Is a section of Liberal Party racist? Does it bother you?

[Bat Pad]

So we can also discount what Tony Abbott says, because he has an agenda against the Labor Party?

How about debating his argument, rather than his supposed motives.

He makes a lot of sense.

Hence why I used the word may. Did I say completely discount it anywhere?

So you would take anything Tony Abbott says against the Labor party as truth then?

What argument has he made? He doesn't even know the difference between a race and a religion.

He claims Howard tapped into the fear started by Pauline Hanson, he didn't bring up any evidence to back that up. And Morrison questioning the costs of the funerals, where is the racism? Wrong perhaps, but not racist.

And Bernardi comments on Halal food

"Their insistence of consuming Halal food means that in many countries (including Australia) most of us are unknowingly eating food slaughtered in the name of Allah. I, for one, don't want to eat meat butchered in the name of an ideology that is mired in sixth century brutality and is an anathema to my own values"

Clearly having a go, rightly or wrongly, against an idealology. Not a race. Are you saying that Islam is not stained by it's brutal and dark age roots the same as Christianity and Judaism?


He has made no argument at all.

[Psyber]

We all have double standards, R&B, and I freely admit to having my inconsistencies.
None of us are completely logical, no matter how well we try to rationalise it, or convince ourselves we are.
Indeed most of all our views are emotionally determined and rationalised later.

Personally, I am driven by a high drive for autonomy and independence and a low acceptance of succor - in the sense of accepting being looked after.
These show up in psychological profiling scales I have done, and make me oppose regulation and authoritarianism instinctively, and take the Devil's Advocate position easily.

The other day an old friend, and former ALP politician, earnestly explained to our social group how it was perfectly appropriate for him have gone to Italy on a parliamentary study grant to learn Italian because of the percentage of Italians in his electorate.
He looked surprised, and said I was behaving like a journalist, when I grinned and said, "You couldn't find a local Italian teacher?"
[But at least he was good-humoured about it.]

[redandblack]

I take it from that off-topic ramble that you agree with my points

[Psyber]

I take it from that off-topic ramble that you agree with my points

Huh! I can't see that connection.
I was, generously I thought, accepting that we both think we are right, and both find it hard to see our own biases, and so should leave it at that.
But if the last word - any last word - makes you feel you have won go for it!

[redandblack]

Bat Pad, nice try about saying 'may'.

As you know,I was referring to your original comment that regarding what Wilkie said, you could take it with a grain of salt

I'd say, yes, that's completely discounting it.

Wouldn't you?

[Bat Pad]

Bat Pad, nice try about saying 'may'.

As you know,I was referring to your original comment that regarding what Wilkie said, you could take it with a grain of salt

I'd say, yes, that's completely discounting it.

Wouldn't you?

No

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_of_salt

[redandblack]

Yes.

Not to be taken literally, which is exactly what you originally meant

Unless you're taking your first meaning, which is to use a little wit in interpreting it. Obviously it clearly wasn't that, given your following comments and I'm still waiting for your witty analysis.

I think you can join Psyber in the convoluted English class he's currently attending:

On the other hand, as you see nothing wrong at all with anything Morrison or Bernardi have said, perhaps just go to the next class of the right-wing of the Liberal Party.

Let me know if you see a moderate anywhere

[Bum Crack]

What a crap thread.

[Bat Pad]

Yes.

Not to be taken literally, which is exactly what you originally meant

Unless you're taking your first meaning, which is to use a little wit in interpreting it. Obviously it clearly wasn't that, given your following comments and I'm still waiting for your witty analysis.

I think you can join Psyber in the convoluted English class he's currently attending:

On the other hand, as you see nothing wrong at all with anything Morrison or Bernardi have said, perhaps just go to the next class of the right-wing of the Liberal Party.

Let me know if you see a moderate anywhere

No, it means to be taken less seriously. Which is what I originally mean't. It's right there in the link I gave you.

I clearly state that both comments may have been wrong, but weren't racist. You are yet to provide an argument to refute that.

You act like being right-wing is an insult, I am happy to say I believe in less government. All that other stuff such as being Christian, anti-abortion, anti-gay is only seen as right-wing ideology by those who dont even know what the terms left and right mean.

[scoob]

What a crap thread.

Hey - dont be like that it!!! It gives R&B a chance to hang sh!t on everyone and everything that does not share his obviously bias but always correct opinion... let him be...

[Bum Crack]

What a crap thread.

Hey - dont be like that it!!! It gives R&B a chance to hang sh!t on everyone and everything that does not share his obviously bias but always correct opinion... let him be...

couldn't have said it better myself.

[redandblack]

I can believe you couldn't have said it better

Thank you both for your thoughtful contribution to the Politics thread.

[scoob]

I can believe you couldn't have said it better

Thank you both for your thoughtful contribution to the Politics thread.

No no, thankyou for accepting people's opinions and appreciating their input into what can be quite an interesting subject.

[redandblack]

I take it from that off-topic ramble that you agree with my points

Huh! I can't see that connection.
I was, generously I thought, accepting that we both think we are right, and both find it hard to see our own biases, and so should leave it at that.
But if the last word - any last word - makes you feel you have won go for it!

I've only just seen your edit, mate.

I can accept that, but I was merely taking issue with you (incorrectly IMO) labelling me as something I'm not. In the right spirit, I'm sure you'd accept that. I'm obviously biased, as are we all, so of course we're both often right and wrong. No problem with that, only the generic labelling.

I didn't realise this was a question of 'winning'. None of us ever exclusively has the last word on a forum like this.

Play on

[Dog_ger]

What party do you vote for next election...?

Toss a coin.

I am a swinging voter but I have no clue at this stage.

No-one impresses me.

But I don't like this Carbon Tax because I think its only another money grab.

Tax, Tax, Tax, Levy, Levy, Levy.

Enough is Enough.

[redandblack]

I can believe you couldn't have said it better

Thank you both for your thoughtful contribution to the Politics thread.

No no, thankyou for accepting people's opinions and appreciating their input into what can be quite an interesting subject.

No problem. I often find your contributions interesting, so I'm honoured that you'd take the time out to hang a bit of personal abuse on me

You're right, though, I do think I'm correct (and biased), although I'd love to know who on here doesn't think they're correct (or biased):?

Most who disagree with me on here give as good as they get

[dedja]

Are you OK R&B ... been a tad belligerent lately?

[redandblack]

Thanks for your concern, mate.

What else do you expect at this stage of pre-season when your brother decides to get married on the first trial game Saturday?

What else can a bloke do?

My apologies to all who have copped the backlash

Scoob
mick
Southee
BatPad (well played, by the way)
etc, etc, etc....

and particularly my mate...

Psyber

[Dirko]

I know a Federal Labor pollie who was a racist in their younger day. Their stance may have changed due to the position they now hold, but it's rare for people to purge all prejudice.....

[Leaping Lindner]

I know a Federal Labor pollie who was a racist in their younger day. Their stance may have changed due to the position they now hold, but it's rare for people to purge all prejudice.....

Both parties have racists in them. Just one is better at hiding it than the other these days.

When speaking former PMs one of the worst racial slurs I ever heard came from Whitlam (after his days as PM). Something about ****ing boat people.