Deceiving ??

[dedja]

and he said he didn't know anything about it

Must be true then ...

[JohnnyG]

Surely they can pick out those votes that went in line with the false how to vote cards and then work out what would have happened if the preference had gone to the Liberals.

If there's no change to the final result then move on, but change the rules for next time. Some are talking about a by-election but I don't see that the cost is justified unless there's evidence that the result would have changed (see first paragraph).

How to vote cards should be clear as to which party produced them and I don't think the tactic is in the spirit of democracy. Whether it's as big a deal in this case as is being made out I'm not sure. I assume there was a Family First rep handing out their own how to vote cards as well.

In the 4 seats involved, the latest figures show that it is mathematically impossible for the result to have been affected in any of those 4 seats (even if 100% of FFP preferences are allocated to the Libs):
as at 7pm Wed night:
______________________________Seat Margin________FFP Votes

_________________Hartley________997_______________503
_________________Light_________1857_______________756
_________________Mawson______1502_______________1326
- Morialta irrelevant Libs won seat anyway

As more votes are counted, the gap is increased.


As to your other point, the leaflets did show that they were authorised by the Labour Party.
Obviously, what i have said does not mean that the practice is unethical, however, i would say that the righteous indignation spouted by the FFP & the Libs etc about is is laughable and hypocritical to say the least given the unethical , misleading, and downright lies that have been part of most elections at least since the 1960s that i have seen. (eg just a few of the top of my head - Tampa, WMD, the Communist yellow hordes of Asia coming to invade us, Libs masquerading as Greens re how to vote cards, Brokenshire Lib doing the same etc etc etc....., and of course if we talk about misleading - the name of the Family First Party itself is most misleading.

[Squawk]

As to your other point, the leaflets did show that they were authorised by the Labour Party. Obviously, what i have said does not mean that the practice is unethical, however, i would say that the righteous indignation spouted by the FFP & the Libs etc about is is laughable and hypocritical to say the least given the unethical , misleading, and downright lies that have been part of most elections at least since the 1960s that i have seen. (eg just a few of the top of my head - Tampa, WMD, the Communist yellow hordes of Asia coming to invade us, Libs masquerading as Greens re how to vote cards, Brokenshire Lib doing the same etc etc etc....., and of course if we talk about misleading - the name of the Family First Party itself is most misleading.

There's a big difference between public discussion on contentious issues in the lead up to an election, and getting given a misleading document as you're on the cusp of casting your vote when your mind is likely made up already.

[Jimmy_041]

Interesting discussion on ABC891 this morning

It would appear that this is not over and that there is talk that Michael Brown may have breached the law pertaining to this type of thing.

On interesting argument relating to the fact that the FF preferences still would not have got them over the line, was that if a student gets caught cheating, they dont just exclude the cheated part, you are totally disqualified.

I have a feeling this is going to end up in the Courts............

Smart move from Chloe Fox may just prove to be even smarter......

[redden whites]

I thought I heard Robert Brokenshire and the Chief Officer both say he had NOT broken the rules technically on 891 this morning.The exam cheating analogy came from a call-back listener didn't it?

[Jimmy_041]

Not sure about the first one - yes to the second one

Who was the Chief Officer? If that was Rann's Chief of Staff - then yes, but you would expect that. They wouldn't have done it without someone saying yes.

Question (and I'm not sure of the answer) did Rann's Chief of Staff know about it but Rann didn't?

[redden whites]

The Chief Officer of the Electoral Commission was the second person interviewed........Did you actually hear it Jimmy?

[Jimmy_041]

The Chief Officer of the Electoral Commission was the second person interviewed........Did you actually hear it Jimmy?

Missed the start rw and left the car when they were talking with Vicky Chapman

[redandblack]

You were nearly spot on, apart from getting it completely wrong, Jimmy

Just joking, mate

[Jimmy_041]

You were nearly spot on, apart from getting it completely wrong, Jimmy

Just joking, mate

I had my daughter in the car and she was talking to me - you dont tell your daughter to keep quiet so you can listen to the radio.....

They can hold a grudge for hours / days / weeks and it hurts

and Im not wrong. There are several groups looking into it as to whether they have broken the law

Another caller suggested breaches of the Criminal Consolidation Act

[JohnnyG]

Seems to me that the "born to rule" brigade are clutching at straws

[dedja]

Da comrade ...

[Punk Rooster]

Libs did the same thing here (in this electorate anyway) with the Greens at the 2004 election.

wasn't there a massive scandal in the mid-80's (in Victoria), that resulted in a by-election?

[Brucetiki]

Noticed there's a protest about it on the steps of parliament. Of the 20 or so people there, most were Winderlich and Rod Steinert (Democrats candidate for Ramsay). The iront is both did dismally in the election and the cards weren't even used in Ramsay!