMA's reply that most doctors were flat out dealing with patient demand was a lie, despite demonstrable long waiting times for appointments.

Later, after the funding cuts for medical education we developed an undeniable doctor shortage and started encouraging foreign born graduates to stay here rather than return home to serve their own countries needs.

Now, I'm benefiting from the aftermath of that time - the current shortage of people in my field...

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:54 pm
by Jimmy_041
FIGHT FIGHT .........

Leave it with me bp2 I'm pretty busy at the moment so cant answer straight away. I'm off to a dinner so cant review and respond tonight
Hey, at least someone is prepared to put up some basis to their arguement unlike most on here who just blindly barrack the popular view

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:12 pm
by bennymacca

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:22 pm
by dedja
:lol:

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:50 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl
Jimmy_041 wrote:FIGHT FIGHT .........

Leave it with me bp2 I'm pretty busy at the moment so cant answer straight away. I'm off to a dinner so cant review and respond tonight
Hey, at least someone is prepared to put up some basis to their arguement unlike most on here who just blindly barrack the popular view


Theres debate, theres argument, and then theres just pain being ignorant in the face of the facts.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:35 pm
by bulldogproud2
Jimmy_041 wrote:FIGHT FIGHT .........

Leave it with me bp2 I'm pretty busy at the moment so cant answer straight away. I'm off to a dinner so cant review and respond tonight
Hey, at least someone is prepared to put up some basis to their arguement unlike most on here who just blindly barrack the popular view


Thanks for that, Jimmy. Although we come from opposite ends of the political spectrum and probably get each other riled up at times, I do have utmost respect for you.
Cheers

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:42 pm
by bulldogproud2
bennymacca wrote:http://dai.ly/x1y1ez7


Oh God, I did not realise he was a fellow Pom! Suddenly inviting Tony to Barmy Army functions and voting Liberal... NOT!! :?
I have too much in common with him: Pom, Catholic, Jesuit, time in the seminary - Oh God, I suddenly hate myself!! lol

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:59 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl
bulldogproud2 wrote:
bennymacca wrote:http://dai.ly/x1y1ez7


Oh God, I did not realise he was a fellow Pom! Suddenly inviting Tony to Barmy Army functions and voting Liberal... NOT!! :?
I have too much in common with him: Pom, Catholic, Jesuit, time in the seminary - Oh God, I suddenly hate myself!! lol


:lol: I have alot in common with Barnaby Joyce - we are both farmers

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:01 pm
by bulldogproud2
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:
bulldogproud2 wrote:
bennymacca wrote:http://dai.ly/x1y1ez7


Oh God, I did not realise he was a fellow Pom! Suddenly inviting Tony to Barmy Army functions and voting Liberal... NOT!! :?
I have too much in common with him: Pom, Catholic, Jesuit, time in the seminary - Oh God, I suddenly hate myself!! lol


:lol: I have alot in common with Barnaby Joyce - we are both farmers


... a fellow Jesuit too though lol

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:07 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl
Corey Bernardi doesn't seem 100% behind all Liberal policies. Refreshing to see a politician express their own opinion, albeit in a subtle way.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:55 pm
by Jimmy_041
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:Corey Bernardi doesn't seem 100% behind all Liberal policies. Refreshing to see a politician express their own opinion, albeit in a subtle way.


Any port in a storm Roxy

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:21 am
by Roxy the Rat Girl
I have been a bit critical of Corey Bernardi at times in the past but thought that his honesty in answering questions last night was commendable. I don't agree with his opinions on some matters but it was good to see him put his opinions across without simply regurgitating the party's scripted lines.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:33 am
by shoe boy
Jimmy_041 wrote:FIGHT FIGHT .........

Leave it with me bp2 I'm pretty busy at the moment so cant answer straight away. I'm off to a dinner so cant review and respond tonight
Hey, at least someone is prepared to put up some basis to their arguement unlike most on here who just blindly barrack the popular view


No views required JIMMY your mates do a great job every day they open their mouths. PYNE/ABBOT/BISHOP/HOCKEY/and who can forget the minister for silence because we don't need to know.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:39 am
by mighty_tiger_79
workchoices is slowly being wound up by the liberals, the wheels have been in motion for a while and they are slowly building momentum :evil:

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:16 pm
by Q.
I told you they would slash penalty rates.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:05 pm
by mighty_tiger_79
Q. wrote:I told you they would slash penalty rates.


I was always a believer.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:38 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:workchoices is slowly being wound up by the liberals, the wheels have been in motion for a while and they are slowly building momentum :evil:


Have they said anything specifically or are you just feeling a vibe?

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:16 pm
by mighty_tiger_79
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:workchoices is slowly being wound up by the liberals, the wheels have been in motion for a while and they are slowly building momentum :evil:


Have they said anything specifically or are you just feeling a vibe?


they haven't specifically mentioned it publically, but there is a strong vibe of inevitability

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:50 pm
by tigerpie
Did anyone notice the growth figures today.

Budget emergency my a@#e.

If the government put more time into fair budget policy, than they do with scaremongering tactics and telling anyone who will listen that we are in dire financial strife, Australia would be far better off.

Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:58 pm
by bulldogproud2